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[andora]

Historically, its more of a negative than a positive in terms of point production.

Your opinion is based more upon hope than anything else.

well shit.. if that's all there is to it i guess i can scrap everything else, i wonder what else i can simply hope for.

 

[Diogenes92]

well shit.. if that's all there is to it i guess i can scrap everything else, i wonder what else i can simply hope for.

Well, Rutherford said that everything needs to go right for the Canucks to have a realistic shot at a playoff spot, so you can hope for that scenario to play out.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

JT's career high hasn't happened yet. Book it.

 

[Diogenes92]

JT's career high hasn't happened yet. Book it.

Career high in F-bombs while skating to the bench?

 

[DS7]

Some are scared JT will wear down like Kesler, others hoping he ages like Bergeron. Probably somewhere in between.

If the cap goes up in the next few years, an 8M top 6 player will be a good commodity. I wanted him gone before Bo, but am willing to see how the next few years play out.

 

[rypper]

Rutherford's comments keep getting sort of twisted.

"The changes that we made, we have a playoff team if everything goes right. Your goalie has to be good, your special teams have to be good, and you have to avoid injuries."

That's true about every playoff team for the most part. It's not like he's made a 'ho-hum well this piece of shit roster I helped slap together, don't think it has a hope in hell of being successful unless the stars align" type comment some have made it out to be.

They're working to get to a point where 1 or 2 injuries won't be catastrophic.

 

[arttk]

Some are scared JT will wear down like Kesler, others hoping he ages like Bergeron. Probably somewhere in between.

If the cap goes up in the next few years, an 8M top 6 player will be a good commodity. I wanted him gone before Bo, but am willing to see how the next few years play out.

Kesler plays a style that doesn’t age well, nevermind the fact his body broke down from playing that way.

Miller up to this point has been super healthy so it’s not like injuries are piling up and he gets majority of his points off the PP so hard to project that part of the game declining.

 

[sting101]

Kesler plays a style that doesn’t age well, nevermind the fact his body broke down from playing that way.

Miller up to this point has been super healthy so it’s not like injuries are piling up and he gets majority of his points off the PP so hard to project that part of the game declining.

Just one torn labrum can change that overnight though. It's impossible to predict it's really not worth it. Even players like LInden and Bure were never the same as Canucks after serious knee injuries at much younger ages.

It's such a lame boo hoo....the likelihood is at 34/35 he will be a overpaid player no matter what happens it's just the way it goes when guys hold the hammers in negotiations at 27/28yrs old.

You have to take some risk....you're not replacing Miller with a Lindholm or Scheifele on a value deal ending at 32 and your not getting a younger guy without a massive haul of assets surrendered if it's even possible.

 

[RobertKron]

Just one torn labrum can change that overnight though. It's impossible to predict it's really not worth it. Even players like LInden and Bure were never the same as Canucks after serious knee injuries at much younger ages.

It's such a lame boo hoo....the likelihood is at 34/35 he will be a overpaid player no matter what happens it's just the way it goes when guys hold the hammers in negotiations at 27/28yrs old.

You have to take some risk....you're not replacing Miller with a Lindholm or Scheifele on a value deal ending at 32 and your not getting a younger guy without a massive haul of assets surrendered if it's even possible.

I don't think it was unexpected for a workhorse like Linden, or two pretty reckless players like Kesler and Bure to have injury troubles find them, though.

 

[arttk]

Just one torn labrum can change that overnight though. It's impossible to predict it's really not worth it. Even players like LInden and Bure were never the same as Canucks after serious knee injuries at much younger ages.

It's such a lame boo hoo....the likelihood is at 34/35 he will be a overpaid player no matter what happens it's just the way it goes when guys hold the hammers in negotiations at 27/28yrs old.

You have to take some risk....you're not replacing Miller with a Lindholm or Scheifele on a value deal ending at 32 and your not getting a younger guy without a massive haul of assets surrendered if it's even possible.

I mean that kind of injury fuxks you up regardless of age. Get it too young it takes away development time. Get it any time after 27, good luck getting speed back.

 

[Coffee]

I mean that kind of injury fuxks you up regardless of age. Get it too young it takes away development time. Get it any time after 27, good luck getting speed back.

Injuries are shitty, man

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Be prepared for Miller decline truthers to repeat this every time Miller goes through a rough patch for the next 8 years.

Or 50 games being unplayable as a center.

JT's career high hasn't happened yet. Book it.

It absolutely has.

He is very very unlikely to be as horrific, as he was for the first 50 games last year, but he is not sniffing 99 ever.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I mean that kind of injury fuxks you up regardless of age. Get it too young it takes away development time. Get it any time after 27, good luck getting speed back.

Labrum is in the shoulder.

 

[arttk]

Labrum is in the shoulder.

Kesler had a torn hip labrum, I think he was referring to that kind of injury

Or 50 games being unplayable as a center.


It absolutely has.

He is very very unlikely to be as horrific, as he was for the first 50 games last year, but he is not sniffing 99 ever.

I mean if you ignore the previous 81 games where he put up 99 points and the subsequent 30 games where he went on like a 90pt pace.

 

[bossram]

Shrug - i guess. I would expect and want him to maintain his numbers at ppg or more - i certainly do not expect another 99 point season

I think if he can get better outside the scoring the value can maintain longer .. that goes without saying.. thats what we need imo

Like I said, the 5v5 scoring was pretty weak last season and his 5v5 play at center is also in question.

With him being 30, the projection isn't fantastic. I don't expect a two-way, point-per-game center.

 

[arttk]

Like I said, the 5v5 scoring was pretty weak last season and his 5v5 play at center is also in question.

With him being 30, the projection isn't fantastic. I don't expect a two-way, point-per-game center.

He doesn’t really need to be a 2way PPG center for the contract to be worth it. If he stays PPG and is even at ES then he’s earning his contract.
Larkin has worse advance stats, technically plays on an equally bad team last 2 season and makes 8.75M. Bo is a lesser player than Miller and makes 8.5M. Neither of them is at PPG either, Larkin is close, like 1-2 points off.
8M doesn’t get you a PPG 2 way center unless you have a bunch of RFA years.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Labrum is in the shoulder.

Labrum? Damn near killed 'em!

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Kesler had a torn hip labrum, I think he was referring to that kind of injury

Its called a hip labral injury where Im from but this could be a european vs NA thing...
Or just bad english on my part.

I mean if you ignore the previous 81 games where he put up 99 points and the subsequent 30 games where he went on like a 90pt pace.

What makes you think I am ignoring those stretches of play..? I called last summer his production was not sustainable in the least and then he didnt sustain it in the least.

 

[arttk]

Its called a hip labral injury where Im from but this could be a european vs NA thing...
Or just bad english on my part.

What makes you think I am ignoring those stretches of play..? I called last summer his production was not sustainable in the least and then he didnt sustain it in the least.

No idea, so apparently the joint is hip labrum and the tear is called labral tear.

Well there are 2 things. The 99 point season is like a career year so yes, career years tend to be not repeatable, but it shows that he has that ability. 2nd, you are attributing his bad start to him being the bad player you think he is rather than him struggling because everything was on fire. Even he said he was struggling because he was trying to do too much because there was no coaching direction.

 

[MarkMM]

Rutherford's comments keep getting sort of twisted.



That's true about every playoff team for the most part. It's not like he's made a 'ho-hum well this piece of shit roster I helped slap together, don't think it has a hope in hell of being successful unless the stars align" type comment some have made it out to be.

They're working to get to a point where 1 or 2 injuries won't be catastrophic.

And on top of that he clarified that we could still make the playoffs if things went wrong, just that we'd be counting on the "difference makers" (Hughes, Petersson, Demko) to carry the team in. It's not hard to see them doing that, but Rutherford said he wants to get the team to the point where that's not necessary.

 

[Coffee]

Was this posted? Everyone should watch, I honestly have full faith in JR now

 

[BrentSopelsHair]

JT's career high hasn't happened yet. Book it.

Scalding hot take

Not a lot of players hit their primes after they turn 30. The Sedins are outliers, not the norm!

 

[arttk]

Like I said, the 5v5 scoring was pretty weak last season and his 5v5 play at center is also in question.

With him being 30, the projection isn't fantastic. I don't expect a two-way, point-per-game center.

If his 5on5 scoring was better he would be like a 90-100 point player…
Like you guys want a good 2 way player that puts op 90-100 points at 8M, that’s not realistic in any sense.

 

[tantalum]

Labrum is in the shoulder.

The glenoid labrum is in the shoulder. In general, a labrum is soft tissue or cartilage that surrounds the socket in a ball and socket joint. It provides support to the bones and keeps them in place. In the hip it is the acetabular labrum the repair of which was part of my hip surgery.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

The glenoid labrum is in the shoulder. In general, a labrum is soft tissue or cartilage that surrounds the socket in a ball and socket joint. It provides support to the bones and keeps them in place. In the hip it is the acetabular labrum the repair of which was part of my hip surgery.

Yeah I realised I made a blunder.

Bad english on my part. Sorry.