Management Thread | Who needs draft picks Edition

[givemeda411]

Says you not management.

OEL is still a serviceable player, and even perfectly fine if only being paid half his salary. Which is exactly what he would be come 2025. When you buy a player out, you do realize you have to replace them. We aren't getting 8M to spend however we like. We're getting what is essentially a one year loan that gets progressively worse with each year.

Who are you getting that will cost 3M or thereabouts and actually have any sort of impact worth 4.5M of dead cap? Because that's all the money you're actually able to use. Not 7.26M or 8M. You can't spend money you won't have a year later without losing other players. We played that game before and watched the likes of Tanev, Toffoli and Markstrom all walk for nothing as a result.

Stock is a terrible analogy because once you cut your loses, that's it. You stop losing. Buying out OEL is more akin to borrowing credit you can't afford to pay back. So while it starts off okay, the interest piles up.

146k
2.346M
4.766M
4.766M
2.126M
2.126M
2.126M
2.126M

Those are the numbers you're advocating for. Outside of a single season we're eating at least 2M for almost a decade. In this allotted time, Pettersson will need a new deal. With players of his caliber pushing closer and closer to 9-10M and his agent knowing we're completely screwed if he were to walk. We're going to pay him 10M unless his production craters in the next two years.

So that supposed savings you think we get by buying out OEL? You're giving it and then some straight to Pettersson. Now you have even less money to replace OEL and he'll 31 before this buy out penalty goes away.

Buying out OEL is not an option. It's so bad Rutherford should be fired if he even considers it. I am well aware it would take probably a 1st+ to move this albatross of a contract. Hence why I said he'll likely be here until 2027. The last parting gift of Jim Benning. And just like Eriksson before him, we can't do a damn thing about it.

Yes those are the numbers, and they will make it work. Don't forget, the cap is going up.

Glad we share the same feelings about Dim Benning

 

[credulous]

the cap is not going up. bally sports is bankrupt and warner is giving away hockey broadcast rights for free to anyone who will take them

the next opportunity for the cap to go up is when the canadian broadcast rights are up but will tsn even mount a serious attempt to buy the rights? if not it could be bleak for 'cap going up' bros on message boards everywhere

 

[CpatainCanuck]

the cap is not going up. bally sports is bankrupt and warner is giving away hockey broadcast rights for free to anyone who will take them

the next opportunity for the cap to go up is when the canadian broadcast rights are up but will tsn even mount a serious attempt to buy the rights? if not it could be bleak for 'cap going up' bros on message boards everywhere

At some point you have to expect that the bottom will fall out of traditional broadcast rights...there aren't very many people under 40 who are paying for cable.

 

[credulous]

At some point you have to expect that the bottom will fall out of traditional broadcast rights...there aren't very many people under 40 who are paying for cable.

it's happening right now. disney wants espn to cut rights spending by 40% and is winding down their regional sports stations. bally (the ex-fox regional stations) is bankrupt. cbs sports will probably follow. the only healthy sports broadcasters are the team owned broadcasters and that's because they kind of cheat their fellow owners on rev share

streaming rights are gaining value but not nearly as fast as broadcast rights are collapsing. if the nba takes all production and broadcast in house as is rumoured the nfl will probably follow and then mlb and the nhl will have no choice but to do the same as the entire concept of a sports 'channel' collapses. can the nhl survive as a major sport when they're only available over the internet on a dedicated streaming service?

 

[givemeda411]

the cap is not going up. bally sports is bankrupt and warner is giving away hockey broadcast rights for free to anyone who will take them

the next opportunity for the cap to go up is when the canadian broadcast rights are up but will tsn even mount a serious attempt to buy the rights? if not it could be bleak for 'cap going up' bros on message boards everywhere

Ads will fix everything. Ever watch Euro hockey?

Gary Bettman always makes money for his partners. One by one, our old friends are gone. Death, natural or not, prison, deported.​

 

[Jay26]

As I pointed out on another threat, if Cap Friendly is correct, the Canucks have one pick in the first 70 players of the 2023 draft; and one pick in the top 70 or so players of the 2024 draft.

It takes special talent for a perpetual lottery team to have just two picks in the top 140 players in the next two drafts.

I mean, how does that happen?

You're bring unreasonable and we should wait and see how things go with Hronek!!!

 

[VanJack]

You're bring unreasonable and we should wait and see how things go with Hronek!!!

I don't care if Hronek is the second coming of Cale Makar.

For a perpetual lottery team like the Canucks to have two measly picks in the top 140 draft selections in 2023 and 2024 would be laughable, it wasn't so tragic.

 

[Quinntessential]

Except the Canucks didn't trade a first and a second in an insane draft for Sami Salo, we traded Peter Schaefer, who was not very good. Not a very smart comparison, as the Sami Salo acquisition in 2002 would have likely involved trading the asset that got them Ryan Kesler in the 2003 draft, which would have been very stupid!

If Sami Salo wasn’t injured all the time he would’ve definitely been worth a 1st and a 2nd. Finnish MacInnis.

 

[gringo]

I don't care if Hronek is the second coming of Cale Makar.

For a perpetual lottery team like the Canucks to have two measly picks in the top 140 draft selections in 2023 and 2024 would be laughable, it wasn't so tragic.

Uh… if Hronek turns into makar I’ll take that….

 

[krutovsdonut]

this failed trade rumour has to be bullshit.

 

[Hit the post]

If Sami Salo wasn’t injured all the time he would’ve definitely been worth a 1st and a 2nd. Finnish MacInnis.

I think he was the most healthy D on our blueline in the Cup Finals in 2011. The Hockey Gods love to troll the Canucks.

 

[DCantheDDad]

this failed trade rumour has to be bullshit.

It just wouldn't make sense for it to be true. Right? Nobody can be that short sighted right?

 

[Diogenes92]

this failed trade rumour has to be bullshit.

You give the Canucks too much credit.

 

[gringo]

You give the Canucks too much credit.

Tried and true method to shake up a boring trade deadline day is just make up a bunch of shit about the canucks and let canucks fans drive the clicks

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

this failed trade rumour has to be bullshit.

Yeah, it’s more believable that JT Miller was injured “week to week” and suddenly was healthy the next day.

 

[Diogenes92]

Tried and true method to shake up a boring trade deadline day is just make up a bunch of shit about the canucks and let canucks fans drive the clicks

My point stands.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Yeah, it’s more believable that JT Miller was injured “week to week” and suddenly was healthy the next day.

i am not skeptical there was a possible trade.

i am skeptical about what exactly was offered.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

i am not skeptical there was a possible trade.

i am skeptical about what exactly was offered.

I mean, it makes sense that it was likely a futures package (picks, prospects) likely with a cap dump coming back. Pittsburgh is in win-now mode and doesn’t really have many younger roster players (especially that fit a need). From a common sense perspective, it makes sense.

 

[Diogenes92]

i am not skeptical there was a possible trade.

i am skeptical about what exactly was offered.

To get off of Miller's contract, theyd should be willing to take a lot less than the rumoured offer.

But, since they seem to have an organization-wide blindness to where they are in their competitive cycle, they will probably keep him.

 

[Brookbank]

We are going to spend futures to win in the Petey Hughs window. If it doesn't work and we lose the next 2-3 years, then we bring in a rebuild GM. To trade both of them and everyone else and rebuild.

 

[Gurn]

Yes those are the numbers, and they will make it work. Don't forget, the cap is going up.

Glad we share the same feelings about Dim Benning

How does the cap go up when they are losing revenue due to a tv network going bankrupt?

 

[Bleach Clean]

Alright I’m going to just say it now. I don’t think a full rebuild is the way to go. *ducks*

Not saying the moves that management have been making are any good. If it were up to me, Miller and Boeser would have been traded last offseason at the absolute latest.

IMO it doesn’t make sense to rebuild when you have a 1C, 1D, 1G. We have all of them.

That’s fine, but re-tool in what way, is the question? It’s not strategy, it’s execution.

It’s more likely they fail doing what they’ve already tried to do, because they’ve been bad at pro scouting, than it would have been to try and restock while making lower end buys. At least with that, they could try and prove their mettle in pro scouting first, without the higher cost. This way, they’re trying their bigger trades first without any assurance they’re going to be able to fill out the rest of the roster.

Hope based thinking all the way to the top of the franchise.

 

[krutovsdonut]

To get off of Miller's contract, theyd should be willing to take a lot less than the rumoured offer.

But, since they seem to have an organization-wide blindness to where they are in their competitive cycle, they will probably keep him.

yeah, it makes way too much sense. the season is done. they'd have months to infill a centre and the assets to do it. the only rational reason for them to turn down that deal i can think of is if petey is calling the shots right now and will not tolerate even a temporary step backwards.

 

[krutovsdonut]

That’s fine, but re-tool in what way, is the question? It’s not strategy, it’s execution.

It’s more likely they fail doing what they’ve already tried to do, because they’ve been bad at pro scouting, than it would have been to try and restock while making lower end buys. At least with that, they could try and prove their mettle in pro scouting first, without the higher cost. This way, they’re trying their bigger trades first without any assurance they’re going to be able to fill out the rest of the roster.

Hope based thinking all the way to the top of the franchise.

i have figured after the horvat trade that their retool is lip-service doing the minimum they can get away with to keep petey and hughes happy while trying to stockpile picks to create a deep prospect pool.

so beauvillier as a near-cap dump made excellent sense, as did adding talented reclamation projects. low cost assets for help now, and high cost assets for a rebuild.

then hronek whiplashed me and now this rumour, if true, suggests they are all in on a retool. that's insane. even the players like petey and hughes should see the folly of that plan 2 years out when they have a paperthin retool limping along with no prospects to infill it.

 

[Diogenes92]

yeah, it makes way too much sense. the season is done. they'd have months to infill a centre and the assets to do it. the only rational reason for them to turn down that deal i can think of is if petey is calling the shots right now and will not tolerate even a temporary step backwards.

Players need to stay in their lane and do their job.

If Petey and Hughes are meddling and their opinions are actually changing the outlook for the team, then get rid of them. They have been losers their entire NHL careers up to this point.