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me2 said:
That's where the Canucks are and have been for a while. If everything goes right they are a playoff team (10th to 16th in the league). If a few things are not great, they miss the playoffs and finish 17th to 22nd. If more than that goes wrong they are 23rd to 28th last. 3 key players to the team have had outstanding career years (Pettersson Hughes and Horvat) and the Kuzmenko addition is great.... Despite all this they are back with the tank teams because one key player, Demko, was bad.

With regards to next year they can plug those D holes using OEL buyout savings and pay the danegeld to move Myers, trading more futures, signing UFAs etc. They should be a playoff team if things go right. The question is how do they get from playoff roadkill to heavy weight contender? The farm has nothing momentum changing, all the cap is already committed got the next 3-4 years.

Just the players looking to jump from RFA to UFA level money

2024 Pettersson, Beauvillier and Hronek.
2025 Kuzmenko*
2026:.Demko
2027: Hughes

*Technically a UFA but special case this year having just come over. Also the year the nearly $5m OEL buyout starts biting.

what they put together this offseason better be good because the farm isn't coming to help and there won't be any future cap for UFAs riding in on white horses.
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How could it possibly be good? They will trade picks away for middling cast offs and maybe overpay for a guy if they can clear cap.

Show me a team that has done this successfully from near this position with no prospects, few picks and negative cap space...
 
givemeda411 said:
Hronek was market value, look at Chychurn trade. Fans should be happy, he is Sami Salo 2.0
Buying out OEL give us (next year only) $7.1M in cap savings.
Buying out Garland gives us $4.1M in cap savings. Maybe we buyout both.


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Except the Canucks didn't trade a first and a second in an insane draft for Sami Salo, we traded Peter Schaefer, who was not very good. Not a very smart comparison, as the Sami Salo acquisition in 2002 would have likely involved trading the asset that got them Ryan Kesler in the 2003 draft, which would have been very stupid!
 
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VanJack said:
As I pointed out on another threat, if Cap Friendly is correct, the Canucks have one pick in the first 70 players of the 2023 draft; and one pick in the top 70 or so players of the 2024 draft.

It takes special talent for a perpetual lottery team to have just two picks in the top 140 players in the next two drafts.

I mean, how does that happen?
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you're really selling the team short here

they could easily finish in the bottom 6 and turn their 3rd into a top 100 pick
 
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givemeda411 said:
Hronek was market value, look at Chychurn trade. Fans should be happy, he is Sami Salo 2.0
Buying out OEL give us (next year only) $7.1M in cap savings.
Buying out Garland gives us $4.1M in cap savings. Maybe we buyout both.


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Only to then saddle us with nearly 5M in dead cap for two straight years; with an additional 2.1M for four years after. This all starts from 2025-26 onward, by the way. Basically, right in the middle of Pettersson and Hughes' prime years. That 7.1 (it's actually 8M) is for one single year. We can't do much of anything with it because the savings almost immediately plummets.

There is no scenario where we buy out OEL. Even if Aquilini was known for giving out money like that, it's simply a terrible decision. He's either here until 2027 or we're attaching a pretty decent draft pick to him and hoping he'll let us dump his ass back to money laundering central Arizona.
 
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Hodgy said:
But, for the record, you do acknowledge the compete now chance is unlikely to actually work? I believe you have recently stated that. Otherwise, sure, a lot of the above is personal preference. Overall I agree the point is to try to win, but I don't think the compete now approach is actually more likely to achieve that, and in fact, I think the opposite is true.

Also, who are the "absolutely elite players". Pettersson, for sure. But Hughes is probably not even a top 10 defensemen so I'm not sure on him. Elite, definitely. And Demko? Who currently has a sub 900 svp? Not too sure that I would go for that quite yet.
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I’ve said since Benning was fired that we needed to be aggressive and get a lot of things right to get things back on the rails and re-open a window. That’s narrowed further, obviously.

I don’t think it’s a 5% thing. This league is far more in flux than that. But yes, it’s probably less than 50/50.
 
Bourne Endeavor said:
Only to then saddle us with nearly 5M in dead cap for two straight years; with an additional 2.1M for four years after. This all starts from 2025-26 onward, by the way. Basically, right in the middle of Pettersson and Hughes' prime years. That 7.1 (it's actually 8M) is for one single year. We can't do much of anything with it because the savings almost immediately plummets.

There is no scenario where we buy out OEL. Even if Aquilini was known for giving out money like that, it's simply a terrible decision. He's either here until 2027 or we're attaching a pretty decent draft pick to him and hoping he'll let us dump his ass back to money laundering central Arizona.
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I cannot believe we traded for OEL, also I can't believe we traded for another Arizona defensemen.
Like I said previous, trading for Arizona Coyotes defensemen is like trading for Oakland A's pitching...extremely overvalued and not good outside their previous environment.
 
MS said:
I’ve said since Benning was fired that we needed to be aggressive and get a lot of things right to get things back on the rails and re-open a window. That’s narrowed further, obviously.

I don’t think it’s a 5% thing. This league is far more in flux than that. But yes, it’s probably less than 50/50.
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what's your success criteria? they make the playoffs? 100 points? deep playoff run?
 
Bourne Endeavor said:
Only to then saddle us with nearly 5M in dead cap for two straight years; with an additional 2.1M for four years after. This all starts from 2025-26 onward, by the way. Basically, right in the middle of Pettersson and Hughes' prime years. That 7.1 (it's actually 8M) is for one single year. We can't do much of anything with it because the savings almost immediately plummets.

There is no scenario where we buy out OEL. Even if Aquilini was known for giving out money like that, it's simply a terrible decision. He's either here until 2027 or we're attaching a pretty decent draft pick to him and hoping he'll let us dump his ass back to money laundering central Arizona.
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I'm glad someone understands buyouts and such. Retaining cap on trades, buyouts, and signing amazing players for penny's on the dollar are such a disconnect from reality for the *rah rah you guys are negative nancys* win now mode. Understand if you are saying there is a and I'm being generous to what y'all think, 3-5 window, then how do u take on dead cap, while trying to supposedly re-sign your star players you seem to wrap this all around all while trading away futures? Let me give u an example of what that may look like. Try looking up Canucks circa any year in the past 7 yrs and more.
 
EpochLink said:
I cannot believe we traded for OEL, also I can't believe we traded for another Arizona defensemen.
Like I said previous, trading for Arizona Coyotes defensemen is like trading for Oakland A's pitching...extremely overvalued and not good outside their previous environment.
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It will go down as one of the worst trades in our entire history. Not because OEL is the worst player we've ever traded for but the entire context of what we gave up and how it locked down our cap again when we were almost free.

That last part is what bothers me the most. We were just a few months away from being rid of all our junk contracts except Myers.
 
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docbenton said:
Has Vancouver had the worst goaltending in the league this year? The stats are close to the bottom if not the bottom. This doesn't get talked about enough.
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Sure.

What about last year? Demko played vezina level for 60 games and they still missed out.

Too many excuses, not enough results.
 
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canucksfan said:
They need to get rid of one bigger contract before the TDL. Cant go into the off-season over the cap because teams will be taking advantage of the situation.
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They're going to buyout OEL.

They'll likely go into next season spending right up to the cap again after handing out another fat contract in free agency.

Perennial bottom-ten team spending to the cap is a bad look.
 
MS said:
How have I changed? What opinions do I have that are different than before?

I said probably 100 times during Benning's tenure here that he had accidentally assembled a good core with his accidental tank, and would actually have been a useful idiot if he'd been fired in 2017 or 2018.
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I guess I just misunderstood you all this time.
 
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brock hughes007 said:
Why can't we have nice things.
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canucksfan said:
Is that confirmed? I've seen where they won't buy him out.
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who would confirm it and why?

i think their first choice is to move boeser and myers to create space. garland probably an "oh shit it's EXPENSIVE to move term" fallback option and then it's probably some combination of bribing teams to take on pearson or beauvillier and buying out boeser. buying out oel isn't realistic and i doubt it happens. too many cap implications down the road and too much real money for aquilini to swallow
 
credulous said:
who would confirm it and why?

i think their first choice is to move boeser and myers to create space. garland probably an "oh shit it's EXPENSIVE to move term" fallback option and then it's probably some combination of bribing teams to take on pearson or beauvillier and buying out boeser. buying out oel isn't realistic and i doubt it happens. too many cap implications down the road and too much real money for aquilini to swallow
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Well, the poster said they were buying out OEL so I thought maybe it was confirmed.

I think Myers likely gets moved in the off-season but they are stuck with Boeser unless they add a good pick.
 
If there is any buyouts, any, honestly, logical and sane fan, will abruptly give up, no matter what side of the fence u stand. If you keep using the argument that there is a window to be contending in, being saddled w so much dead cap for that many years, then that very idea is such a big hindrance to the bottom line. Remember this team is already willing to burn draft picks so in this time frame you won't have any bullets, you don't have young players finally challenging for spots and being cost controlled on elcs, you do not pass go, you do not collect 200$. And all this because you failed to see the reality of things years before. I digress though. As you were

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I've made rebuttals to a few here, and I don't want it to come off as an I'm right, your wrong. But no one seems to answer me when I give you actual facts and scenarios based on your own words. if you can't see the flaws in what your basing your assumptions on and want to believe blindly or write your own narrative, well so be it. I could very well be wrong and next year the Canucks win the cup, but the odds of that happening if you are to handicap it, are much lower than the odds they'll win the draft lotto.
 
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