if they were asked if their ok with being a mediocre team they would say the same thing.
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if they were asked if their ok with being a mediocre team they would say the same thing.
Why do people keep using this season as some sort of benchmark? This season was a total throwaway once Demko got hurt.
We lost our franchise goalie and had ECHL level goaltending for the bulk of the season.
It's a wonder how we aren't bottom 3.
Not necessarily, you have to consider whether there's a plausible case where there's enough to build around the YOUNG quality roster players to be a contender by trading those draft picks; if not, and we're not honest or mature enough to admit that, then all we'd be doing is flushing away draft picks to try to force a window that would never have happened, even with these young players.
I think it's a fair question whether or not we have enough with our core that when saddled with Benning Blunders on the cap that will handicap this team throughout the young core window to be a contender. It's more complicated than "but they're young, we should build on them" if the foundation is so rotten that it was never going to happen and by trading away futures we're just condemning ourselves to a longer period of failure.
This is exactly how we got into this mess in the first place.
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the canucks are trying to do something unprecedented in the modern era: build a team by paying market value salaries to all their key players
next year is really the last year vancouver will have significant 'surplus' value on their books. by 2024 season opening only kuzmenko, hughes and possibly podkolzin, hoglander, raty, lekkerimaki and their 2023 first (assuming) will really be providing any kind of surplus and it will be fairly minimal in kuzmenko and hughes' case
teams like tampa and vegas have shown what kind of lengths contenders will go to in order to recoup some of that surplus. can vancouver replicate that?
next year is really the last year vancouver will have significant 'surplus' value on their books. by 2024 season opening only kuzmenko, hughes and possibly podkolzin, hoglander, raty, lekkerimaki and their 2023 first (assuming) will really be providing any kind of surplus and it will be fairly minimal in kuzmenko and hughes' case
teams like tampa and vegas have shown what kind of lengths contenders will go to in order to recoup some of that surplus. can vancouver replicate that?
So demko was the reason the Canucks didn't do well? He played up til Dec 1st, and he had a worse record than those ECHL goalies, whom btw this regime also re-signed.. I had a few things I've even asked you about yesterday to enlighten me with on a span of other topics that you have ignored. I've offered you facts on all said things with an ask on a rebuttal, and you've yet to respond. Without looking back, you say we can't use the past because it's sunk costs, I will ask, what was your mentality everytime this happened then? Were you of this same mindset telling everyone they know shit about what is going to happen and trust the process?
That’s what the Blues, Caps, pens did when they won the cup. All the key guys on yhose teams were paid.
Diogenes92
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Acceptable if mushy middle is the goal.
Have some standards maybe?
Demko played vezina level last year and they still missed out.
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for the caps carlson and wilson were on bridges and vrana, connolly and burakovsky were on elcs/second contracts
the pens were getting their surplus value from a ridiculous crosby contract and an almost as ridiculous malkin contract
the blues i'll give you
BrentSopelsHair
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Excited for next year to obviously be a throwaway when someone inevitably gets injured, rather than evidence that this is a thin, bad team that needs every single star to align to even sniff the top 20 teams in the league, let alone contention
Travis Green was a god awful coach.
If they had Bruce from the start of the year, they would have easily been a playoff team lol.
Demko's season save percentage is .884
Do you think this is his career norm?
Pens won when the cap was around 70ish M. Sid, Malkin and Letang’s contracts were like above 10% of the cap.
For the caps, Backstroke, Oyv and Kuz were already on big contracts.
The challenge for us is going to be squeezing surplus out of the depth guys.
So now we are speaking as if we know what happens? You wont allow anyone to feel any sort of way about future prospects based on past experiences, but you are allowed to cherrypick and say this is a guarantee because it's set in stone? Are the first 4 years of EPs career than the norm and this year must be an outlier than. U can't pick and choose your narrative just because, it has to be relative w everything.
Just like they had Bruce from the start of this year right?
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That's where the Canucks are and have been for a while. If everything goes right they are a playoff team (10th to 16th in the league). If a few things are not great, they miss the playoffs and finish 17th to 22nd. If more than that goes wrong they are 23rd to 28th last. 3 key players to the team have had outstanding career years (Pettersson Hughes and Horvat) and the Kuzmenko addition is great.... Despite all this they are back with the tank teams because one key player, Demko, was bad.
With regards to next year they can plug those D holes using OEL buyout savings and pay the danegeld to move Myers, trading more futures, signing UFAs etc. They should be a playoff team if things go right. The question is how do they get from playoff roadkill to heavy weight contender? The farm has nothing momentum changing, all the cap is already committed got the next 3-4 years.
Just the players looking to jump from RFA to UFA level money
2024 Pettersson, Beauvillier and Hronek.
2025 Kuzmenko*
2026:.Demko
2027: Hughes
*Technically a UFA but special case this year having just come over. Also the year the nearly $5m OEL buyout starts biting.
what they put together this offseason better be good because the farm isn't coming to help and there won't be any future cap for UFAs riding in on white horses.
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As I pointed out on another threat, if Cap Friendly is correct, the Canucks have one pick in the first 70 players of the 2023 draft; and one pick in the top 70 or so players of the 2024 draft.
It takes special talent for a perpetual lottery team to have just two picks in the top 140 players in the next two drafts.
I mean, how does that happen?
It takes special talent for a perpetual lottery team to have just two picks in the top 140 players in the next two drafts.
I mean, how does that happen?
Yeah I mean I guess we could have all accurately predicted ECHL level goaltending for the entire year.
Yes because we didn't predict we would have ECHL level defencemen.. Oh wait.. Yes so if everything worked out perfectly, we would be in 1st place, barring no injuries to our starting goalie who has a history of injuries, our defence played out of their minds, and not to the level of what they really are. I mean it wasn't like these players weren't all brought in to surround our young stars so they'd never have to deal with a rebuild.
givemeda411
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Demko only wanted out if we were going to rebuild, I think the same goes for Pettersson and Hughes. Management has a plan with and without JT, they can spin it either way. Myers will be gone. OEL will be bought out. We will be buying players pennies on the dollar in the offseason to fill out the roster.
The goal next season is the playoffs
The goal next season is the playoffs
My take 24 hours later…
We’ve been hoodwinked…twice…at least.
Management came in and said it was a priority to gain cap space…we got excited
They signed Miller and Mikheyev to long term big money…we were confused
They said it would take major surgery and some time to fix this team and followed it up with a Horvat trade that was mostly about the future…we were excited
They traded that future for a help me now player…we were confused.
I’m trying to figure out whether:
A. They have a massive communications problem
B. Like to let fans and media fixate on misinformation, or
C. Are stuck in an episode of Seinfeld: opposite year
We’ve been hoodwinked…twice…at least.
Management came in and said it was a priority to gain cap space…we got excited
They signed Miller and Mikheyev to long term big money…we were confused
They said it would take major surgery and some time to fix this team and followed it up with a Horvat trade that was mostly about the future…we were excited
They traded that future for a help me now player…we were confused.
I’m trying to figure out whether:
A. They have a massive communications problem
B. Like to let fans and media fixate on misinformation, or
C. Are stuck in an episode of Seinfeld: opposite year
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Hansen
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With our luck Hronek will be injured until the playoffs and then the league will throw the book at us and take away our 1st 
me2
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