Isn't that exactly what the rebuild yesterday folks want just on a delayed time line? A timeline that makes a little more sense given the age of the 2 best player on the team.
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Show us how you think they could get Bedard. No team that has the option of picking Bedard is going to care about these 2 extra late first round picks that you somehow acquired. A lot of the tank for Bedard folks seem to think being slightly worse than this team currently is means Bedard is a Canuck. It's not a given the lottery works out no matter how bad this team is.
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Trying to block Benning from my random thoughts, but I think he knows it's an incredibly risky trade when he made it, but remember he needed to save his job.
After hearing his thoughts on building a team, I'm more inclined to wonder what Yzerman was thinking when he picked up the phone and it's Allvin on the line asking for Hronek. They are much further along the rebuild and we are buying his castoffs with our premiere future assets (including a short position on their declining rivals). I wonder how many beers he and Lidstrom had afterwards.
Detroit still needs like 2-3 years of rebuilding before they can get out of this. They are outperforming their individual talent.
They have some good defensive pieces but they lack a lot which is surprising considering how long they have been tanking.
Detroit is like the prime example of how you can tank for a freaking long time and still not get the pieces you need to get out of a rebuild.
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it seems to me that if i assume they traded for hronek now instead of waiting until the offseason because they are trying to extend pettersson and desperately want to impress them, they have actually sacrificed more than just the overpayment for hronek.
1. if they put hronek in the lineup and we still tank, what does that say about things being different next year? how will that impact pettersson's morale and willingness to extend?
2. but if they put hronek in the lineup and we go on a run, are they going to sacrifice a shot at a top 5 pick that could give them help very soon?
the answer is that having made the move they made instead of waiting until the summer, they now need it to work now. it must be more important to this team to win meaningless games now than to preserve a high enough draft position to have a chance at a player who could enter the league in the next two seasons and make a difference.
if all of this is being done to extend petersson i wonder if it is worth it. more to the point, i wonder if pettersson has the long term interests of the team in mind if he is pushing them to do this.
if all of this has nothing to do with pettersson, i just don't know what to think. the last thing they wanted or needed to do this tdl was improve the team's active roster.
hopefully demko takes the situation into his own hands and lets in soft goals.
1. if they put hronek in the lineup and we still tank, what does that say about things being different next year? how will that impact pettersson's morale and willingness to extend?
2. but if they put hronek in the lineup and we go on a run, are they going to sacrifice a shot at a top 5 pick that could give them help very soon?
the answer is that having made the move they made instead of waiting until the summer, they now need it to work now. it must be more important to this team to win meaningless games now than to preserve a high enough draft position to have a chance at a player who could enter the league in the next two seasons and make a difference.
if all of this is being done to extend petersson i wonder if it is worth it. more to the point, i wonder if pettersson has the long term interests of the team in mind if he is pushing them to do this.
if all of this has nothing to do with pettersson, i just don't know what to think. the last thing they wanted or needed to do this tdl was improve the team's active roster.
hopefully demko takes the situation into his own hands and lets in soft goals.
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it is possible to imagine that yzerman chose to be a seller because he wanted to slow the team down a little, not because he doubted they would make the playoffs. maybe he feared they would make the playoffs.
i would love to follow a team where i could attribute such a motive to the gm.
He also probably chose to sell because the value was there. Canucks probably called him up and he set his price and they said yep, we don't need those picks. You can pivot on the fly if somebody blows the doors off with an offer.
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And they got all these extra 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft picks, and it's amounted to nothing.
I don’t think it’s about playoffs. Despite being in rebuild mode for the past N years, there aren’t enough game breaking prospects in the system. Like what gamebreaking forwards do they have? Raymond, Kasper and what?
They don’t have that “army” of prospects that’s going to be busting in and taking spots anytime soon.
They don’t have that 90-100pt+ C in their system because they didn’t get lucky with draft lottery and couldn’t finish at the bottom to get that.
Now he has to reset and try to get to the bottom again because he doesn’t have the quantity and quality.
If he doesn’t reset then the team would end up in the mushy middle because they would have just enough to be at that level.
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he sold other assets.
it is possible the market generally or our offer in particular made him a seller, but i think he was always going to move bertuzzi and just took a low key approach. unlike us, who put our shit on blast for two months prior to the tdl.
I do like that they have at least expressed their goals and expectations so it will be easy to evaluate them. Like, if they don’t make the playoffs next year then I would say they would be looking at a C grade or so (depending how far off they are), and that would put them on the hot seat for 2024-25. If they fail to make the playoffs again then they should most certainly be fired in my opinion.
Their D is going to be too damn good to tank but their forward prospect depth is f***ing ass.
This could all change if they luck out on the lottery but if they don’t get lottery luck, they might have to do more to dismantle again so they can tank to the bottom to get that premium forward.
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You wish a gm would try to gut the best efforts of their team mid-season on a team that has been awful for like 8 years and is now filled with young players?
If you did that to a team intentionally you end up with the 2021 canucks. A team that feels deeply betrayed by management is prone to giving up on the team.
It's completely not rooted in reality and is the epitome of prospect message board wish casting.
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I would love to have Bedard as much as the next guy, but there are teams blatantly designed to lose games ahead of us in that regard...I would also agree with you thats in the organizations best interest to lose games down the stretch (thats why I was in favour of keeping Boudreau till the end of the year)....There are no guarantees in the draft though.
The reality is that we have a young-ish elite core in place (some of the best players in Canuck history)...These guys have not had the correct complimentary players in place , and the contracts of these current complimentary players has knee capped the team with no room to maneuver...The other option is to rebuild, and be pick focussed, and sell off our current elite core group (who have stated that they wont stick around for that)..That would be unprecedented....I'll take the former over the latter mystery box rebuild.
The proper rebuild should have commenced a decade ago when the Canucks were swept in the playoffs by SJS, when they fired AV...and blatantly apparent when beaten by the Flames a few years later.
Thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts on the team.
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One Stevie Y move that is baffling to me is the Larkin signing..?...The Wings look like they're rebuilding on a failed rebuild, moving out impact players Bertuzzi and Hronek..They are adding more picks that dont align at all with Larkins age/timeline.
Compared with Ottawa (and LAK), who started their rebuild around the same time..the Wings are way behind the 8 ball.
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larkin is 26. he'll be 34 when his deal expires. unless they think the rebuild is gonna take another 5+ years why wouldn't they sign him?
Well that’s a dumb take
Because if they lose him then they will need to tank even longer to find a replacement?
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Agreed. Miller is a very good player, I just find his attitude this year and at times in previous years extremely off-putting to the point where I'd rather he just be off the team.
He's the kind of player who'll make a good situation better and a bad situation worse. Now that I think about it, if we have a very strong leader to keep him in check, Miller can be a great asset.
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I'm hoping that Pete can emerge to be that kind of leader. For now at the very least Pete is using his own stat sheet to do the talking.
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He's a sore loser...I would have a player like that in the room if i was constructing a team..He reminds me a bit of Roy Keane from Man U.
When a collective team mentality finds losing to be 'acceptable',.. you're in deep trouble.
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