Management Thread | Who needs draft picks Edition

[Bojack Horvatman]

Sigh, I feel like this needs to be explained time and time again. The problem isn’t about Petey or whatever the core is, the problem is the person “building” the team was mother f***ing Jim Benning.
He’s literallly shit Midas where almost every thing he does turns into literal dog shit. The team sucks not because the core sucks, the team sucks because the guy who built it is the most incompetent GM in like the last 30 years.

I don’t even think the problem is taking short cuts. The problem is Benning is a shit talent evaluator and managed to bleed out assets to bring on shit players on massive contracts leaving this team in the most unique position.

Is it fixable? Who knows, but if it’s not trending upward soon, like next year soon, Petey and Hughes and Demko will ask to be traded and a rebuild will be forced upon this team.

Where did I say the core was the problem? I think the world of Hughes and Pettersson. It pains me to see that 2 of the best players we have ever had careers been wasted so far.

Everybody knows that Benning was terrible and that it wouldn't be easy for new management is a huge understatement. I think new management has been much better, but have made a few huge mistakes. Mainly the Boeser and Miller extensions, and adding too much cap on wingers.

I maybe could of explained this better but if your plan is the same as your predecessor that failed, there is going to be resistance. Even if their execution will likely be better. It's up to them to deliver, and they haven't yet.

 

[arttk]

Where did I say the core was the problem? I think the world of Hughes and Pettersson. It pains me to see that 2 of the best players we have ever had careers been wasted so far.

Everybody knows that Benning was terrible and that it wouldn't be easy for new management is a huge understatement. I think new management has been much better, but have made a few huge mistakes. Mainly the Boeser and Miller extensions, and adding too much cap on wingers.

I maybe could of explained this better but if your plan is the same as your predecessor that failed, there is going to be resistance. Even if their execution will likely be better. It's up to them to deliver, and they haven't yet.

Ok yeah it’s on me that I misread your post.

I do think people over index on this season‘s results and assume that this team is hopeless and rebuild is the only way.

 

[valkynax]

Where did I say the core was the problem? I think the world of Hughes and Pettersson. It pains me to see that 2 of the best players we have ever had careers been wasted so far.

Everybody knows that Benning was terrible and that it wouldn't be easy for new management is a huge understatement. I think new management has been much better, but have made a few huge mistakes. Mainly the Boeser and Miller extensions, and adding too much cap on wingers.

I maybe could of explained this better but if your plan is the same as your predecessor that failed, there is going to be resistance. Even if their execution will likely be better. It's up to them to deliver, and they haven't yet.

And those mistakes would've been somewhat less irritating had they not been so confident in their so-called plans.

That's been my biggest sticking point for Alv n Moleman, and this whole new regime - starting from when they first put the management group together they've been hyping themselves up, and results have been very underwhelming.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

Really interested in how they clear cap space. They have tried to clear space before and have failed. This off-season they will have to and teams will know that. Not a great position to be in.

It's so frustrating. I just can't anymore. Wtf were they thinking? Could've traded Miller and kept the 1st, even just traded it at the draft when picks are worth so much more than at the deadline. F*** me

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Ok yeah it’s on me that I misread your post.

I do think people over index on this season‘s results and assume that this team is hopeless and rebuild is the only way.

Yeah. I do think though we absolutely should of had a long-term approach after 2021 and let the bad contracts expire. Let the bad contracts expire and aim to be competive around 2024. Now it is way to late to do that and build around Pettersson and Hughes. I don't think we are in ideal position at all, put we have no choice but to try to make it work if we want to keep Hughes and Pettersson.

There was also some people, my self included, that didn't expect a rebuild but were excited for having for having 2 firsts in a deep draft. So losing a mid first and a high second stung a lot.

I will also say, I don't like being a bad-mediocre that has to improve quickly to keep its star players. As it can make GMs make bad, short-sighted trades out of panic. Good example being the Duchene trade. Now I don't think the Hronek trade was anywhere close to that, but we did overpay. I will give credit to management for not overpaying on their other minor deals.

 

[4Twenty]

The point I was trying to make was that a lot of the main pieces that won the cup in 21-22 were also part of a team that finished .293 5 years earlier. The Avalanche stuck with their core guys through a lot of lean years. I would compare this years Canucks to the 16-17 Avalanche. The Avs finished last that year and subsequently ended up drafting Makar to add to an already talented roster they built up. Similar to the Canucks this year where they are going to add another huge piece on top of Hughes Petey Demko Kuzmenko etc. And I am more comparing the evolution of an eventual contender as opposed to a straight up talent comparison.

They didn’t stick with their Horvat or their Miller though…

16-17 Avalanche, they won the cup in 2022, so you're saying we are 6-7 years from the cup?

Hang on, weren't you the one who also proudly proclaimed that this team's rebuild was 7 years (that was back in JEB's era)? And you also said that if Alv n Moleman can't get their shit together and win the cup in 2 years, because of the absolutely WEALTH left us by the beloved dear leader, that they should be fired?

I would say this is moving the goal post but, I don't even see the goal post anymore.

Yes Logan wanted Benning declareded gm of the year after acquiring OEL

 

[arttk]

Yeah. I do think though we absolutely should of had a long-term approach after 2021 and let the bad contracts expire. Let the bad contracts expire and aim to be competive around 2024. Now it is way to late to do that and build around Pettersson and Hughes. I don't think we are in ideal position at all, put we have no choice but to try to make it work if we want to keep Hughes and Pettersson.

There was also some people, my self included, that didn't expect a rebuild but were excited for having for having 2 firsts in a deep draft. So losing a mid first and a high second stung a lot.

I will also say, I don't like being a bad-mediocre that has to improve quickly to keep its star players. As it can make GMs make bad, short-sighted trades out of panic. Good example being the Duchene trade. Now I don't think the Hronek trade was anywhere close to that, but we did overpay. I will give credit to management for not overpaying on their other minor deals.

Yeah it sucks that we have to build around Petey and Hughes in such a manner but it’s either this or to lose them.
Like trying to retool probably has better odds of actually happening than finishing a rebuild in 2 years. People like to say oh what this management group is trying to do has never been done really, yeah so is the concept of a 2 year rebuild. We would need to win the lottery, hit on like at least 2-3 more picks for that to work and that relies on massive amount of luck. Amateur scouting is way less predictable compared to pro scouting.

 

[Hit the post]

Yeah. I do think though we absolutely should of had a long-term approach after 2021 and let the bad contracts expire.

My avatar and other sh*t contracts expired after last season. It wasn't a case of waiting out an even bigger sh*t contract like OEL (who's got another 4 seasons left after this one). But yeah, team would be in a far, far better place (not to mention having another 1st round pick prospect to work with) had we followed this plan after 2021.

 

[4Twenty]

Sigh, I feel like this needs to be explained time and time again. The problem isn’t about Petey or whatever the core is, the problem is the person “building” the team was mother f***ing Jim Benning.
He’s literallly shit Midas where almost every thing he does turns into literal dog shit. The team sucks not because the core sucks, the team sucks because the guy who built it is the most incompetent GM in like the last 30 years.

I don’t even think the problem is taking short cuts. The problem is Benning is a shit talent evaluator and managed to bleed out assets to bring on shit players on massive contracts leaving this team in the most unique position.

Is it fixable? Who knows, but if it’s not trending upward soon, like next year soon, Petey and Hughes and Demko will ask to be traded and a rebuild will be forced upon this team.

Lazy analysis . Benning acquired all your 4 player core.

 

[arttk]

Lazy analysis . Benning acquired all your 4 player core.

And he also spent like multiple draft worth of assets to assemble one of the most expensive and yet useless D.

 

[4Twenty]

The “well if it doesn’t work, rebuild” folks are so ducking Lazy it’s Insane.


Just admit you’d eat anything the org puts on your plate. It’s obvious.

I’m not here to eat shit.

 

[Hit the post]

And he also spent like multiple draft worth of assets to assemble one of the most expensive and yet useless D.

I think it'll take the resurrection of Sam Pollock to "fix" this squad. At least Myers might be dumped after July with not alot of damage (eg., picks given up). OEL will be even harder to unload than Loui E. That leaves a big anchor in cap space (without even mentioning Boeser's contract). If one is going to try and build around Hughes & EP right now, I can't help but think offering that 1st round pick as an incentive to take some of this trash would've been a better move.

 

[valkynax]

They didn’t stick with their Horvat or their Miller though…


Yes Logan wanted Benning declareded gm of the year after acquiring OEL

He said every time I reply to him I'm being inflammatory and hostile, but I honestly have not seen a poster on this board with such consistently puzzling takes.

I even find many instances where I can have a decent discussion with PoM, whose points I almost always disagree with. But not him here.

Anyways, not gonna comment on the poster anymore. Will focus on the posts themselves.

This TDL has not been a promising one, and the team's overall direction is still...concerning. It looks like they want to load up and try to take a shot within the next two years window - Pete's contract has 1.5 year left, I'm assuming this will be the window? Unless they are able to work some true magic that will make Lord Voldemort proud to clear up massive cap space, or make a super charged run at the cup next year that can be sold to Pete so he will take a discounted extension, I can see him being traded being a real possibility.

 

[arttk]

I think it'll take the resurrection of Sam Pollock to "fix" this squad. At least Myers might be dumped after July with not alot of damage (eg., picks given up). OEL will be even harder to unload than Loui E. That leaves a big anchor in cap space (without even mentioning Boeser's contract). If one is going to try and build around Hughes & EP right now, I can't help but think offering that 1st round pick as an incentive to take some of this trash would've been a better move.

If we nail our top pick this year, that player could raise our ceiling in like 3 years time.

I think we just need to bite the bullet and buyout OEL. Like having dead cap sucks but having OEL on the roster means we are going to be ass for the next N years he is around. I think our PK is historically bad because he is a part of it.

 

[4Twenty]

He said every time I reply to him I'm being inflammatory and hostile, but I honestly have not seen a poster on this board with such consistently puzzling takes.

I even find many instances where I can have a decent discussion with PoM, whose points I almost always disagree with. But not him here.

Anyways, not gonna comment on the poster anymore. Will focus on the posts themselves.

This TDL has not been a promising one, and the team's overall direction is still...concerning. It looks like they want to load up and try to take a shot within the next two years window - Pete's contract has 1.5 year left, I'm assuming this will be the window? Unless they are able to work some true magic that will make Lord Voldemort proud to clear up massive cap space, or make a super charged run at the cup next year that can be sold to Pete so he will take a discounted extension, I can see him being traded being a real possibility.

I try not to hold it against art or Joe or ms but they clearly just want to support their home team no matter what even if it seems dense.


It reads just like Benning bro from 5 years ago though.

 

[valkynax]

I try not to hold it against art or Joe or ms but they clearly just want to support their home team no matter what even if it seems dense.


It reads just like Benning bro from 5 years ago though.

Let's see what's Alv n Moleman's next move, when offseason comes.

I'm not gonna even think about Bedard - almost 100% sure that I'd become the Emperor of China before we get him.

We need to get rid of some of the bad contracts, else losing one if not multiple key players next year is gonna be inevitable...

 

[Hit the post]

Let's see what's Alv n Moleman's next move, when offseason comes.

I'm not gonna even think about Bedard - almost 100% sure that I'd become the Emperor of China before we get him.

We need to get rid of some of the bad contracts, else losing one if not multiple key players next year is gonna be inevitable...

No way of doing that with the cap not going up much (if any) next season without giving up picks (given our barren prospect system). And of course, salary retention. Course, maybe they'll surprise me but I'm not holding my breath.

edit: ok Myers after his bonus payment is my #1 candidate.

 

[Sedinery]

Major surgery?

Hmmm

 

[valkynax]

No way of doing that with the cap not going up much (if any) next season without giving up picks (given our barren prospect system). And of course, salary retention. Course, maybe they'll surprise me but I'm not holding my breath.

edit: ok Myers after his bonus payment is my #1 candidate.

My hope is that Boeser can find his game again to either earn his way back to the core, or make him more appealing as a trade asset.

Myers next year will be his last contract year right? Maybe he can improve enough so we can move him without losing anything major, however unlikely it may be.

Not even gonna think about Miller or OEL's contracts anymore.

Looks like I'm gonna have to speed dial my dealer for more of copium again...god f***ing damn it...

 

[Hit the post]

My hope is that Boeser can find his game again to either earn his way back to the core, or make him more appealing as a trade asset.

Myers next year will be his last contract year right? Maybe he can improve enough so we can move him without losing anything major, however unlikely it may be.

Not even gonna think about Miller or OEL's contracts anymore.

Looks like I'm gonna have to speed dial my dealer for more of copium again...god f***ing damn it...

Short of EP feeding him pucks in the slot all game I don't see that happening.

Miller & OEL shouldn't be put in the same sentence. One guy is a valuable player. Other guy has less value than manure (as some manure has some value as a fertilizer).

 

[valkynax]

Short of EP feeding him pucks in the slot all game I don't see that happening.

Miller & OEL shouldn't be put in the same sentence. One guy is a valuable player. Other guy has less value than manure (as some manure has some value as a fertilizer).

You're right, my bad here.

My problem with Miller is that far too many times he's acting like a spoiled goddamn child. But yes, when he can calm down and focus on the game he's valuable. It feels like he's the kind of player who can play with the wind but not against it.

 

[Hit the post]

You're right, my bad here.

My problem with Miller is that far too many times he's acting like a spoiled goddamn child. But yes, when he can calm down and focus on the game he's valuable. It feels like he's the kind of player who can play with the wind but not against it.

That is true. He's a perfect #2 (Riker) & not a Picard.

 

[bossram]

Well technically he's speaking the truth. The two years in question are 2023 & 2024. He didn't say two full seasons.

Damn, he got me.

Love to acquire those cost-controlled players under contract for a whole 1.25 seasons!

 

[Tinhorn1]

The "two years" I assume was a reference to the fact that he's still an rfa when this contract expires. Team control, not cost control.

 

[Horvat1C]

Based on how we look right now heading into the offseason, it seems pretty likely that Myers will be dumped using one of our extra 3rds or 4ths.