Management Thread | Who needs draft picks Edition

[TruGr1t]

How in bloody Hell did we end up with Swedish Jim Benning? How is this timeline even possible.

 

[Bgav]

How in bloody Hell did we end up with Swedish Jim Benning? How is this timeline even possible.

lol, it's actually insane.

I turn 30 on Monday and the last 10 years canucks wise has been so f***ing bad and it never changes lol

 

[Turin]

I feel for you guys. The Miller contract was a mistake but the Pens window and pressure on Hextall was giving them an out.

JR for all his ineptitudes is not the kind of guy (and I'm assuming Alvin by default isn't as well) who is hesitant to cut-bait. This has your ownerships fingerprints all over.

 

[logan5]

The cap situation is every bit as bad right now as it was for Benning's entire tenure.

I remember writing about how much cap space was being wasted in the Eriksson/Beagle/Roussel era and it's no different today 4 years later. Amazing.


There's no such thing as the avalanche model. There's a bunch of isolated things they did well to learn from but it's not a model any team can follow.

You have to look at your franchise and ask yourself where is the cap advantage going to come from? How are you going to get from your current position to a position where the roster is more efficient than its cap hit?

The answer to those questions is not "buy at the deadline while 6th last and with 26M of dead cap on the roster".

There's no specific model that fits this team at this point. We are closest to the pre-McDavid Oilers and the Eichel era Sabres except there's no miracle coming to save this franchise like both of those franchises received.

Not saying the Canucks are going to be as good as the Avalanche, but they were in a similar situation where they were a bad team for many years. It took awhile for things to come together. It took until MacKinnon's 5th season before he made the play-offs, and it wasn't until the 2019-20 season before the Avs were more than a just mediocre team. That whole process started in 2011 when the Avs drafted Landeskog.

 

[bossram]

I joked that Rutherford was so dumb he couldn't bother to look at Capfriendly before joining the team - as he continually complains that managing the cap is too hard.

I guess Allvin is also incapable of checking Capfriendly before acquiring a player. Hronek is not under contract for two more years.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Allvin say they will make the playoffs next season…
Get your popcorn out

How in bloody Hell did we end up with Swedish Jim Benning? How is this timeline even possible.

Because they were all hired by the same person

 

[mriswith]

Not saying the Canucks are going to be as good as the Avalanche, but they were in a similar situation where they were a bad team for many years. It took awhile for things to come together. It took until MacKinnon's 5th season before he made the play-offs, and it wasn't until the 2019-20 season before the Avs were more than a just mediocre team. That whole process started in 2011 when the Avs drafted Landeskog.

It'll be interesting to see how good they are moving forward.

They were a powerhouse off of the sweetheart deals signed during the garbage years and massive ELC contributions from Makar and Byram.

Impossible to replicate what made them a powerhouse, but also that advantage is gone after this year.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Not saying the Canucks are going to be as good as the Avalanche, but they were in a similar situation where they were a bad team for many years. It took awhile for things to come together. It took until MacKinnon's 5th season before he made the play-offs, and it wasn't until the 2019-20 season before the Avs were more than a just mediocre team. That whole process started in 2011 when the Avs drafted Landeskog.

So all we need to do is draft a perennial Norris winning defenceman, trade scraps for a top pairing defenceman, make a bunch of shrewd free agency signings and trades to fill out the roster, and trade an unwanted player for a top 5 pick that turns into a young defenceman who can play top pairing minutes in the playoffs. We got this

 

[Steamer]

This is organization has already demonstrated their total incompetence by trading away a possible top 15 1st rounder, that is what Jack Gordon and Benning did and these two stooges are just as bad. It will be at least another 10 years before the mess the chipmunk is creating is corrected. I will be dead before the Canucks makes the final, never mind win the Cup.

 

[iFan]

he is just rhetorically saying don't fetishize picks for their own sake. i am ok to criticize this guy but for god sakes let's not embrace a ruthervin on empty culture here where we twist everything they say into hilarious gaffes and then after a while start to believe our own disingenuity.

Yea it’s getting a bit much… I get the angry from last years TDL then the draft and how the off-season went (re-signing Boeser and Miller) but you also gotta give them credit for landing Kuz! I had no idea he’d be this great! We always seem to miss out on those opportunities. Same with getting Kravtsov we got him for nothing and he has looked pretty good here, still early but these type of moves they have done are great. Beau has also been a big surprise. Personally, I’m easing up on them because some of their work is looking positive.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

how on earth is the canucks supposed to compete with teams like Colorado when they have tanked for many years and drafted so many good players, on the contrary the canucks spend 13 million dollars alone on two useless players such as myers and OEL.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I dont care what Pettersson and Hughes want. They won't want to be here when the team continues to miss the playoffs either.

I would gladly blow up this lame duck season and go all in for the 1st overall pick. The Canucks could have acquired two or three 1st round picks in this draft. They will miss the playoffs either way.

They could have used those assets to force a trade for the 1st overall pick who is rumored to possibly not want to play for a number of franchises. Or they pick 3 times in the 1st round on a very good draft.

My gut however says the Canucks do not like that player and they would trade that pick if he somehow landed in their lap. Either way, they have wasted this and every opportunity to rebuild while they were a non playoff team. It's been more than ten years of this.

If they had acquired picks like any normal franchise and rebuilt during their down cycle we would not be having this conversation. All the Canucks have done is extend their losing period and turn off their fanbase.

How many years did it take the franchise to draft an elite D man like Hughes..?.(49 years..?)..Hughes also said he has no interest on being on a team going through a rebuild (EP said the same thing in a round about way before he signed his last contract).

You can acquire/hoard picks ,tank, and do everything the right way..and still not hit home runs (look at the Red Wings, they've hit one homerun, and look like they're on the verge of doing a rebuild on top of a rebuild).

They're not moving EP or Hughes..You may want to turn your head, or maybe pick another rebuilding team to root for..A full on rebuild is not happening here.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

This is organization has already demonstrated their total incompetence by trading away a possible top 15 1st rounder, that is what Jack Gordon and Benning did and these two stooges are just as bad. It will be at least another 10 years before the mess the chipmunk is creating is corrected. I will be dead before the Canucks makes the final, never mind win the Cup.

That top 15 first rounder probably wont even be on the team for another 3-4 years.

The most glaring need on the team was a young RHD...They didnt have any in the system, and had to pay the piper to get one.

Pure retool move...as what they've said all along

 

[logan5]

So all we need to do is draft a perennial Norris winning defenceman, trade scraps for a top pairing defenceman, make a bunch of shrewd free agency signings and trades to fill out the roster, and trade an unwanted player for a top 5 pick that turns into a young defenceman who can play top pairing minutes in the playoffs. We got this

They didn't trade their best players for draft picks. Hughes is not an easy piece to find even when you are drafting high every year. That's a huge piece on d like Makar. Pettersson is a 100 plus point (soon to be) Selke type player at 24 years old. That's another huge piece similar to Mackinnon. And now we have an opportunity to add another Pettersson/Hughes level player.

Maybe there is an example, but has there ever been a team with 2 young franchise level players that decided to go full rebuild instead of building around those players?

 

[Cupless44]

To be fair our media asks pretty dumb questions

Drance didnt
Only guy who asks hard questions and doesnt lob softballs.
And you could see Alvin getting agitated when he answered

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

They didn't trade their best players for draft picks. Hughes is not an easy piece to find even when you are drafting high every year. That's a huge piece on d like Makar. Pettersson is a 100 plus point (soon to be) Selke type player at 24 years old. That's another huge piece similar to Mackinnon. And now we have an opportunity to add another Pettersson/Hughes level player.

Maybe there is an example, but has there ever been a team with 2 young franchise level players that decided to go full rebuild instead of building around those players?

For the sake of argument, let’s say:

Pettersson = MacKinnon
Miller = Landeskog?
Hughes = Makar (a worse version, though)
Kuzmenko = Nuke (production-wise)

These comparables are obviously generous and lean in Colorado’s favour.

We need our Toews (Hronek maybe?), but then there’s still Girard, Byram (apparently played big minutes and was one of their best players in the last two playoff rounds), Rantanen, Kadri, Lehkonen, Compher, etc. Those are some difficult players to add, never mind cap issues that our team faces.

 

[Cupless44]

How in bloody Hell did we end up with Swedish Jim Benning? How is this timeline even possible.

LOL so true

 

[Hit the post]

I joked that Rutherford was so dumb he couldn't bother to look at Capfriendly before joining the team - as he continually complains that managing the cap is too hard.

I guess Allvin is also incapable of checking Capfriendly before acquiring a player. Hronek is not under contract for two more years.

Well technically he's speaking the truth. The two years in question are 2023 & 2024. He didn't say two full seasons.

 

[Bubbles]

This franchise just hates 2nd rounders. That's like 15 traded away in the last 20 years.

"Draft picks this year? What do they mean?" - Frankie Corrado

 

[Hit the post]

This franchise just hates 2nd rounders. That's like 15 traded away in the last 20 years.

"Draft picks this year? What do they mean?" - Frankie Corrado

Frankie was a 5th round pick.

 

[iFan]

Drance didnt
Only guy who asks hard questions and doesnt lob softballs.
And you could see Alvin getting agitated when he answered

Drance is a bit of a drama queen, he can be a bit much at times and always focuses too much on the negativity for obvious reason, it gets reactions and views. I can’t remember when he was ok or happy with anything. Honesty the worse thing a person can do is getting too caught up with media of any kind… they’re very toxic.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

lol, it's actually insane.

I turn 30 on Monday and the last 10 years canucks wise has been so f***ing bad and it never changes lol

You are where I was 10 years ago Bgav. You're like me back when I was even more naive.

Me? Well, i'm gonna follow Connor Bedard soon. That kid actually wants to be a winner.

For the sake of argument, let’s say:

Pettersson = MacKinnon
Miller = Landeskog?
Hughes = Makar (a worse version, though)
Kuzmenko = Nuke (production-wise)

These comparables are obviously generous and lean in Colorado’s favour.

We need our Toews (Hronek maybe?), but then there’s still Girard, Byram (apparently played big minutes and was one of their best players in the last two playoff rounds), Rantanen, Kadri, Lehkonen, Compher, etc. Those are some difficult players to add, never mind cap issues that our team faces.

Yes so a much lesser version of a team that already exists, I agree.

 

[Gurn]

lol, it's actually insane.

I turn 30 on Monday and the last 10 years canucks wise has been so f***ing bad and it never changes lol

I'm 58, and to me this trainwreck looks like another 2 years before the owner/management will even recognize they have problems; and then 3 years, minimum of fixing .

Happy birthday!

 

[The Optimist]

Drance is a bit of a drama queen, he can be a bit much at times and always focuses too much on the negativity for obvious reason, it gets reactions and views. I can’t remember when he was ok or happy with anything. Honesty the worse thing a person can do is getting too caught up with media of any kind… they’re very toxic.

I mean has there been anything to be happy about in the last 10 years?

Drance is the new Botchford. I rarely disagree with Drance lately. Easily the best member of media Vancouver has.

 

[canuckking1]

That top 15 first rounder probably wont even be on the team for another 3-4 years.

The most glaring need on the team was a young RHD...They didnt have any in the system, and had to pay the piper to get one.

Pure retool move...as what they've said all along

The issue is who they targeted. I disagree with the retooling on the fly method, but I understand the reasoning. The real issue is that they squandered their only assets on another undersized defender who has issues in his own zone. It's also how they keep adding Cap without removing it. It's put them in a position where they have next to no flexibility