Management Thread | The Song Remains the Same Edition

[geebaan]

I’d swap Boeser for Dumba simply cause if Dumba keeps sucking you can just let him go to Free Agency. Gets you right outta that contract.

 

[gringo]

They added like 50 people to the front office at management level and now theyre confused about where the leaks are coming from??

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

I never thought getting rid of Benning would turn out to be such a tire fire. This all but confirms that he was an Aquillini puppet. Crazy how ownership tarnished a fan base that was pretty solid and destroyed his own NHL Hockey team this last decade.

We literally went to the finals in 2011 and had the best team in the league with a huge consecutive sellout streak. This guys out here playing a Hockey pool hunch and he’s toxic, why hasn’t the family stepped in?

 

[rypper]

I never thought getting rid of Benning would turn out to be such a tire fire. This all but confirms that he was an Aquillini puppet. Crazy how ownership tarnished a fan base that was pretty solid and destroyed his own NHL Hockey team this last decade.

We literally went to the finals in 2011 and had the best team in the league with a huge consecutive sellout streak. This guys out here playing a Hockey pool hunch and he’s toxic, why hasn’t the family stepped in?

Because he can do less damage with his little hockey team toy then any other of the families endeavors.

 

[lawrence]

What a f***ing circus. This is like some Trump Admin level tomfoolery.



The f*** is he going to do? Kidnap their kids? Poison their dog?

Canucks hire inspector gadget to figure out whois leaking these rumours.

Didn’t dhaliwal report it was Alvin that said he would take the best offer for bo ? There’s your leak you morons. Hiding in plain site.

 

[F A N]

an underrated source of leaks is the aquafamily. not necessarily aquaman, but also the brothers and various kids and friends. the bigger the transaction the more likely they would hear about it. it makes sense they would have known about tochett if aquaman flew to vegas.

But why now?

Vegas is one of the easiest cities to fly to without anyone suspecting that he's going there to interview Tocchet.
FA has been able to "conduct his business" without anything like this happening. Just a year ago, he was able to talk to Boudreau. While Boudreau was one of the names being talked about as a potential replacement for Green, nothing was confirmed. I think Boudreau even went on 650 IIRC and he was never asked "are you the next head coach of the Vancouver Canucks?" at the time reports were saying coaches don't want to come here to coach. We know from Rutherford that FA flew to Rutherford's home before Benning and Green were fired and not an inkling of this was reported.

 

[m9]

What are these leaks that people are concerned about?

Are there any that can't be tied back to someone obvious, like an agent?

 

[sting101]

Of course its agents. They don't have an obligation to the organization.

When a team is playing bad and things are going to crap of course the narratives are gonna be of discontent drama and wanting out.

Aquilini started playing President the minute he took Gillis' power away. The Trevor Linden hiring the direction of chasing a Bruins like team with Benning was his while his father was alive. As Linden started to learn and realize that the 2 step plan wasn't going to work they pushed him out and Linden got out of dodge. Benning was a puppet and now when JR gets hired with a decent amount of core pieces in place they once again have to fight for a correct path.

10 fuxxing years while we all knew that it was almost impossible for it not to fail, while they got extremely lucky to get Pettersson and Hughes yet they still messed up even having built a playoff team.

Is it too much to ask for competency

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Rutherford should know how to stop leaks:

 

[brock hughes007]

JR said that this team needed major surgery. So when does this happen.We traded Bo,but Bo was not the issue,his contract status was.
We still have sulking ,temper tantrum Miller,that should be moved before his NM clause kicks In.Also many other mistakes that are in this line up.When does this major surgery happen.

 

[Nucker101]

JR said that this team needed major surgery. So when does this happen.We traded Bo,but Bo was not the issue,his contract status was.
We still have sulking ,temper tantrum Miller,that should be moved before his NM clause kicks In.Also many other mistakes that are in this line up.When does this major surgery happen.

He says a lot of things.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

JR said that this team needed major surgery. So when does this happen.We traded Bo,but Bo was not the issue,his contract status was.
We still have sulking ,temper tantrum Miller,that should be moved before his NM clause kicks In.Also many other mistakes that are in this line up.When does this major surgery happen.

Think he means FA.

 

[theguardianII]

I never thought getting rid of Benning would turn out to be such a tire fire. This all but confirms that he was an Aquillini puppet. Crazy how ownership tarnished a fan base that was pretty solid and destroyed his own NHL Hockey team this last decade.

We literally went to the finals in 2011 and had the best team in the league with a huge consecutive sellout streak. This guys out here playing a Hockey pool hunch and he’s toxic, why hasn’t the family stepped in?

Please explain how he managed to do that? By phone?

As an owner that stayed out of the hockey side what did he do? He opened the vault and let Benning do all those stupid things he did.

You have to be a Benning lover to think otherwise or you have some other agenda.

 

[EpochLink]

I never thought getting rid of Benning would turn out to be such a tire fire. This all but confirms that he was an Aquillini puppet. Crazy how ownership tarnished a fan base that was pretty solid and destroyed his own NHL Hockey team this last decade.

We literally went to the finals in 2011 and had the best team in the league with a huge consecutive sellout streak. This guys out here playing a Hockey pool hunch and he’s toxic, why hasn’t the family stepped in?

Luigi has reached the stages of Al Davis, pure senile.
The other brothers look like they don't have any authority in hockey operation say.
Looks like the old man put Frankie in charge of this team...at his age, whatever.

If by some chance the NHL forces his idiot to sell, I'm all for it.

 

[EverTheCynic]

Petey walking would be the wake up call this org needs. At this point, I can't fathom him signing anything but a 1 year contract that walks him to UFA.

Please, Petey. Save yourself and save this franchise. Leave, and be really rude about it. Tell the world how much it sucked playing for this team. Nothing short of a dagger to the heart will save us.

 

[timw33]

Petey walking would be the wake up call this org needs. At this point, I can't fathom him signing anything but a 1 year contract that walks him to UFA.

Please, Petey. Save yourself and save this franchise. Leave, and be really rude about it. Tell the world how much it sucked playing for this team. Nothing short of a dagger to the heart will save us.

Probably one of the biggest hinge-points in modern franchise history is July 1st 2023 when he's eligible for an extension. He holds the hammer on the path forward.

 

[tantalum]

Let's be honest the media is absolutely hyper focused on anything to do with the team. A good chunk of that is self inflicted but an equally if not larger chunk is that the media knows they can blow anything up and get views.

Many organizations have leakers and no one really cares about besides the organization itself. Those organizations also look to figure out who the moles are. No story is written. No on cares.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Please explain how he managed to do that? By phone?

As an owner that stayed out of the hockey side what did he do? He opened the vault and let Benning do all those stupid things he did.

You have to be a Benning lover to think otherwise or you have some other agenda.

All you kidding me? What Rock did you just crawl out under of? He didn’t stay out of any Hockey decisions then or now, it is public knowledge and I suggest you do a little research.

 

[theguardianII]

All you kidding me? What Rock did you just crawl out under of? He didn’t stay out of any Hockey decisions then or now, it is public knowledge and I suggest you do a little research.

I am going to post what I hate seeing all the time.

Prove it.

Where is the evidence of his choice or Eriksson, Beagle, Rousell, Toffoli, letting Tanev, Markstrom and all the other vets leave for nothing?

Prove it because I couldn't find one iota of evidence that he was talking to any agents or players or GMs' or any where any past GM has stated he was overruled.

The Captain Obvious evidence that he wants the team to win is just that most owners want their teams to win. And there is plenty of evidence of other owners making decisions hockey related. Nashville, Minnesota, Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, Anaheim, Washington

So what is there? I say he didn't, you said he has all the time so it is on you to find something solid instead of hesaid@twitter.com

 

[valkynax]

I am going to post what I hate seeing all the time.

Prove it.

Where is the evidence of his choice or Eriksson, Beagle, Rousell, Toffoli, letting Tanev, Markstrom and all the other vets leave for nothing?

Prove it because I couldn't find one iota of evidence that he was talking to any agents or players or GMs' or any where any past GM has stated he was overruled.

The Captain Obvious evidence that he wants the team to win is just that most owners want their teams to win. And there is plenty of evidence of other owners making decisions hockey related. Nashville, Minnesota, Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, Anaheim, Washington

So what is there? I say he didn't, you said he has all the time so it is on you to find something solid instead of hesaid@twitter.com

This is gonna sound long and rambling, my apologies ahead of time.

My take has always been: there's blames to be shared by both GM/Pres and Fredolini here. And these days I feel like it can extended to other levels of the organization in between.

I think the problem (that thankfully I'm seeing less and less these days) is that whenever criticism of one side is brought up, there are people who immediately assumes that the original speaker is trying to weasel the other side from being held accountable. I saw quite a lot of that back then when people called out JEB for his bullshit, some would blame it all on Fredolini.

Now aside from all the rumors that's been circling around for years and years, I myself have not seen any solid proof or direct accusations of Fredolini affecting hockey decisions on the team. But the rumors are starting to become harder to ignore completely. Put that aside, I think at the very least, Fredolini is at fault for hiring the wrong people. Because if he's so dead set on win now, the only people he will hire are the ones who either share his delusions or those who need a job and are too spineless to tell Fredolini the truth. And if he wants a win so bad he cannot bear the thought of losing a bit now for greater gain in the future, then he's failed at formulating a proper vision for a cup winning team. Of course, this would not have been too horrible if he hired competent people...we all know how JEB and John Weisdumb turned out, and the jury is still out on Moleman and Alv, though so far it's not looking particularly good (probably gonna wait til TDL ends I guess).

Not gonna straight up say you're wrong or anything like that, and myself included probably exaggerated Fredolini's influence on the team's operations and performance. But I do believe that Fredolini should share some blames of the shit show this organization is in, and if after firing JEB and having had 4 coaches plus a new GM/pres, the team's not looking any different, the focus will inevitably be on Fredolini's ass.

 

[BrentSopelsHair]

So he was part of the solution not part of the problem… I guess it’s just that easy to explain away

I don't even get the point that you're making. If you're saying that Horvat's inability to push this team to success in spite of the team constantly digging downwards is indicative of him being a bad captain and a problem player, then I imagine you see every Canuck from the last 10 years in the same light hey?

It is inarguable that Horvat was one of the few bright lights in the Canucks franchise for the past 10 years. One of the very few players who actually improved during their Canucks tenure, was an accountable presence in the locker room after a zillion losses (which I can actually understand not valuing, but it's a testament to his character that he never bitched out and shied away), was ever-present at community initiatives, and was actually a valuable player on the ice. Just stating that he's a problem because the team wasn't successful is incredibly myopic thinking

 

[BrentSopelsHair]

If that is what you expect , you have just demonstrated to everyone how worthless your analysis is. It's the Slum Lords or have you been asleep for the last 40 years?

Pardon? Are you saying that it's ridiculous and worthless to expect that a management team might analyze other successful franchises and try to emulate them?

And I can't for the life of me make out whatever point you think you're making in the second sentence, I am nowhere close to understanding. A very opaque and angry post, really makes your point seem smart and well-reasoned

Gee ,where does want start with a victimhood rant like this? Face facts, Aliu wasn't good enough end of story. As for racism in the sport, if you could read. I never denied it's existence, I don't buy this particular race card claim by Aliu ,that he isn't in the league because of systemic racism blah blah blah. How come there aren't more South Asians in the NHL? Is that racism too? Is every player of colour who doesn't make NHL a victim of racism? The NHL cares about one thing as Gary "The Dirt Bag" Bettman has proven.$$$$$$$$. Kyle Beach, oh boo hoo, ban a couple of people and fine the team a few million. Any real punishment? LMAO The NHL doesn't care if you are purple with pink polka dots if you make the league money. Oh and Jake Virtanen was a top 5 pick so there goes your argument about Aliu being touted, means nothing until you prove it on the ice.


What points? He brought up stuff totally unrelated to racism or can you not understand written English? You are demonstrating the typical I don't like this person so let's imply he is a racist. It isn't hard to imply what you are by what you post.

The volume of whataboutism nonsense topics you're reaching for here is honestly staggering, definite creativity points. Sure you didn't deny the existence of racism in hockey, you just deny that it affects non-white players (I bet you think you're slick). It's like saying "I'm not a climate changed denier, I just don't think that climate change is going to affect anyone at all".

Saying that the NHL only cares about money makes it seem like your point is that OF COURSE the NHL would allow a non-white star player to be a star in the league because they would drive revenue, indicating that they are not racist. However, the issue here, especially with Akim Aliu, is that he was a fringe NHLer and his race emphatically was a data point when decision makers throughout his career were making decisions that altered the course of his career. That in and of itself is racism, as he was deemed as someone who wouldn't fit as part of a team because he wouldn't accept being called slurs. Most often non-white players need to be exceptional in order to succeed, rather than being able to succeed as an average player in the league. There are of course players who have done just that like DSP, Mike Grier, Wayne Simmonds, etc, but their success is not conclusive evidence against racism in hockey.

Also, let's be honest, the Virtanen comparison is extremely stupid. Please honestly consider whether Virtanen would have gotten as much leeway as he did if he was not a white guy from Canada.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Was reading something yesterday and that according to Ben Kuzma(who I don't like) but he's saying the Wild and Devils are interested in a trade for Brock according to the agent for Brock. If true that's good news hopefully something can be done.

Boeser’s name has been linked to many trade destinations, but the Devils and Wild make the most sense. His agent, Ben Hankinson, told Postmedia on Monday he continues to help the Canucks hockey operations department find a destination and that he has talked to New Jersey and Minnesota.

Hankinson also said those clubs have shown interest, but there are a lot of moving parts.

New Canuck Anthony Beauvillier gets prime lineup spot to boost scoring shot

 

[MS]

I don't even get the point that you're making. If you're saying that Horvat's inability to push this team to success in spite of the team constantly digging downwards is indicative of him being a bad captain and a problem player, then I imagine you see every Canuck from the last 10 years in the same light hey?

It is inarguable that Horvat was one of the few bright lights in the Canucks franchise for the past 10 years. One of the very few players who actually improved during their Canucks tenure, was an accountable presence in the locker room after a zillion losses (which I can actually understand not valuing, but it's a testament to his character that he never bitched out and shied away), was ever-present at community initiatives, and was actually a valuable player on the ice. Just stating that he's a problem because the team wasn't successful is incredibly myopic thinking

Great posts.

Captaincies are stupid and the expectations fans put on captains are stupid and it leads to the sort of thinking you're referencing above.

Bo Horvat's job was to go out and play hard and lead by example on and off the ice. He did that. But he isn't a magician who can somehow create a defensive system for a team or the personnel to play it, and absolutely nobody was going to hold this thing together after the 2020 shocking reset.

 

[BrentSopelsHair]

JR said that this team needed major surgery. So when does this happen.We traded Bo,but Bo was not the issue,his contract status was.
We still have sulking ,temper tantrum Miller,that should be moved before his NM clause kicks In.Also many other mistakes that are in this line up.When does this major surgery happen.

When something needs major surgery, you don't usually just cut off the parts that are actually working and then pat yourself on the back for a job well-done