LW Jimmy Vesey (2012, 66th, NSH; 2016 UFA, NYR)
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Buddy, the guy was 22 and A SENIOR.
And no he wasn't the most well rounded player in College hockey.
Maybe if he put up those numbers as a Freshman or Sophomore maybe.
The ECAC isn't even that good compared to NCAC or Hockey East.
Eg:} A Vancouver draft pick put up better numbers as a freshman in the tougher NCAC.
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You clearly do not follow college hockey very closely, especially because there's no such thing as the NCAC. HE and NCHC have better prospects, sure, but are overall younger teams. He won the Hobey Baker, if you know what that is, playing for a mediocre team with mediocre teammates. Don't forget your Vancouver draft pick was playing with Nick Schmaltz and Drake Cagguila, compare them to what Vesey had to play with haha. Vesey was the most complete player in college hockey this year.
ECAC: Four NCAA finalists in the past four years and two NCAA Champions. The ECAC does okay.
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Wanting to finish your degree at Harvard = piss poor attitude, according to the jealous drop outs.
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Because he wanted to go back to school and get a degree after already spending three years of his life and putting in so much effort into his schooling? That seriously means he has a poor attitude?
May I ask what you would have done in that scenario?
And he has every right to go to free agency, just like any other player under his conditions. Does every other player who left their team to test free agency also have an attitude issue?
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Yup. Sad how this has been spun around to make it seem like he's a brat or that he's a self-entitled *****.
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Kyle Connor's year was 10X more impressive than Vesey's while being 3 and 1/2 years younger.
& people think this guy was the best player in College hockey
Give me a break.
The Hobey Baker has always been a popularity contest without looking at real accomplishments.
& people think this guy was the best player in College hockey
Give me a break.
The Hobey Baker has always been a popularity contest without looking at real accomplishments.
How is it a popularity contest? Public votes for the nominees and they have voters that vote among those nominees. I am guessing the voters watch college hockey much more than you do. So their opinions certainly have much more credence than yours which is likely derived by checking their hockeydb page.
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Played Division 1 college hockey for the Pioneers for 4 years....... So I doubt it.
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Yeah it's because they didn't want to give it to a freshman 2 years in a row.
Even though the criteria says it shouldn't take into account a players entire NCAA career when in fact that's what the panel does just because he decided to go back to school for another year.
8 of the last 10 Hobey Bakers winners have been seniors. Which means they clearly have a bias towards to players who finish their college education, which there is nothing wrong with.
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Answer me this, honestly and as unbiased as you can, should we care about Vessey? Feels like a lot of people are hanging on his every move and I don't understand why.
Because some places are willing to rate him as one of the better prospects in hockey, and he'll be a UFA soon. Remember these rankings don't include 2016 picks, but Button had him as the 8th best prospect (behind Nylander, Strome, Dvorak, Provorov, Connor, Marner and Aho) which was released in mid February. THN (voted on by 10 scouts) had at 14 (behind Strome, Nylander, Marner, Provorov, Rantanen, Werenski, Samsonov, Zacha, Connor, Dvorak, Ritchie, Theodore and Barzal). Looking at that, it would appear he has the value of atleast a mid-round 1st, and almost any team would want that for nothing more than the cost of an ELC. The only other mid-year ranking was Pronman's, who wasn't high on him, and he was unranked.
Most posters here are interested in prospects there team either has or can possibly get, which is why people are paying attention to Vesey.
I just don't understand how someone can come to that conclusion when he has only played in college. Has he played in any international tournaments?
He was on the gold medal 2013 WJC USA team where he got 5 points in 7 games, and was at last years World Championships (3 points in 9 games). I'm not saying their ranking is correct, but there are reasons to be interested, but when a former GM and a polling of scouts has a guy ranked in the top 15 of drafted prospects (prior to this draft), its probably worth paying attention to.
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It's funny when you see that Vesey had a better junior year but was blown out by more by a PREDRAFT year freshman. Imagine Eichel 4 years of development older in that position lol.
And now we wait for this guy to decide whether it's worth it for him to play with that vastly superior player who either had to go where he was drafted or literally waste 3 years sitting in a league he completely destroyed already. A league that rewards a 24 year old who had a slight regression over a different young player who tore it up and also had to either turn pro or spin his wheels in a league he already outgrew.
What a system.
At least we can look forward to the comedy of Toronto telling him they won't be offering him max bonuses because Lou said so. If we could get a photo of Vesey's face when they do it'd actually be worth it.
