And then he'll get traded to some team who can afford him, and then fade away into being a nobody when they realize he's not that good.
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And then he'll get traded to some team who can afford him, and then fade away into being a nobody when they realize he's not that good.
ELC contracts are pre-defined by the CBA in terms of length. It has to be a two year deal, no more, no less. From the sounds of it, everybody offered up the max bonus package allowed along with the max guaranteed salary (925K).
It is a big decision. He heard pitches on Tuesday/Wednesday. I don't think it's absurd that he'll need 48+ hours to digest everything. Realistically he probably had a couple favorites heading into the meetings, but maybe he got swayed after meeting with everybody.
It's just getting more coverage since there isn't anything else to report about. A few years back, a less heralded NCAA free agent Antoine Laganaire had seven offers on the table. He needed three days to mull things over before signing. That didn't get as much coverage since Laganaire became UFA in April just as the NHL playoffs were starting.
There isn't a huge difference between signing on August 17th vs August 20th. Training camp is still going to be mid-September.
Now Steve Conroy from the Boston Herald is reporting that other teams are still involved. Earlier reports seem to be inaccurate.
https://twitter.com/conroyherald/status/766682649926766592?lang=en
IronMarshal
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Vesey to the Blueshirts according to Conroy:
https://twitter.com/conroyherald/status/766755490965561344
https://twitter.com/conroyherald/status/766755490965561344
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BodaciousBeefBazooka
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Is he the next Crosby or something? A lot of unnecessary hype the last few weeks. I mean he's 24 and now he will be getting a legit shot in the NHL.
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Free "prospect" available who won the Hobey Baker (bad history, but last two winners are high end players already) for free. Gonna generate a lot of discussion
He also isn't 24
BodaciousBeefBazooka
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Gaudreau is younger than Vesey and he's already played 2 seasons in NHL. He also had 2 PPG during his Hobey Baker season, as did Eichel. Vesey's scoring rate was bottom of the pile in comparison to these two, he also is ancient.
Thinking that he'll get close to Eichel or Gaudreau is seriously illogical.
Thinking that he'll get close to Eichel or Gaudreau is seriously illogical.
Who was hyping him? 80% of the posts in the Vesey threads weren't really about Vesey and just fans arguing about why their team was the most attractive.
He's an older prospect who might be able to step into a top 6 role at a very cheap price, which was why several teams made a pitch before he chose the Rangers. Nashville tried to lure him after his junior season with the potential of him playing regular minutes in the playoffs.
With how the CBA was written, Vesey had to wait until August 16th to become a free agent. There's typically not a ton of hockey news to talk about, so his free agent talks became a focal point almost by default.
Previous guys like Blake Wheeler and Justin Schultz chose this route, but had some benefit that they became free agents while the playoffs were still going. So while they got some press, most of the attention was still on the teams vying for the Cup.
We've seen other guys like Danny DeKeyser transition into solid NHLers at the same age. Maybe some misguided folks are expecting Vesey to be an overnight All-Star, but he'll have a chance to be an immediate contributor.
Yeah, pretty sure he's not going to be an all-star or something...but if he can contribute 20 goals, 40-50 points, that's a fantastic contribution in the NHL these days. Even 15 goals, 35 points in a third line role is a pretty good deal for a guy you pick up for nothing but some cap space.
Also, the whole thing about going UFA basically comes down to some guys are in a position where it makes sense for them to go the full 4 years of college and if they do, they have a chance to decide where they want to play. Some will stay with the team that drafted them and some won't, but most will sign before that anyways because otherwise they're basically leaving money on the table. The incentive to sign a contract with the team that drafted you before you become an UFA is possibly millions of dollars in career earnings. Until it becomes a situation where tons of high quality prospects are passing up millions of dollars to play an extra year or two in college and go UFA, I don't think the "loophole" is much of an issue. It will continue to happen from time to time with some players but ultimately not that often. It's also a reminder (in my mind) to teams that part of their development job is to provide an attractive place to play for their prospects...drafting a player doesn't exactly mean you own their soul, so part of your development process should be cultivating a reputation and culture as a place that players and prospects want to come to.
Finally, I don't think you can just "close the loophole" since it's basically the same rule that allows CHL players or others to become UFA's after 4 years as well and is likely something that is negotiated in the CBA, the league can't just change it without opposition from the players union. The fact that you can't sign a college player until they're ready to leave college isn't a NHL decisions and I think if they could have it the other way they'd do it in a second. That's the real way to "fix" the situation but it's been shown many times before that the NCAA is terrible
Also, the whole thing about going UFA basically comes down to some guys are in a position where it makes sense for them to go the full 4 years of college and if they do, they have a chance to decide where they want to play. Some will stay with the team that drafted them and some won't, but most will sign before that anyways because otherwise they're basically leaving money on the table. The incentive to sign a contract with the team that drafted you before you become an UFA is possibly millions of dollars in career earnings. Until it becomes a situation where tons of high quality prospects are passing up millions of dollars to play an extra year or two in college and go UFA, I don't think the "loophole" is much of an issue. It will continue to happen from time to time with some players but ultimately not that often. It's also a reminder (in my mind) to teams that part of their development job is to provide an attractive place to play for their prospects...drafting a player doesn't exactly mean you own their soul, so part of your development process should be cultivating a reputation and culture as a place that players and prospects want to come to.
Finally, I don't think you can just "close the loophole" since it's basically the same rule that allows CHL players or others to become UFA's after 4 years as well and is likely something that is negotiated in the CBA, the league can't just change it without opposition from the players union. The fact that you can't sign a college player until they're ready to leave college isn't a NHL decisions and I think if they could have it the other way they'd do it in a second. That's the real way to "fix" the situation but it's been shown many times before that the NCAA is terrible
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Three point night tonight so far. 6G and 3A in 10 games. Kid has been fire lately. I think he has surpassed just about every Rangers fan's expectations.
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It's awesome because I love it when the Rangers are evil. I hope we convince more guys to tell their drafted teams to **** off.
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