The issue is they want you to renew your STH before March 31st without really seeing what may transpire concerning the possibilities you have mentioned. DC still around and I do not see a whole lot of improvement.
Ottawa 67s 2024-25 Season Thread, Part III
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beastintheeast
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Before you say that Boyd shipped him, the question that is still unknown is what the situation would have been for a line to play on as well as a team.
Kingston has centers that can play center as well as some other good players to take the heat off.
Also, don't discount the difference in coaches. Mann would want him to score and keep him. If Uronen had the year he is having, Boyd would have traded him unless DC decided to put him on the second line and have him work on his defence.
I would like to see someone trade for Korbler, like Niagara, and see how he does with a different coach and system.
Sounds like a WJC coach I read about.
If I was in Ottawa I would be waiting to renew my STH first to see what the team has and also because there is little chance someone is going to buy them LOL
I still think that the best thing that could happen is for DC to announce that he has decided to retire after this year. I know many here think I am wrong, but I still believe that if DC is the coach going into the draft and after, a few of the agents will ask Boyd to pass on their players. The top 10 drafted, especially, all have NHL in their eyes, and so far, DC has not developed a single NHL star or top-round pick.
Goal-scoring, offensive-minded kids are not going to want to come here and sit on the bench.
You talk about NCAA players turning delaying. Why would you ifyou canstart youre education ans play learning a NCAA system or play on the sad sack 67's
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I think they are going to have a hard time with renewals. In talking with people around me yesterday, I know of 6 STH (me being one) that have voiced concerns to their account rep about the direction of the team going forward. All have said coaching and GM are their biggest concerns. I really think once the 67s are eliminated, brass is going to have to come out and talk with STHs.
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Not being able to trade Pinelli is the biggest issue. It sent the wrong message.
Had they been able to trade Pinelli, they’d have been able to communicate that this is a rebuilding year and they’d then be able to focus on the future. Had they been able to make a deal with Barrie for Vaughn, they’d could have put all their efforts behind hyping him. The fans would feel that sense of future on the horizon.
Their inability to get an impact player for Mews coupled with Pinelli untraded has created a scenario where the team looks like it his no direction and no future. Now, their only silver lining is linked to making the playoffs. From a PR perspective, keeping Pinelli and missing the playoff is a horrible result for the management. It really is a nail in the coffin for them from my perspective. You cannot overlook that.
Amidovski hasn’t made an impact yet either. I think he will take a step forward next year and things will be ok with him but his current level of production isn’t helping.
The Dave Cameron WJHC issue with Team Canada is a horrible distraction behind the scenes.
Another negative has been their inability to sign a top flight NCAA commit. They have signed a few of the mid to late round draft picks. They aren’t what we would call impact but, they do have a bunch of ‘07s signed and on roster. Unfortunately, none of them have provided any sort of consistent production. I do like a few of them and they are serviceable so hopefully a couple can come in next year and make a true impact. I think Kingwell could be one that has a shot at being a real player.
All that said, they do have some depth of bodies, especially in that ‘07 group. I don’t think things are quite as bad as they seem. They do need to find an elite centre. There is no way around it. It is a key element. That player doesn’t’ need to produce at an elite level next year but they do need a t least one young one that they can build around. If they can go out and find one, they can potentially salvage something.
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Well, that’s likely it. Shorthanded all year, PK a disaster, not good enough when it mattered, and not able to make moves to build for the future. As mentioned the combination of not trading Pinelli and then missing the playoffs is a worst of all worlds combination. This team was short on skill, and a top-2 draft position would make all the difference this spring…but if we finish 17th we only have a 10% chance in the lottery. It doesn’t look like we can finish lower than 18th.
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Amidovski and al rookieson this team suffer fromone thing. DC.s inability to coach rookies and develop players,
DC can only coach when he has enough senior players
This game in itself leaves me with questions.
Whitehead is supposed to be a center and has been but did not take 1 faceoff instead they had Varlas foster and Dever.
I think not only are the fans ready to see DC go but there are players and parents that want him out as well probably.
This is a team that should be building lines for the future the young guns should be getting ice time
Ekberg should have been on a first line instead of Korbler.
Trading Pinelli would have allowed the rookies to get more ice time even if they did not get any star players they would have had space.
A player that thinks oence is not going to want to come here.
The WJHC was not just a distraction but it showed ED's inability to coach top plyers with ofence.
The worst case scenario would be DC stays as coach and the 67's draft first over all to have the pick advise that he wants to be traded. That would or should be the end for Boyd and DC as wells the 67s.
I think after the game DC has to announce his retirement or Ottawa has to announce that they are ending his contract.
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20th - 40%
19th - 30%
18th - 20%
17th - 10%
Last year, the final standings were:
20th - Niagara (4th)
19th - Windsor (1st)
18th - Peterborough (3rd)
17th - Sarnia (2nd)
Niagara had the best chances and finished with the 4th pick. Sarnia with a 10% chance ended up with the 2nd pick. Anything can happen.
As of right now, Ottawa will likely end up in the 17th or 18th spot. I highly doubt Guelph or Peterborough catch them. That said, Ottawa has a really tough schedule the rest of the way. It would not surprise me if they ran out the season with no additional points. Guelph has a relatively weak schedule the rest of the way and games in hand. I doubt it will matter but it is something to keep an eye on.
The same thing is happening around me 4 STH are definitely leaving. In addition my wife and I may do the same. I am sure their are many more hesitating with the upcoming renewals.
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Is it because of poor performance this year, expected poor performance next year, or a lack of direction?
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Lack of direction for me is the most frustrating. I’ll likely renew anyhow (I am a sucker for junior hockey), but I wish this team had a clear plan and path back to contention. Picturing this team without Pinelli and Mayich next year, no one on the roster seeming primed to start scoring at a high level anytime soon, and questionable asset management are all reasons to doubt that we are on our way anywhere but perennially fighting for 8th.
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Ekberg - Foster(OA) - Kingwell
Amidovski - Dever(OA) - Kelly
Barlas(OA) - Whitehead - Yanni
Houben - Bowes - Perrier
Souliere
Marrelli - Eshkawkogan
Jackson - Avila
Dietsch - Brady
White - Bonomo
Nelson
They have a lot of bodies. Again, the lack of natural centres is concerning. But, there is always the improvement based on advancing age and experience. So, guys like Ekberg, Kingwell, Amidovski, Whitehead, and Yanni should make more of an impact next year.
Ad an early Import pick, an early Priority Selection pick, and hopefully a good U-18 early pick as well as one NCAA commit, and we could start to look at least like a team on a decent trajectory. Will that team be competitive next year? No. It would probably be around .500 but at least they will have some decent young guys to look forward to.
From a trade asset perspective, only Marrelli would have a deadline impact. But, it isn’t likely they’d move him. I think he lines up as a solid OA prospect so other than maybe thinning out the herd and getting a few mid-round picks, there likely won’t be much in the way of flipping assets next year.
So, overall, I think you are right. But, I am not sold on them being perpetually in 8th. I think next year may be lean, yes. But, I do think there are prospects that could be competitive the following year with the right direction and support added this year.
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People come to games for a few reason.
1) talk with old friends
2) becuase it has beena family tradition
3) no other tnetertainment around.
40 they are entertained and enjoy the interaction
from what I am reading and my ownexperience.
1) most of my friends are no longer going to hockey games some moved away and sadly some passed on.
2) family traditions are not a big thing now people have different things goingon in their lives
3) there is no loack of things to do in Ottawa on a friday night Sat apr Sunday afternoon in NCC
4) a defensive team that does ot hve the offensive play or players that stand out and entertain is boring. Especially if it is losing all the time.
I may be wrong but STH are mostly long time fans and as such are gettng older and more things become interesting. Then there is the lack of parking and game day experieince. Interaction with theplayers is also important and from what I read I am not sure it is at the level it was before.
Say what you want about Dick Stef and the ex of the booster club but they always made sure that the fans were part of the team and ran things for fan interaction adn enjoyment.
I now that as Riley there were kids that wanted to come to the hockey game to dance and see Riley adn what he was going to do. There were adults that also enjoyed the terrible 2's that we put on.
Those are the things that are missing from the game. I noticed it in Kingston also when they left the M Center there was a lack of ability to enjoy. the mini games refereeed by one of the riley's was entertaining.
BUT the big thing was on the ice we had players that played well and entertained either withtheir hitting, scoring goaltending or fighting.
My biggest beef is lack of direction. Knowing you are going to lose on most given nights
is also not entertaining.
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Yes. I think the longer time STH may feel similar. I think fans can get behind a rebuild when they are prepared for a rebuild and feel like the current management is equipped to do it properly. I think there is a lot of uncertainty.
But, I don’t see a reason why fans would not renew now. I think renewing is a good option for those that like the hockey. Give the team another seaosn to work it out. See what happens. IF there is no change then I think you have your answer.
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As long as DC is behind the bench we will be perpetual botom feeders.
The idea that you are going into the year with 2 OA centers is disturbing
to me the lineup going in should be
Ekberg -Dever(OA) - Foster(OA)
Yanni - Whitehead- Kelly
Houben- Amidovski- Murata
Kingwell - Bowes - Perrier
Souliere
Marrelli - Eshkawkogan
Jackson - Avila
Dietsch - Brady
White - Bonomo
Nelson
I hate when they say forward is Murata a center or a RW we can use either
As to Barlas I am sorry but there is too much youth on this team and he does not add enough to be top 2 line.
We have players that need ice time to develop and Barlas would aonly take that away from them.
We also need to develop centers if we go with OMG plan then next year our top line center willhave played little important ice time minutes or faceoffs. and we would have o one to fill the 2nd or 3rd line.
There is a reason that Kingswell was an 11th round pick and while he has shinedon this team I really think that even @OMG67 would shine on this team lol.
We need to draft offensive minded players that hae skill at center or RW. We really do ot need any defenceman next year.
The same goes with the Euro draft. We need a palyer that can score goals a Rossi or at least a Rohrer
BUT I know I sound like a scratched record but we need a new coach with new coaching ideas inorder for this towork at all..
@OMG67 the reason not to renew or hold off is the same reason that we worry about direction. The team is boring the coach is boring and teh drafting has been boring.
With the price of tickets that is money athat can be spent in other areas and for just as much if not more bang for the buck.
They hve given Boyud and the staff 5 years and the product has gotten worse. I can think of other more enjoyable things to watch at a lower price than 610.
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Regardless of how you dole out the blame, you feel for the players and coaching staff after a game like today. That is one long bus ride home after you know that you just blew your season, and that you simply weren't good enough.
I know it is great sport to scapegoat Dave Cameron, but to me that is misplaced. James Boyd and his staff wear this one as far as I am concerned. Drafting simply hasn't been good enough, both in the Midget and the Import draft. Let's look at the drafting of Henry Brzustewicz - we take him and he almost immediately defects, which we are told was a deliberate strategy of Boyd to be able to trade a player he knew wouldn't report and bank extra picks. So we trade him, and in his draft year he is predictably having an outstanding season for London. What have we done with the "bounty" of picks we got in return? Not a lot from what I can see. We absolutely have to make those high picks count and find some diamonds in the rough in the late rounds. And again, two seasons of Kimi Korbler as one of your import slots on the roster? That's a waste of a roster spot that absolutely has to be producing for you. And finally, keeping Pinelli and then missing the playoffs anyway is straight up management malpractice no matter what kind of song and dance they might give you. They had a duty to move him out for some assets, but then left it too late and got left with nothing. You can't call yourself a competent GM and then allow blunders like that to happen on your watch.
I'd actually feel better if Boyd came out and admitted that this season was a write off and took responsibility. At least then I would know that he is self aware and willing to be honest. But no - we will almost certainly get a litany of excuses, intermingled with gaslighting trying to tell us that the team wasn't as bad as its record showed. (It was.)
I know it is great sport to scapegoat Dave Cameron, but to me that is misplaced. James Boyd and his staff wear this one as far as I am concerned. Drafting simply hasn't been good enough, both in the Midget and the Import draft. Let's look at the drafting of Henry Brzustewicz - we take him and he almost immediately defects, which we are told was a deliberate strategy of Boyd to be able to trade a player he knew wouldn't report and bank extra picks. So we trade him, and in his draft year he is predictably having an outstanding season for London. What have we done with the "bounty" of picks we got in return? Not a lot from what I can see. We absolutely have to make those high picks count and find some diamonds in the rough in the late rounds. And again, two seasons of Kimi Korbler as one of your import slots on the roster? That's a waste of a roster spot that absolutely has to be producing for you. And finally, keeping Pinelli and then missing the playoffs anyway is straight up management malpractice no matter what kind of song and dance they might give you. They had a duty to move him out for some assets, but then left it too late and got left with nothing. You can't call yourself a competent GM and then allow blunders like that to happen on your watch.
I'd actually feel better if Boyd came out and admitted that this season was a write off and took responsibility. At least then I would know that he is self aware and willing to be honest. But no - we will almost certainly get a litany of excuses, intermingled with gaslighting trying to tell us that the team wasn't as bad as its record showed. (It was.)
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I agree unlike some that have defended him that Bioyd has not lived up to what we need as a GM. Unfortunaltey he never was schooled or mentored by a GM when he was learning. He to me is the last of the Mavety clan.
As to trading he has made pelty of blunders or oops but then again DC has magnified them. We in our year going for it trade for the top offensive defenceman in the league only to have DC make him play a more defensive game. He did the same thing with Mews and in my thinking Ekberg as well.
HB could be a disaster Esh is a good player but then this year we get the 29th pickin the draft noting in 26 and Londons 2nd and 3rd round pick in 27 which will both be high round picks if not put in a trade package.
Pinelli with the number of players ont he market should have been traded before the deadline possibly before the WJC break for what we could get even if it was draft picks next year and year oafter it would have been better thanthe nothing we get now.
Korbler puzzles me. For some reason he was ror is DC boy (only reason I can see tho put him on the first line and leave Ekberg the top rookie onthe 4th) I would like to see him traded to another OHL team so we can see what he can really do.
JB drafted goal scoreers adn then DC tried to make them defensive specialists with minimal ice time that is on DC.
To be honest I think OSEG has to take a long look at the whole thing before the draft adn figure out what they want to do and how they are going to placate and get the4 STH to return next year.
That is the challenge because we know that once a STH leaves it is very hard to relace them.
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You used to be a season ticket holder and stopped. SO I will ask you this
Withthe present staff that they have and the present situation. If youhad trasport to the game and the funds avail would you buy 2 seats to the game for you and tha mrsd for a night out.
I am gong to be honest and say that i would not when I lived in Ottawa I lived in Gloucester so would probably spend less money and go to the CCHL games. When I lived in Petawawa the Lumber kings were a very entertaining night out.
what do we have for draft picks this year?
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I don’t see it as quite as bad as you do. It is still bad but I don’t think the strategies have been completely off. I think there was one single fundamental mistake that Boyd made and that one mistake domino’d into a series of unfortunate circumstances.
I have stated this before. The one monumental mistake was not going at it harder in 2022-23. He left trades sitting on the table. Shane Wright was an Ottawa 67. All he needed to do was move Mews and it was done. He had a few extra bodies that could have been moved out and either draft picks added or a couple extra bodies that had more purpose. Had he made those moves, the following year would have been a retool year. He could have traded Beck without any negative blowback, drafted the defect and banked draft picks (plus Eshkawkogan as the comp pick), made a few other seller moves like the Petes did. He could have done all of that under the blanket of being an OHL Champion. All of a sudden, the outlook completely changes.
HOWEVER, he did not do that. HE left gas in the tank for the following year where he once again didn’t empty the tank. Back to back 2nd round exits because he wasn’t’ truly committed. That leads to this year where the message should have been from day one that we are rebuilding. Is that the message? Nope. “We want to be competitive.” So, what do you think the players think? They think they are supposed to be competitive. No problem, except when the deadline comes around, it is a struggle to get players on the same page.
The Deadline: Well, Pinelli drove the bus off the cliff. He wanted Kitchener (they didn’t want him) or Oshawa (Griffin wouldn’t waive his No trade). He refused to go to Barrie int he deal for Vaughn. And then something happened to crash the potential Brantford deal. The word is now pretty much out that the deal to Barrie was done during the WJHC. Then, after the tourney, the deal was presented to Pinelli and he said he wanted to go to Kitchener or Oshawa. So, Barrie pivoted to the NB deal. Boyd needed to manage that situation better. He should have known Kitchener had no interest. And he also should have known Griffin had already refused SSM. All of that should have been communicated.
Then to top it all off, because Pinelli wound’t waive, the other potential deals stopped. Foster and Dever didn’t move. The focus then became trying to gain a playoff spot.
This was all a big chain of events linked to 2022-23 when Boyd left gas in the tank, got screwed and then continued to screw himself and the team with all the events that flew out of that deadline in 2022-23.
If you look at each deal individually, it really doesn’t look bad. We got a good return for HB as a defect. Same with Beck and an OA demanding a trade to start a season. The value moved for MAyer, Mallet, and Kressler was fine. I’m not too sure about the Mews deal because I don’t know what the options are on the 7-8-9 picks. That one may end up stinking really bad but Boyd was handcuffed, didn’t read the market well, and ended up having to eat it.
Of course, I had highlighted the Import issue in the summer. Korbler scored almost all of his goals last year playing on the top line against the non-playoff teams. He wasn’t competitive enough to return. He should not have returned and anyone with any clear sense would have realized that moving an NHL draft pick for a 4th round pick to keep Korbler was insane. On top of that, we were a team pretty much void of right shooting wingers and we keep the left shooting Import and move the right shooting NHL drafted Import. Of all the individual decisions made, that was by far the dumbest move possible. AND, I wasn’t looking at Uronen as a 1.5 PPG player either. I was thinking he would be around that 60 point range. I was thinking he could be a good deadline selloff player. Imagine moving him at the deadline to Kingston? We’d have gotten much more than a 4th round pick.
This whole situation is about not committing to a competitive cycle. This is about continually keeping an eye on next year. You can be competitive while participating in a cycle. Your moves are simply coordinated to the cycle. If you look at the standings year over year, finishing .500 isn’t all that difficult for mediocre teams. You can do that or a little better 2 years with one really good year and one really poor year. That is the cycle. Fans see the cycle and understand it. They see assets go out in a Championship run year. They see sell offs when it is a poor year. They understand it. They can get behind it and maintain their support. But, this year was a disaster. Actually, like I said, the last three years of management was a disaster that has culminated in a freak show.
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My situation had nothing to do with the team itself. There was a series of incidents that culminated into one specific incident that made us decide to never return. That was around 2017 and I have not stepped foot into that rink since. Actually, I have not set foot on the Lansdowne Park grounds since. I support the hockey ops group but I do not support OSEG in any way. I said at the time that I would not step foot on the grounds of Lansdowne Park as long as OSEG is the management group there and that will remain indefinitely.
