Yeah, its basically getting a free 15 to 20th overall pick if you sign him. I'd compare it to a better version of signing Bozak. Who isn't elite by any means, but is a competent top 6 player the Leafs got for nothing. Vesey is magnified by having atleast 3 passionate fanbases in the mix. I'd actually think this is much more low key than Justin Schultz got.
LW Jimmy Vesey (2012, 66th, NSH; 2016 UFA, NYR)
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Thank you for your concise, no-more-well-informed-than-anyone-else opinion!
I don't think he's coming here, but absolutes with 0 reasoning for the opinion often come from those desiring attention.
I think NYR will offer a pretty good pitch. They seemed to lure Hayes outta Boston. Can't really guarentee him top 6 minutes, but how many teams can actually do that. It's alot of pressure to play for your hometown team, NY is close enough to Boston for his family and friends to see him. Just seems like a good fit
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He's just saying that people confuse the Hobey Baker winner as being the best player in College Hockey.
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I think what the poster was alluding to is the strong ties that Hayes had to Boston. He went to BC and he was born in Boston. By the time the courting process began the Hawks were long out of the running like the Preds in the Vesey situation. Considering that the Bruins should be the favorite to land these kids, it wouldn't exactly be inaccurate to say that the teams that land them are luring them away from Boston.
This is what I meant. Would be quick to assume these Boston boys would want to sign there and live at home. But I think theres an added pressure to that.
The Jimmy Vesey "Sweepstakes"
With the hours counting down to Jimmy Vesey can become an unrestricted free agent, we took a wild stab at breaking down the front runners, what a potential contract will look like and a brief history on Vesey himself,
https://prospectshockey.wordpress.com/2016/08/15/the-jimmy-vesey-sweepstakes/
With the hours counting down to Jimmy Vesey can become an unrestricted free agent, we took a wild stab at breaking down the front runners, what a potential contract will look like and a brief history on Vesey himself,
https://prospectshockey.wordpress.com/2016/08/15/the-jimmy-vesey-sweepstakes/
Promises and guarantees are only something fans speculate about. When have we ever heard of a player getting guaranteed top 6 minutes. The Hawks will certainly not offer that. Its true though that he should have a relatively easy path to top 6 LW considering the Hawks lack of depth at the position but you cannot make promises unless you are willing to break them.
He's just doing his homework on what is a very significant decision on a professional and personal level.
No need to think he is afraid of hard work just because he might value playing time which will help him improve, grow as a player and likely maximize his career earnings in a profession where in the best of circumstances he may only sign a few more contracts before retirement.
Jordan Leopold has almost 700 NHL games played and was at some point a top-4 D.
Same thing with Carle who was a top-4 D for a while and played over 700 NHL games.
If they are nothing player there is not a lot of something player...
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Here is an article I wrote in March discussing Vesey and why NHL teams should be more wary than they seem to be:
http://www.hockeyprophets.com/index.php/recent-analysis/135-cautionarytale
http://www.hockeyprophets.com/index.php/recent-analysis/135-cautionarytale
Lots of failures from the NCAA.
But a lot of attention for this guy. hope it works out for him and the team he signs for.
But a lot of attention for this guy. hope it works out for him and the team he signs for.
Someone made a great post on the Leafs page on reddit.
Pretty much compares him to Josh Leivo who is the same age and putting up comparable numbers but in the AHL, which I think is the harder league.
I won't really care if we don't sign him, but free is free
Pretty much compares him to Josh Leivo who is the same age and putting up comparable numbers but in the AHL, which I think is the harder league.
I won't really care if we don't sign him, but free is free
Josh Leivo is actually not even an even comparison in my opinion.
Their last season's NHLe adjusted for 82 games:
Vesey:
14 goals + 12 assists = 26 points
Leivo:
13 goals + 23 assists = 36 points.
Leivo also scored 5 points in 12 NHL games, which is in line with his NHLe. He was on pace for 34 points. Considering the amount of pro experience as well, in my opinion Leivo is a much better prospect. And even then he's for some reason not nearly as highly touted as Vesey.
Really, most people seem to only look at the best-case scenarios for comparison points. They for some reason seem to enjoy ignoring the comparisons of Vesey to undrafted NCAA players who never become pros. He was only 8th in PPG this season, in the weakest division in all of NCAA. And it's not like he's younger than his peers, either. I do not at all understand why teams would guarantee top 6 spots for a player like him. I see him as a player who can only play a top 6 role but who cannot play well enough to get it in NHL.
If he was better than I'm saying, he'd have scored much better in the weakest NCAA division especially when we consider how old he is. He barely outscored Kalle Kossila who is undrafted and as whatever-tier as they get and nowhere near NHL. Kalle Kossila also was playing in a significantly tougher division and his NHLe is much better for last season(Kalle Kossila's NHLe is 11 + 33 = 44). They are the same age.
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Pretty bad opinion. ECAC had winning records against every conference in the NCAA except B10 and WCHA, and had the 2nd highest winning percentage of any league in the NCAA last year. The NCHC had a .300 winning percentage vs. ECAC last year.
