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Proposal: Lindholm for Ceci and 1st round pick
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11 + 15 + 19 = 666
Ah yes, here comes Legend123 to rag on the Sens once again in a thread that has less than nothing to do with any team he/she cheers for.
I really need to block you, but your posts are so out in left field that its good comic relief.
Really? I didn't realize that Karlsson and Stone had both retired.
Learn something new every day, I guess.
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Sting
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Is Lindholm a superstar? Absolutely not. He's a star player that is pumped up around these boards. Great in his own zone, so-so in the offensive zone.
To be fair, the reason such an offer is made is because Anaheim can't take the cap on of a regular star player.
I don't think Ceci + 1st gets it done, and I don't think Ottawa is in a position to trade for him. They don't have the excess assets.
If I were Winnipeg, however, I'd be all over this.
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Number1RedWingsFan52
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This, and besides i doubt that Ottawa could afford to sign Lindholm any ways.
Dominator13
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That's not Lindholm value.
That and Ottawa becomes significantly better and that diminishes the odds of a high pick anyways.
Nac Mac Feegle
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Lets trade a potential franchise defensemen who is already a #1 for a top ten pick that might work out.
Saying it a bazillion times doesn't make it true.
Lindholm is good, but his ceiling is below the 'franchise' level for sure.
Sens and Ducks aren't good trading partners at this time. Neither can really take on any salary....so what's the point?
IDuck
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nothing, a thumbs up, or a like on twitter....we add season passes to disneyland for entire GM's family, some picks, and months stay at a beach house in newport.
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Can't believe people don't see the problem with this trade. Ottawa is getting a massive upgrade in D, only for a 1st round pick that will most likely top out around the 5-15th pick. Adding Lindholm to Sens pretty much means they are not going to win the lottery.
And the Ducks downgrade in D, while we're trying to go all in. Then we end up having to pay Ceci when his contract is up and we end up back were we started, with just a worse player than Lindholm. What do we get in return? A player that may never pan out or will take a year or two to be able to play in the NHL.
Once again, people overrate a 1st round pick, thinking it'll be the next McDavid.
And the Ducks downgrade in D, while we're trying to go all in. Then we end up having to pay Ceci when his contract is up and we end up back were we started, with just a worse player than Lindholm. What do we get in return? A player that may never pan out or will take a year or two to be able to play in the NHL.
Once again, people overrate a 1st round pick, thinking it'll be the next McDavid.
Sojourn
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I don't think his ceiling is below franchise level "for sure."
Realistically? Maybe. Debatable, but for the sake of argument let's go with that. But to say it is below franchise level for sure suggests it's impossible for him to be that.
thedoughboy
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As far as I care Anaheim can keep letting linholm play in sweden it's no skin off my back.
They are going to have to pull a bickell+teravainen, Datsyuk+12th overall(or w/e pick), Bolland+crouse type deal to even get SOME room, and even that probably won't be enough for them to get room for Lindholm.
IMO the ducks are in a worse position than those 3 teams, and haven't made a trade because other teams know it and are asking to take the cap hits for an absolute premium.
They are going to have to pull a bickell+teravainen, Datsyuk+12th overall(or w/e pick), Bolland+crouse type deal to even get SOME room, and even that probably won't be enough for them to get room for Lindholm.
IMO the ducks are in a worse position than those 3 teams, and haven't made a trade because other teams know it and are asking to take the cap hits for an absolute premium.
thedoughboy
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Also one glaring problme with this proposal is the fact that Anaheim as 400k in cap room right now without lindholm signed.... they literally can't even make this trade
Vipers31
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Why? Would you call guys like Keith or Weber franchise defenders? When they were Lindholm's age, they certainly weren't on a different level "for sure". When talking about ceiling, there's pretty much no argument for him not having franchise level upside.
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This thread is delicious! HF at its best
First, I have learned today that the Sens are supposed to be a lottery team. They finished with 99 pts 2 years ago while being one of the youngest teams and the least experienced. And last year, despite everything going badly and KEY injuries, they ended up with the 12th OA pick. With the improvements and the hiring of a professional coaching staff, if things go bad this year they might end up with the 15th OA pick at worst
Well, Ceci + a 1st is A LOT to begin with. Not saying that's the package Anaheim would like or that it would be enough, but the value isn't as far as some people are making it seem to be.
Watch Ceci against the Habs last night. Very solid both ways, I believe he will be seen as a strong #2 later this season. And his shot when he hit the post
a real bullet
Yeah right...
On a serious note, Chabot, Brown, White, Perron, Chlapik, Dahlen, Englund already are or are establishing themselves as top prospects
Pair that with one of the many quality players on Ottawa's team, and you have many possible packages
But a trade isn't likely between those teams. Ottawa doesn't really need Lindholm as he would be a luxury, and with MacArthur and Lazar being out, the Sens can't afford to trade offense and that's what the Ducks need, they don't need defense.
The team 2-0 is a total fluke and have you seen Ceci play last night? What an absolute train wreck
Stone PLUS Ceci?
Offensively, they produce about the same and defensively, Ceci is progressing fast. This thread might look silly by the end of the year. The gap will get closer and some of the comments here will be useless
Stone + 1st would get the ducks "attention"???
What is this? lol HF
How does Ceci keep up then with players like Stone, Brassard, Ryan, Turris, Hoffman, Karlsson, etc?
Ceci + 15th OA + Hoffman?
Well, not a good season for a #1... Ceci had 19 ESP last season, tied with Gostisbehere
Don't... It's posters like this that makes HF such an incredible place. Free dopamine!
I dunno.
Lindholm-Karlsson
Methot-Phaneuf
Chabot/Borowiecki-Wideman
That defense plus an already VERY GOOD forward group would make the Sens as a contender and far from a 5-15th pick IMO
Sens seem to finally have a competent coaching staff.
First, I have learned today that the Sens are supposed to be a lottery team. They finished with 99 pts 2 years ago while being one of the youngest teams and the least experienced. And last year, despite everything going badly and KEY injuries, they ended up with the 12th OA pick. With the improvements and the hiring of a professional coaching staff, if things go bad this year they might end up with the 15th OA pick at worst
Well, Ceci + a 1st is A LOT to begin with. Not saying that's the package Anaheim would like or that it would be enough, but the value isn't as far as some people are making it seem to be.
Watch Ceci against the Habs last night. Very solid both ways, I believe he will be seen as a strong #2 later this season. And his shot when he hit the post
a real bulletYeah right...
On a serious note, Chabot, Brown, White, Perron, Chlapik, Dahlen, Englund already are or are establishing themselves as top prospects
Pair that with one of the many quality players on Ottawa's team, and you have many possible packages
But a trade isn't likely between those teams. Ottawa doesn't really need Lindholm as he would be a luxury, and with MacArthur and Lazar being out, the Sens can't afford to trade offense and that's what the Ducks need, they don't need defense.
The team 2-0 is a total fluke and have you seen Ceci play last night? What an absolute train wreck
Stone PLUS Ceci?
Offensively, they produce about the same and defensively, Ceci is progressing fast. This thread might look silly by the end of the year. The gap will get closer and some of the comments here will be useless
Stone + 1st would get the ducks "attention"???
What is this? lol HF
How does Ceci keep up then with players like Stone, Brassard, Ryan, Turris, Hoffman, Karlsson, etc?
Ceci + 15th OA + Hoffman?
Well, not a good season for a #1... Ceci had 19 ESP last season, tied with Gostisbehere
Ah yes, here comes Legend123 to rag on the Sens once again in a thread that has less than nothing to do with any team he/she cheers for.
I really need to block you, but your posts are so out in left field that its good comic relief.
Don't... It's posters like this that makes HF such an incredible place. Free dopamine!
I dunno.
Lindholm-Karlsson
Methot-Phaneuf
Chabot/Borowiecki-Wideman
That defense plus an already VERY GOOD forward group would make the Sens as a contender and far from a 5-15th pick IMO
Sens seem to finally have a competent coaching staff.
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The Ducks at any time they choose have a couple players they can send down as well as a couple they will probably be putting on LTIR. Pretending the Ducks are in some immovable, desperate situation doesn't make it so.
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playasRus
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I actually came to these boards to see what Anaheim would be willing to make the ??? for cap space in:
To X:
Stoner/Bieksa
???
To Anaheim:
7th round pick
LeafsNation149
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That would get it done considering the pick is likely top 3-5 at worst. Remove Nylander and that offence is getting thin beyond jvr, Matthews and Marner.
LeafsNation149
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Leafs 1st in 2018 will be a mid 1st round.
JVR, Matthews, and Marner are just the 1st line players, Leafs have many other prospects as well as Kadri.
Adding a 1st pairing dman to play with Rielly is Leafs biggest need right now
