Proposal: Lindholm for Ceci and 1st round pick

[Beezeral]

He is a good young top 4,lots on his plate.New coach ,new system,s playing almost 5 mins more a night in all situations ,still finding chemsistry with Phaneuf.ETC.ETC

Last night wasnt all on Ceci BTW ,if you,re goalie allows 5 goals on 25 shots .You likely arent going to win ,Marazel faced 32 from us and allowed one goal.

It wasn't "all" on Ceci, but he was the catalyst for 4 of the 5 goals

Goal 1

Loses a 1 v 1 board battle for a turnover and green immediately scores on a soft goal, but still Ceci can't be losing board battles that cleanly.

Goal 2.

Ceci makes a horrible decision to rush the puck into the offensive zone himself, turns it over at the blue line because he blindly threw it into the middle of the ice for a turnover, then is late getting back on Helm who scores on a breakaway. That goal is 85% on Ceci, and 15% on Phaneuf for not doing a better job of covering for Ceci.

Goal 3.

Gets caught puck watching and chases Vanek behind the net, who then makes him miss and sets up Green for his 2nd goal of the night.

Goal 5.
Loses another 1 v. 1 board battle cleanly and Green is immediately set up for his hat trick goal.

Good young top 4 d-man (your words) don't make that many critical mistakes in a single game.

 

[topshelf15]

It wasn't "all" on Ceci, but he was the catalyst for 4 of the 5 goals

Goal 1

Loses a 1 v 1 board battle for a turnover and green immediately scores on a soft goal, but still Ceci can't be losing board battles that cleanly.

Goal 2.

Ceci makes a horrible decision to rush the puck into the offensive zone himself, turns it over at the blue line because he blindly threw it into the middle of the ice for a turnover, then is late getting back on Helm who scores on a breakaway. That goal is 85% on Ceci, and 15% on Phaneuf for not doing a better job of covering for Ceci.

Goal 3.

Gets caught puck watching and chases Vanek behind the net, who then makes him miss and sets up Green for his 2nd goal of the night.

Goal 5.
Loses another 1 v. 1 board battle cleanly and Green is immediately set up for his hat trick goal.

Good young top 4 d-man (your words) don't make that many critical mistakes in a single game.

Key word right here ,all defenders make mistakes.Not having you,re goalie bail you out on any ,makes any defender look bad .

 

[Beezeral]

Key word right here ,all defenders make mistakes.Not having you,re goalie bail you out on any ,makes any defender look bad .

some top quality rationalization here. Whether or not the goalie bailed Ceci out doesn't change that those were 4 brutally bad plays that led to great scoring chances for the wings. Again, that many mistakes in a single game is not typical for a guy you say is a good young top 4 defenseman

 

[topshelf15]

some top quality rationalization here. Whether or not the goalie bailed Ceci out doesn't change that those were 4 brutally bad plays that led to great scoring chances for the wings. Again, that many mistakes in a single game is not typical for a guy you say is a good young top 4 defenseman

Yeah,of course the goalie making a save has something to do with how a players defensive game is viewed.Hammond make a save or two and the game isnt as far out of control early ,so if a center loses a faceoff is he to blame for an opposition player scoring .On a shot directed towards the net ??

Most puck battles are 50/50 on whom wins kinda like faceoffs ,does Ceci need to work on this ??yes .But to say he is a bottom pairing defender because of one rough stretch in one game is just showing your bias and nothing more

 

[crowi]

Yeah,of course the goalie making a save has something to do with how a players defensive game is viewed.Hammond make a save or two and the game isnt as far out of control early ,so if a center loses a faceoff is he to blame for an opposition player scoring .On a shot directed towards the net ??

Most puck battles are 50/50 on whom wins kinda like faceoffs ,does Ceci need to work on this ??yes .But to say he is a bottom pairing defender because of one rough stretch in one game is just showing your bias and nothing more

Pretty sure he isn't a Ducks fan, so I'm not sure what bias you're going for here.

 

[topshelf15]

Pretty sure he isn't a Ducks fan, so I'm not sure what bias you're going for here.

No he is a FLD fan. That thinks he know ,s more than he actually does

 

[Beezeral]

Yeah,of course the goalie making a save has something to do with how a players defensive game is viewed.Hammond make a save or two and the game isnt as far out of control early ,so if a center loses a faceoff is he to blame for an opposition player scoring .On a shot directed towards the net ??

Most puck battles are 50/50 on whom wins kinda like faceoffs ,does Ceci need to work on this ??yes .But to say he is a bottom pairing defender because of one rough stretch in one game is just showing your bias and nothing more

There is a difference between a center losing a draw and a defenseman losing a puck battle along the boards where he doesn't even slow the guy down and it leads to a quality scoring chance. Board battles are not 50/50. They favor the defenseman because he has the option to simply pin the offensive player against the boards and wait for help. Also, sorry, but I don't play the result game. Whether or not the goalie made a save doesn't change that the defenseman made a bad play.

Pretty sure he isn't a Ducks fan, so I'm not sure what bias you're going for here.

He thinks that because I am a Panthers fan, I must hate the Senators and am biased against them.

 

[topshelf15]

There is a difference between a center losing a draw and a defenseman losing a puck battle along the boards where he doesn't even slow the guy down and it leads to a quality scoring chance. Board battles are not 50/50. They favor the defenseman because he has the option to simply pin the offensive player against the boards and wait for help. Also, sorry, but I don't play the result game. Whether or not the goalie made a save doesn't change that the defenseman made a bad play.



He thinks that because I am a Panthers fan, I must hate the Senators and am biased against them.

Thats the problem you arent seeing ,good goaltending makes everybody playing defense look great .Take the EK doesnt PK so he isnt a good defensive player,arguement.Yet against Toronto he was out 4 times against their PP and no goals were scored,is that all EK??? Or maybe the goaltender making stops had something to do with it

I never said The original proposal was good for ANA,in fact i stated the opposite .But Ceci is a good young top 4 defender with number 2 potential.Him having a rough game in parts doesnt change this. He is looking more and more,like the two way defender with an offensive flair that we originally drafted

 

[Beezeral]

Thats the problem you arent seeing ,good goaltending makes everybody playing defense look great .Take the EK doesnt PK so he isnt a good defensive player,arguement.Yet against Toronto he was out 4 times against their PP and no goals were scored,is that all EK??? Or maybe the goaltender making stops had something to do with it

I never said The original proposal was good for ANA,in fact i stated the opposite .But Ceci is a good young top 4 defender with number 2 potential.Him having a rough game in parts doesnt change this. He is looking more and more,like the two way defender with an offensive flair that we originally drafted

for someone who said it is too early to label somebody, you have no issue labeling him a top 4 dman with top 2 potential.

 

[topshelf15]

for someone who said it is too early to label somebody, you have no issue labeling him a top 4 dman with top 2 potential.

He is a top 4 defender,not many will disagree with me there .His potential is as a number 2 ,i dont think he gets there .EK playing the same side as him ,makes this highly unlikely .But for a kid that has player the majority with players like Cowen and Wiercioch ,and has carried that 2nd pairing as a 20 year old .Him gettig worse is also unlikely

 

[Beezeral]

He is a top 4 defender,not many will disagree with me there .His potential is as a number 2 ,i dont think he gets there .EK playing the same side as him ,makes this highly unlikely .But for a kid that has player the majority with players like Cowen and Wiercioch ,and has carried that 2nd pairing as a 20 year old .Him gettig worse is also unlikely

From fellow senators fans

Karlsson#1
Phaneuf #3
Methot #4
Ceci#6
Wideman#7
Borowiecki #7 on a good day

Pretty accurate so far.

C'mon Cece!

Karlsson #1
Phaneuf #3
Methot #3
Ceci #5
Wideman #5
Borowiecki #7

Karlsson #1
Methot #3
Phaneuf #4
Ceci #5
Wideman #5
Borowiecki #7

 

[Xspyrit]

two separate comments. I have never been a big Ceci fan. He has been very mediocre outside of a short stretch late last season. Last night was probably one of the worst of his career. 4 terrible mistakes by him led to 4 of the wings goals. Yes, it is just one game, but my god was he brutal last night. Games that bad shouldn't happen to players who are expected to fill a top 4 role regardless of his age.

- 1st goal : Ceci loses a board battle against TWO WINGS PLAYERS. Then, Hammond can't even catch a simple shot. That's not a goal on a NHL goalie 99.9% of the time... What a terrible mistake!

- 2nd goal : Ceci made a pinch! What a terrible mistake. Rookie Dzingel didn't recognize fast enough that he had to cover for him (or somebody else). Nice play by the Wings, again Hammond easy to beat even if it was a great scoring chance.

- 3rd goal : PP Goal... lol I fail to see what Ceci did wrong there. Again, Hammond can't see a damn puck and gets beat by a shot from the point.

4th goal : PP Goal... Team has giving up, beautiful fast play by the Wings. I give you that one, Ceci got stripped off the puck on that play, like it happens for every NHL player several times in a season. Hammond couldn't do anything on that one!


Sure, Ceci (like many players) didn't have his best game, but if you can't see the dishonesty in your assessment, I don't know what to tell you.

If you can't see the difference between inconsistent play and the disaster that was Ceci last night, I don't know what to tell you. And for the millionth time, I don't think he is a bad player. I do think he is overrated by you and other Sens fans. Right now he is a bottom pairing defenseman with low top 4 potential. There is nothing wrong with that, but for whatever reason that offends you

Garbage posting. Have you seen Ceci play for Team Canada? And then you say that Sens fans are biased regarding Ceci... If you ever read HF Sens, you will notice that Sens fans are very hard on pretty much every player not named Alfredsson, Karlsson or Stone. Every mistake is negatively glorified by the fanbase.... canadian fans.

 

[50 in 07]

Good young top 4 d-man (your words) don't make that many critical mistakes in a single game.

some top quality rationalization here. Whether or not the goalie bailed Ceci out doesn't change that those were 4 brutally bad plays that led to great scoring chances for the wings. Again, that many mistakes in a single game is not typical for a guy you say is a good young top 4 defenseman

How's this for "top quality rationalization?" You're trying to justify that Ceci isn't a top 4 d-man based ONE game.

 

[Beezeral]

How's this for "top quality rationalization?" You're trying to justify that Ceci isn't a top 4 d-man based ONE game.

I'm basing my opinion on watching multiple games. I was merely pointing out that last night was more than just a couple minor mistakes like topshelf tried to say.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Is this a joke?

Ottawa has nothing worth Lindholm

Wouldn't go that far. Got to leave our bias (hate) aside on this. I suspect Ottawa would need to add, but its a reasonable start. Wonder if Eugene's finances could handle this. Also guessing that Ceci is underrated by many/some. Going to ignore the Panther's fan(s) on this one.

 

[Spazkat]

Aside from arguing over whether or not Ceci is a 3 a 5 or a 7, everyone seems to be overlooking the fact that ANA has a ton of defensemen that can slot into the 3-7 already. I can't see a scenario where they trade Lindholm for a defenseman that doesn't have clear #1 potential.

 

[Benjamin]

Vatanen + Cogliano + Stoner

for

Ceci + Boro + 3rd

 

[dracom]

Vatanen + Cogliano + Stoner

for

Ceci + Boro + 3rd

Terrible, terrible offer.

 

[Benjamin]

Terrible, terrible offer.

Every offer is terrible for Duck fans.

 

[Sens Vader]

what about Cody Ceci + Matt Puempel for Cam Fowler?

 

[dracom]

Every offer is terrible for Duck fans.

Ok, please explain how this is good for us? Because I see us trading the two better players for a two defenseman that are worse and a 3rd. Yeah, were dumping money, but we get worse in every area. I will take the points Vats brings over Ceci. Stoner and Boro are a wash in terms of skill. And I would easily take Cogs over a third.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Vatanen + Cogliano + Stoner

for

Ceci + Boro + 3rd

That is really bad. Good God.

 

[Benjamin]

Ok, please explain how this is good for us? Because I see us trading the two better players for a two defenseman that are worse and a 3rd. Yeah, were dumping money, but we get worse in every area. I will take the points Vats brings over Ceci. Stoner and Boro are a wash in terms of skill. And I would easily take Cogs over a third.

Clearing cap and money is where Anaheim gets the value.

 

[dracom]

Clearing cap and money is where Anaheim gets the value.

So no actual value for us then when we're giving up a top 4 RHD that is good for 40 points and our 2nd best LW who is a key player for us, for cap space that we can get elsewhere and two players we don't need. You made a bad proposal, deal with it.

 

[Benjamin]

So no actual value for us then when we're giving up a top 4 RHD that is good for 40 points and our 2nd best LW who is a key player for us, for cap space that we can get elsewhere and two players we don't need. You made a bad proposal, deal with it.

Or we just disagree on the value of cap space and Ceci.