Proposal: Lindholm and Rakell trade discussion thread for Anaheim.

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Just curious what the HF boards thinks value wise for both players.

Can we help you Toronto? habs? Sens? Any suggestions on what we do with these formidable contracts with the rumors? It's open to the entire league for trades.

Yes you can help us we would like 1 Cam Fowler please

 

[KaseMeOutside]

JVR (50%) + Kasperi Kapanen + Connor Brown + Andreas Johnsson

for

Hampus Lindholm

a bunch of leafs spare parts for a young franchise dman, sign me up

 

[JarvisFunk]

a bunch of leafs spare parts for a young franchise dman, sign me up

Their prospects are gold, if you bash them you will feel their wrath.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Their prospects are gold, if you bash them you will feel their wrath.

For lindholm talks start at nylander/Marner + or matthews

 

[Liferleafer]

For lindholm talks start at nylander/Marner + or matthews

Which is why we would prefer targeting Fowler...

 

[Nithoniniel]

For lindholm talks start at nylander/Marner + or matthews

Pretty much. I've looked through a bunch of Anaheim-related proposal threads here, and I'm surprised to see how many seem in the dark on just how good Lindholm is. I don't even see any reason to discuss trade options, I'd imagine he'd be the last guy traded on that Ducks team.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Pretty much. I've looked through a bunch of Anaheim-related proposal threads here, and I'm surprised to see how many seem in the dark on just how good Lindholm is. I don't even see any reason to discuss trade options, I'd imagine he'd be the last guy traded on that Ducks team.

Yea that's another reason why the cost is high , because he isn't available unless you gunna overpay

 

[Liferleafer]

Pretty much. I've looked through a bunch of Anaheim-related proposal threads here, and I'm surprised to see how many seem in the dark on just how good Lindholm is. I don't even see any reason to discuss trade options, I'd imagine he'd be the last guy traded on that Ducks team.

In all fairness, there are a bunch of Ducks fans in those threads saying Lindholm hasn't proven himself and thus not worth his demands....

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

In all fairness, there are a bunch of Ducks fans in those threads saying Lindholm hasn't proven himself and thus not worth his demands....

That's more on the basis of paying for their future, he hasn't been a true min eating #1... he should get paid around what jones and Reilly got, a little more because he's the more established and better at the time of his contract. I think most ducks fans will say he is worth a contract in same range of ekbald but neither player has earned thst kind of money yet and should be making around jones/Reilly money.

Contract value also doesn't equal trade value.

 

[Liferleafer]

That's more on the basis of paying for their future, he hasn't been a true min eating #1... he should get paid around what jones and Reilly got, a little more because he's the more established and better at the time of his contract. I think most ducks fans will say he is worth a contract in same range of ekbald but neither player has earned thst kind of money yet and should be making around jones/Reilly money.

Contract value also doesn't equal trade value.

I wasn't knocking him at all...i think the notion of Anaheim trading him is ludicrous. For TO, if we can improve our D without moving Marner/Nylander/Mathews/1st, then that would be the goal. We aren't in the position of paying large for Lindholm/Trouba....which is why i would be aiming for Fowler.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I wasn't knocking him at all...i think the notion of Anaheim trading him is ludicrous. For TO, if we can improve our D without moving Marner/Nylander/Mathews/1st, then that would be the goal. We aren't in the position of paying large for Lindholm/Trouba....which is why i would be aiming for Fowler.

JVR for fowler makeS a lot of sense but right now we can't afford jvr and keep lindholm and rakell and trading rakell and getting jvr keeps us in the same situation.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Severson + Boucher + 1st 2017

Does this type of trade get it done?

 

[supersonic jet]

Severson + Boucher + 1st 2017

Does this type of trade get it done?

wow that's a lot to give up for 2yrs of a 3,4 defenseman who would not crack the top 3rd of teams top 4.It may be worth it if you think your team will win the cup in the next 2yrs and you are one of those 66% of the league that does not have depth.
Or your team is so strong that he would knock out any of the top 6. Very few that could not use him to improve defense. Like Calgary, would not improve them.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Severson + Boucher + 1st 2017

Does this type of trade get it done?

For fowler?

 

[supersonic jet]

For fowler?

I was thinking Fowler too.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

For fowler?

For Lindholm.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

For Lindholm.

Oh def not, idk that you guys have the pieces to work something for lindholm

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Oh def not, idk that you guys have the pieces to work something for lindholm

Can't be far off value given Anaheim's situation.

21 year old top 4 defensmen with upside.
23 year old scoring winger
Potential lottery pick

 

[Liferleafer]

JVR for fowler makeS a lot of sense but right now we can't afford jvr and keep lindholm and rakell and trading rakell and getting jvr keeps us in the same situation.

Add a 2nd, we retain 50%.

 

[CanadienShark]

Rakell is very comparable to JT MIller who just signed a 2 year bridge with AAV of 2,75 mil.

Lindholm is already a proven top pair player. He should get longterm 6-6,5 and i dont see how anyone can say otherwise. Damn impressive player, great stats, plays tons of minutes etc. Already very proven because he has been damn good all 3 seasons he has been in the league. You dont bridge young top pair defensemen.... If you do, you end up with Subban like contracts which is market value. Lock them up early so you dont have to pay them market value in 2 years.

I still don't get this line of thinking. So you pay the guy a big deal (say $6-7m now) and his deal expires literally right in his prime so he's now up for a massive deal. Instead Subban signed a long term deal right while he entered his prime and is signed until he should be leaving his prime. This IS Subban's big deal. Pay Lindholm big now, you're going to be paying him a LOT more when his deal expires in his prime.

 

[dracom]

Can't be far off value given Anaheim's situation.

21 year old top 4 defensmen with upside.
23 year old scoring winger
Potential lottery pick

It is far of value because since we can re-sign Lindholm easily, the only real hold up is trying to re-sign both Lindholm and Rakell.

A defensemen who doesn't have the same upside as Lindholm, a forward who is worse than Rakell and can't really put up many points in the NHL, and a pick that could easily be a mid to late 1st round pick, all for our most valuable player who could easily be our next franchise D? No thanks. Spare parts wont get you Lindholm.

 

[Vipers31]

Can't be far off value given Anaheim's situation.

21 year old top 4 defensmen with upside.
23 year old scoring winger
Potential lottery pick

It is far off. We have top-4 guys and upside, it's why we're considering trading a guy like Fowler. Lindholm isn't just top-4, he's a potential elite #1. Unless and until Theodore or Larsson do stunning things to put themselves remotely close to that, there's no replacing Lindholm on that front. Boucher and an unspecified 1st rounder don't change that, at all.

 

[Magic Man]

a bunch of leafs spare parts for a young franchise dman, sign me up

I'm not sure spare parts is accurate, that package would be similar to the Ducks offering Fowler (50%) + Larsson + Montour + Steel

If the Ducks were to offer that, I'm sure they'd expect a premium asset in return.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'm not sure spare parts is accurate, that package would be similar to the Ducks offering Fowler (50%) + Larsson + Montour + Steel

If the Ducks were to offer that, I'm sure they'd expect a premium asset in return.

Why would we ever offer 3 dmen, that is bad asset management

 

[Magic Man]

Why would we ever offer 3 dmen, that is bad asset management

I'm sure that looks like an extremely valuable package to Ducks fans, the one I posted from the Leafs is near identical to it in value.

Not exactly spare parts.