Proposal: Lindholm and Rakell trade discussion thread for Anaheim.

[The Podium]

I put this in the Trouba thread:

To Jets:
Gardiner+2nd

To Leafs:
Trouba

THEN

To Ducks:
JVR retained 50%

To Leafs:
Fowler plus something for the retention.

That would allow the Ducks some cap space to sign RFAs.

Problem 1: Leafs fans don't like the thought of dealing JVR.

Problem 2: Jets fans have valued Trouba higher than Jesus himself.

I think most people would be happy with this.

 

[Heldig]

I think most people would be happy with this.

I would say no just because of the needless insult of Jets fans.

 

[Absurdity]

Assuming that Lindholm would be the only one of the two Anaheim would trade, what would Anaheim look for in return? It's been said that they are looking for a cheap #1LW, but is there anything else Anaheim would be looking for in a return for Lindholm? LD/RD? Another forward/prospect?

 

[Kamiccolo]

As a Leaf fan I would make one of Marner / Nylander available for Lindholm as the start of a package.

If we could swing a Rielly / Lindholm top pairing for the next decade i would be sooooo happy.

They are both LD Babcock would never have them.

So far the best thing I've seen for the Leafs involves a deal around Gardiner for Trouba, which IMO is fair straight up, but on HF you need to win a deal to say yes so something gets thrown in, this needs to happen with an extension in place that is fair and not team crippling.

This gives us a good top pairing of Rielly Trouba, or Zaitsev if he is better, not sure.

Then move JVR for Fowler to replace Gardiner.

Top 4 D of Rielly - Trouba, Fowler - Zaitsev is really good. Problem is we lose a ton of offense in Gardiners puck moving and JVR being a big 60 point player for us.

If one of Marner, Nylander, or Matthews busts, we are really screwed on offense and will need another big name.

I'd almost rather just not make a move and see how the chips fall. With the lottery how it is, the Leafs not having anything set in stone, a bottom 5 finish leaves the Leafs with the chance at drafting a stud RD next year.

 

[The Podium]

They are both LD Babcock would never have them.

So far the best thing I've seen for the Leafs involves a deal around Gardiner for Trouba, which IMO is fair straight up, but on HF you need to win a deal to say yes so something gets thrown in, this needs to happen with an extension in place that is fair and not team crippling.

This gives us a good top pairing of Rielly Trouba, or Zaitsev if he is better, not sure.

Then move JVR for Fowler to replace Gardiner.

Top 4 D of Rielly - Trouba, Fowler - Zaitsev is really good. Problem is we lose a ton of offense in Gardiners puck moving and JVR being a big 60 point player for us.

If one of Marner, Nylander, or Matthews busts, we are really screwed on offense and will need another big name.

I'd almost rather just not make a move and see how the chips fall. With the lottery how it is, the Leafs not having anything set in stone, a bottom 5 finish leaves the Leafs with the chance at drafting a stud RD next year.

Cam Fowler would replace Gardiners offence. We really only lose JVR.

 

[Nordic*]

OEL + Duclair for Lindholm, Rakell + 2nd.

 

[dracom]

OEL + Duclair for Lindholm, Rakell + 2nd.

Oh come on...

 

[OnTheBrink]

Draisiatl + 1st for Lindholm + 2nd

Both teams deal a high end young player at position of strength to address a weakness ( Drai can play both C and wing Effectively). Edmonton adds the superior pick as they probably would be team pushing for this trade.

Would love to work Rakell into the deal to but not sure what Oilers could realistically add.

 

[leaflover]

Lindholm, now this is a young d-man I would like to see Leafs management pursue.
Young defenseman with his ability and considerable upside don't come along very often, in fact, I'm having a hard time recalling an equal(prefer Lindholm over Jones) hitting the open market at that age.
I'm pretty confident Anaheim will lock him up longterm though, but, if for some bizarre reason the Ducks do move him he'd be worth a lot.
Most likely Toronto heads into the season with what they have on defense which is alright too. It allows opportunity to slide the kids up and down the lineup to see exactly what they're capable of or comfortable with.

 

[anezthes]

Draisiatl + 1st for Lindholm + 2nd

Solid.

Here's a bit of a wild one:

:

LD Oscar Klefbom, C/W Leon Draisaitl

:

LD Hampus Lindholm, RW/C Rickard Rakell

No, thanks. Klefbom can't seem to stay healthy.

 

[TOGuy14]

Yeah, probably. Toronto has plenty of incredible young forwards coming up. Adding Lindholm would help their blue line tremendously. Add in that Freddy is your goalie now, and with Babcock coaching; Toronto would get very good very quickly if they got Lindholm.

Not sure why Toronto fans seem to believe they'll be in the basement for years getting a ton of 1st round picks and then suddenly get great.

I don't think the Leafs will be in the basement again this year, but I also don't see them moving as high as 5-15 in the league (as indicated by your mid to late draft pick statement)

 

[dracom]

I don't think the Leafs will be in the basement again this year, but I also don't see them moving as high as 5-15 in the league (as indicated by your mid to late draft pick statement)

Fair enough. For some reason I see Toronto doing really well this with their current roster, so theoretically adding Lindholm would boost them even higher in my mind.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Yak@ 50%, pouliot at 50%, 2017 first round pick, 2018 2nd round pick, griffin Reinhart for lindholm

Trash. No draisait. No discussion.

 

[oStealthKiller*]

Trash. No draisait. No discussion.

Awesome.

 

[wintersej]

Every single report discusses the Ducks trying to sign him, except for the one's that shoot down any trade speculation. Not sure where this smoke is you speak of.

Fowler is still on the team because Lindholm isn't signed. If he holds out into the season we need Fowler.

Is there a point where a strong payment for Lindholm is more attractive than an underpayment for Fowler? This is what I keep wondering, as I'm fairly certain the value for Fowler will not be good this late into camp.

 

[taylorjonl]

You think Hampus Lindholm adds an additional 25-30 points to a team, 12-15 wins?

May as well sign him to a max deal then, he is Jesus

Yeah, probably. Toronto has plenty of incredible young forwards coming up. Adding Lindholm would help their blue line tremendously. Add in that Freddy is your goalie now, and with Babcock coaching; Toronto would get very good very quickly if they got Lindholm.

Not sure why Toronto fans seem to believe they'll be in the basement for years getting a ton of 1st round picks and then suddenly get great.

Reports are he wants 8 years at $6m - $6.5m and according to you he instantly makes any team a playoff team, if he is this good, pay the man his money...

 

[dracom]

Reports are he wants 8 years at $6m - $6.5m and according to you he instantly makes any team a playoff team, if he is this good, pay the man his money...

You know I have no control of the negotiations right? I also didn't say he makes any team a playoff team, just that adding Lindholm to Toronto would make them a much better team. Could probably grab a wild card spot and who knows how far they could go into the playoffs.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Is there a point where a strong payment for Lindholm is more attractive than an underpayment for Fowler? This is what I keep wondering, as I'm fairly certain the value for Fowler will not be good this late into camp.

I have a feeling the value for Fowler hasn't changed much since the draft because most of those teams could still very much use him. If there are multiple teams involved on a 24 year old top pairing blueliner, the price can't sink too far.

It makes more sense to move Fowler regardless. Lindholm is our only true potential #1dman, move him and we may not find another for 10 years. You don't win in this league without a horse on the back end.

 

[Not So Mighty]

OEL + Duclair for Lindholm, Rakell + 2nd.

I don't think I could find the dotted line fast enough.

 

[Mad Brills*]

A lindholm/rielly/matthews/which ever of nylander or marner they keep/andersen core is a damn fine team.

 

[hamzarocks]

OEL + Duclair for Lindholm, Rakell + 2nd.

That package would get OEl probably but not duclair.

 

[Magic Man]

JVR (50%) + Kasperi Kapanen + Connor Brown + Andreas Johnsson

for

Hampus Lindholm

 

[lindholmie]

JVR (50%) + Kasperi Kapanen + Connor Brown + Andreas Johnsson

for

Hampus Lindholm

lol one of nylander/marner must be included

 

[Ducks Nation*]

JVR (50%) + Kasperi Kapanen + Connor Brown + Andreas Johnsson

for

Hampus Lindholm

I counter with Ritchie + Kerdiles + Fowler + Pettersson for Matthews

 

[Ducks in a row]

Assuming that Lindholm would be the only one of the two Anaheim would trade, what would Anaheim look for in return? It's been said that they are looking for a cheap #1LW, but is there anything else Anaheim would be looking for in a return for Lindholm? LD/RD? Another forward/prospect?

If Ducks trade Lindholm we better be getting back either a better young defenseman or a NHL forward that is just too good to say no to and I don't see such things happening so trading our former 6th overall pick who is the best defenseman from his draft and best overall defenseman we have won't be happening.

OEL + Duclair for Lindholm, Rakell + 2nd.

Coyotes won't do that. Also I don't like the idea of OEL being UFA after 3 seasons who will demand a very large amount that isn't good for us.

Draisiatl + 1st for Lindholm + 2nd

Both teams deal a high end young player at position of strength to address a weakness ( Drai can play both C and wing Effectively). Edmonton adds the superior pick as they probably would be team pushing for this trade.

Would love to work Rakell into the deal to but not sure what Oilers could realistically add.

Ducks are not trading Lindholm to division rival Oilers who have been in bad need of very good defenseman.

JVR (50%) + Kasperi Kapanen + Connor Brown + Andreas Johnsson

for

Hampus Lindholm

No way