Proposal: Lindholm and Rakell trade discussion thread for Anaheim.

[ffh]

why wouldn't Anaheim consider trading lindholm for trouba. if he wants long term deal no matter what and they are forced to trade pieces to make that happen that they don't want to do, why then if trouba would sign a bridge deal with Anaheim to help them and get traded and play this year and thus making it possible to sign rickell without having to make a rash trade why wouldn't they consider that.

 

[Exit Dose]

why wouldn't Anaheim consider trading lindholm for trouba. if he wants long term deal no matter what and they are forced to trade pieces to make that happen that they don't want to do, why then if trouba would sign a bridge deal with Anaheim to help them and get traded and play this year and thus making it possible to sign rickell without having to make a rash trade why wouldn't they consider that.

Because Lindholm is a better defenseman than Trouba. Anaheim would like to keep the best talent on their blue line around.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'm sure that looks like an extremely valuable package to Ducks fans, the one I posted from the Leafs is near identical to it in value.

Not exactly spare parts.

It's spare parts for a team in win now...

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

why wouldn't Anaheim consider trading lindholm for trouba. if he wants long term deal no matter what and they are forced to trade pieces to make that happen that they don't want to do, why then if trouba would sign a bridge deal with Anaheim to help them and get traded and play this year and thus making it possible to sign rickell without having to make a rash trade why wouldn't they consider that.

I'd do trouba for lindholm, but ehlers or Connors needs to be part of deal

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Severson + Boucher + 1st 2017

Does this type of trade get it done?

That might get you Fowler, If you think this gets you Lindholm. Then it's not happening.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

For Lindholm.

No way in the world, Would that ever get you Lindholm.

 

[ffh]

I'd do trouba for lindholm, but ehlers or Connors needs to be part of deal

not a chance and you know that . he may be better but not that much.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'd do trouba for lindholm, but ehlers or Connors needs to be part of deal

And i seriously doubt that Winnipeg would move either Ehlers or Connors even for Lindholm on top of Trouba considering that they're not really a playoff team yet any ways.

 

[Magic Man]

It's spare parts for a team in win now...

JVR is a 1st line winger right now, the Ducks get him at a discount rate of 2.125M. Plus, the Leafs 3 best forward prospects behind the big 3. They each have time left on their ELC, but Brown is pencilled into a top-9 spot in the NHL for this season. Kapanen and Johnsson (could even be Korshkov if preferred, he was picked directly after Steel) are all close to NHL ready. The Ducks wouldn't need to dip into the FA pool for much up front after that move in coming years, they'd have cheap, young talent pushing for a spot every season.

 

[Vipers31]

why wouldn't Anaheim consider trading lindholm for trouba. if he wants long term deal no matter what and they are forced to trade pieces to make that happen that they don't want to do, why then if trouba would sign a bridge deal with Anaheim to help them and get traded and play this year and thus making it possible to sign rickell without having to make a rash trade why wouldn't they consider that.

A) Lindholm is significantly better than Trouba.
B) There's no reason in the world to believe Trouba would sign a bridge deal.

Such a deal offers nothing to Anaheim.

 

[dracom]

why wouldn't Anaheim consider trading lindholm for trouba. if he wants long term deal no matter what and they are forced to trade pieces to make that happen that they don't want to do, why then if trouba would sign a bridge deal with Anaheim to help them and get traded and play this year and thus making it possible to sign rickell without having to make a rash trade why wouldn't they consider that.

Why would we consider trading the superior player, for a guy who asked for a trade because he can't play on the side he wants. Lindholm wants to stay with the Ducks, so there's no reason for us to trade him to the Jets for an inferior player.

 

[Vipers31]

Plus, the Leafs 3 best forward prospects behind the big 3.

That's a fantastic euphemism for your #4 through 6 forward prospects.

They each have time left on their ELC, but Brown is pencilled into a top-9 spot in the NHL for this season.

On the Leafs, that is.

I mean, I still understand your objection to it being called spare parts, simply based on JVR being in there, which is more than a spare part. But there's still too much quantity to make it even appear realistic.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

JVR is a 1st line winger right now, the Ducks get him at a discount rate of 2.125M. Plus, the Leafs 3 best forward prospects behind the big 3. They each have time left on their ELC, but Brown is pencilled into a top-9 spot in the NHL for this season. Kapanen and Johnsson (could even be Korshkov if preferred, he was picked directly after Steel) are all close to NHL ready. The Ducks wouldn't need to dip into the FA pool for much up front after that move in coming years, they'd have cheap, young talent pushing for a spot every season.

Is that the new, fancy way of describing lesser prospects? In other words, they're the 4th, 5th, and 6th best forward prospects for the Leafs.

Pettersson is the Ducks top defensive prospect...you know, after Theo, Montour, Larsson...

Doesn't really make their value higher by spinning it that way.

Also, I really don't see how you're comparing you're package to Fowler, Montour, Larsson, and Steel. Those are pretty highly rated prospects from the Ducks.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Can't be far off value given Anaheim's situation.

21 year old top 4 defensmen with upside.
23 year old scoring winger
Potential lottery pick

when will people realize the ducks do not need or want a defenseman back in any trade?

the value is not close because anaheim does not need severson

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

You have to understand everything that goes to Toronto is top notch... see how maple leaf fans rated Andersen before trade and after trade.

My only question is how soon would a "is cam fowler a #1 dmen?" poll come up or is cam fowler top 20 dmen in the league.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I'm not sure spare parts is accurate, that package would be similar to the Ducks offering Fowler (50%) + Larsson + Montour + Steel

If the Ducks were to offer that, I'm sure they'd expect a premium asset in return.

no it's accurate, you are trying to turn your tradeable B prospects and JVR into a franchise dman. not happening.

leafs don't even get a convo started without 1 of the big 3

 

[Magic Man]

Is that the new, fancy way of describing lesser prospects? In other words, they're the 4th, 5th, and 6th best forward prospects for the Leafs.

Pettersson is the Ducks top defensive prospect...you know, after Theo, Montour, Larsson...

Doesn't really make their value higher by spinning it that way.

Also, I really don't see how you're comparing you're package to Fowler, Montour, Larsson, and Steel. Those are pretty highly rated prospects from the Ducks.

Well in this case. You're talking about Matthews who is the unanimous #1 prospect in the world. In Nylander and Marner who are two of the league's top-5 prospects on many lists, top-10 on all.

No offence to Theo, Montour and Larsson but they aren't thought of like that.

Montour is a direct value comparable to Brown, Fowler to JVR, Larsson to Kapanen and Steel to Johnsson/Korshkov.

 

[ffh]

Why would we consider trading the superior player, for a guy who asked for a trade because he can't play on the side he wants. Lindholm wants to stay with the Ducks, so there's no reason for us to trade him to the Jets for an inferior player.

he is not superior. lindholm has earned long term deal so don't expect him to sign a bridge, trouba would to get traded. so start trading players last minute to sign lindholm that will hurt team in long run. I was just posing an alternative to that. what ever the difference in talent the gm's would figure that out.

 

[dracom]

he is not superior. lindholm has earned long term deal so don't expect him to sign a bridge, trouba would to get traded. so start trading players last minute to sign lindholm that will hurt team in long run. I was just posing an alternative to that. what ever the difference in talent the gm's would figure that out.

Lindholm is superior, why do you think Jets fans would be over the moon if they got Lindholm for Trouba? Because they would be getting the superior player.

It's all moot anyone since it's already out there that the Ducks aren't trading Lindholm to the Jets and they don't see a fit for Trouba.

 

[ffh]

Lindholm is superior, why do you think Jets fans would be over the moon if they got Lindholm for Trouba? Because they would be getting the superior player.

It's all moot anyone since it's already out there that the Ducks aren't trading Lindholm to the Jets and they don't see a fit for Trouba.

no problem duck gm possibly made huge mistake thinking lindkolm and rickel would sign bridge. if the reports are true that he is looking to unload contracts to sign both these players are true then he must have realized bridge deals might not happen and he will have a hard time, and especially this late. again if he is superior both gm's would know this and the appropriate piece or pieces would be added. I know a lot of their contracts are bad so this should be interesting.

 

[Vipers31]

Montour is a direct value comparable to Brown, Fowler to JVR, Larsson to Kapanen and Steel to Johnsson/Korshkov.

Wholeheartedly disagreed. Significantly higher ceiling and better development curve since being drafted.

 

[LuckyDucky]

Well in this case. You're talking about Matthews who is the unanimous #1 prospect in the world. In Nylander and Marner who are two of the league's top-5 prospects on many lists, top-10 on all.

No offence to Theo, Montour and Larsson but they aren't thought of like that.

Montour is a direct value comparable to Brown, Fowler to JVR, Larsson to Kapanen and Steel to Johnsson/Korshkov.

So if the Ducks had three top 10 prospects, then their 4-6 ranked prospects would immediately be rated higher. Interesting logic.

 

[aj8000]

No way in the world, Would that ever get you Lindholm.

There was a time I would have said there is no way in the world that the Ducks would get Selanne from the Jets; however, the Jets 1.0 could not afford Tkachuk and Selanne and had to make a deal.

The ducks have internal cap issues so maybe it will be payback time.

 

[dracom]

no problem duck gm possibly made huge mistake thinking lindkolm and rickel would sign bridge. if the reports are true that he is looking to unload contracts to sign both these players are true then he must have realized bridge deals might not happen and he will have a hard time, and especially this late. again if he is superior both gm's would know this and the appropriate piece or pieces would be added. I know a lot of their contracts are bad so this should be interesting.

Murray wanted to get both of them on long term deals, so you're wrong again.

Trouba is asking for similar money to Lindholm, so again why would the Ducks downgrade on a player who's asking for similar money? Especially to another team in the west. It's not going to happen.

 

[dracom]

There was a time I would have said there is no way in the world that the Ducks would get Selanne from the Jets; however, the Jets 1.0 could not afford Tkachuk and Selanne and had to make a deal.

The ducks have internal cap issues so maybe it will be payback time.

So you're comparing a trade from 20 years ago to now? Jeez..

That last sentence just shows you're salty about the Ducks having Teemu and now you're hoping the Jets will take Lindholm from us. That trade happened 20 years ago, Teemu is retired, get over it.