Proposal: Lindholm and Rakell trade discussion thread for Anaheim.

[WhatTheDuck]

Money and assets don't make sense for Anaheim.

I think we're looking more at...

Jost
Bigras/Zadorov
2nd
Iggy (Retained to balance both team's salaries)

That's at least what I imagine Lindholm costing, he's really good. Just not sure he's that good for the Avs.

Still an easy no. We don't move our young potential franchise D unless you offer MacKinnon, even that doesn't really work from our end since we already have two top 6 centers in place. Lindholm stays

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Still an easy no. We don't move our young potential franchise D unless you offer MacKinnon, even that doesn't really work from our end since we already have two top 6 centers in place. Lindholm stays

Perhaps that's the only way Anaheim moves him, but if Anaheim is against a wall contract-wise and has to move him, package value is what I was after. I think the package value is pretty fair.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Perhaps that's the only way Anaheim moves him, but if Anaheim is against a wall contract-wise and has to move him, package value is what I was after. I think the package value is pretty fair.

No one can force them to move Lindholm. It still makes way more sense to move out other money and keep the top young blueliner.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

No one can force them to move Lindholm. It still makes way more sense to move out other money and keep the top young blueliner.

I felt the same way when the Avs had to move ROR. Why not just dump our overpaid players and keep him. But it didn't quite work out that way, hopefully for Anaheim fans the same situation does not occur.

Regardless, if Lindholm is moved I don't see MacKinnon as his return. I think the package deal is much closer. Edmonton had a unique situation and Columbus wanted to move Johansen, not direct comparables to this situation.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I felt the same way when the Avs had to move ROR. Why not just dump our overpaid players and keep him. But it didn't quite work out that way, hopefully for Anaheim fans the same situation does not occur.

Regardless, if Lindholm is moved I don't see MacKinnon as his return. I think the package deal is much closer. Edmonton had a unique situation and Columbus wanted to move Johansen, not direct comparables to this situation.

Fowler is likely the guy to get dealt, and at $4M he's far from overpaid.

 

[dracom]

I felt the same way when the Avs had to move ROR. Why not just dump our overpaid players and keep him. But it didn't quite work out that way, hopefully for Anaheim fans the same situation does not occur.

Regardless, if Lindholm is moved I don't see MacKinnon as his return. I think the package deal is much closer. Edmonton had a unique situation and Columbus wanted to move Johansen, not direct comparables to this situation.

You guys had players who could replace ROR in your top 6 though right?

We don't have anyone who can replace Lindholm.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I initially put this in the other Lindholm thread

To Anaheim:
Trouba
2017 1st
B Prospect / 2nd Rounder

To Winnipeg:
Lindholm


Jets sign Lindholm to 7X7
Anaheim sign Trouba to 7X5

Everyone is happy.
World hunger is solved.
Birds sing.
The Maple Leafs get relegated to the AHL.


A perfect world!

 

[dracom]

I initially put this in the other Lindholm thread

To Anaheim:
Trouba
2017 1st
B Prospect / 2nd Rounder

To Winnipeg:
Lindholm


Jets sign Lindholm to 7X7
Anaheim sign Trouba to 7X5

Everyone is happy.
World hunger is solved.
Birds sing.
The Maple Leafs get relegated to the AHL.


A perfect world!

The only one that is happy is Winnipeg. Ducks aren't trading Lindholm to Winnipeg, deal with it.

 

[Arthuros]

I initially put this in the other Lindholm thread

To Anaheim:
Trouba
2017 1st
B Prospect / 2nd Rounder

To Winnipeg:
Lindholm


Jets sign Lindholm to 7X7
Anaheim sign Trouba to 7X5

Everyone is happy.
World hunger is solved.
Birds sing.
The Maple Leafs get relegated to the AHL.


A perfect world!

Unless you think the Jets are going to be a bubble team, there is no way they trade Trouba + 1st +2nd/B-prospect.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

I know cheap prospects are the key to Anaheim balancing its books, but it's time for BM to seriously consider a Bickell-type trade to end this thing once and for all.

Bieksa + Theodore for a late pick/C prospect from another team solves a ton of problems- protection spots, room for Rakell, room for Lindholm. Yes, it's a steep price to pay, but if the top four is going to be Lindholm-Vatanen/Fowler-Despres for the next couple of years, nothing of value is lost. The Ducks would still have Larsson, Montour, Welinski etc. in the pipeline to replace any further departures on the back-end.

The only question is one of trade partners. Carolina and Toronto could both absorb such a move, but neither has a particular need for young LHD. Is it worth it to them to lose a protection spot while absorbing that salary for two years? The Ducks would likely have to retain salary on top of that. It may even necessitate a pick thrown in.

However, Murray made this mess. No team is willingly going to help him out of it unless it vastly benefits them.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Unless you think the Jets are going to be a bubble team, there is no way they trade Trouba + 1st +2nd/B-prospect.

The only one that is happy is Winnipeg. Ducks aren't trading Lindholm to Winnipeg, deal with it.

I am getting mixed responses to this one so it must be close haha.

Obviously Anaheim wants to keep Lindholm as he is the better player.

The only way this trade works is if Anaheim doesn't want to sign him to $7+ mil. I believe the Jets can make that work. In return they get a $5 mil player (no way he signs for more. The Jets haven't even been able to negotiate with him so all rumors of him wanting $7+ are false).

To make up for the skill difference, we send a 1st and a prospect.

If its not enough, that's totally fine. Just throwing a line out there to gauge reaction.

 

[dracom]

I know cheap prospects are the key to Anaheim balancing its books, but it's time for BM to seriously consider a Bickell-type trade to end this thing once and for all.

Bieksa + Theodore for a late pick/C prospect from another team solves a ton of problems- protection spots, room for Rakell, room for Lindholm. Yes, it's a steep price to pay, but if the top four is going to be Lindholm-Vatanen/Fowler-Despres for the next couple of years, nothing of value is lost. The Ducks would still have Larsson, Montour, Welinski etc. in the pipeline to replace any further departures on the back-end.

The only question is one of trade partners. Carolina and Toronto could both absorb such a move, but neither has a particular need for young LHD. Is it worth it to them to lose a protection spot while absorbing that salary for two years? The Ducks would likely have to retain salary on top of that. It may even necessitate a pick thrown in.

However, Murray made this mess. No team is willingly going to help him out of it unless it vastly benefits them.

While I agree mostly, I would sooner trade Montour or Larsson before Theo; and it would have to be Stoner instead of Bieksa since he has a NMC. I know other Ducks fans hate the idea of trading Larsson in a cap dump, but teams aren't going to do us a favor and take Stoner; even if decent. Stoner and Larsson is the only cap dump deal I see as one that would work for both teams.

We get cap space for Lindholm and Rakell. The other team gets a serviceable bottom pairing defensemen that would help a young offensive D thrive (look at Vats), while getting a very good defensive prospect to replace Stoner in two years.

 

[dracom]

I am getting mixed responses to this one so it must be close haha.

Obviously Anaheim wants to keep Lindholm as he is the better player.

The only way this trade works is if Anaheim doesn't want to sign him to $7+ mil. I believe the Jets can make that work. In return they get a $5 mil player (no way he signs for more. The Jets haven't even been able to negotiate with him so all rumors of him wanting $7+ are false).

To make up for the skill difference, we send a 1st and a prospect.

If its not enough, that's totally fine. Just throwing a line out there to gauge reaction.

Well I'm saying no because our own GM has shot done the idea of trading Lindholm for Trouba.

Lindholm also doesn't want 7+ mil, he wants something around 6-6.5 million. I don't trust the idea that Trouba is going to ask less, until we hear more about it I'll put him in the same asking price as Lindholm/Risto.

We don't need picks/prospects so trying to make up for the skill difference means nothing for us.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Well I'm saying no because our own GM has shot done the idea of trading Lindholm for Trouba.

Lindholm also doesn't want 7+ mil, he wants something around 6-6.5 million. I don't trust the idea that Trouba is going to ask less, until we hear more about it I'll put him in the same asking price as Lindholm/Risto.

We don't need picks/prospects so trying to make up for the skill difference means nothing for us.

Fair enough.

Legit question. Not trying to poke the bear.
If all he's asking for is $6-$6.5, what's the delay?
Heck if we traded for him, I'd give him $7 X 8 in a heartbeat.

 

[Arthuros]

Fair enough.

Legit question. Not trying to poke the bear.
If all he's asking for is $6-$6.5, what's the delay?
Heck if we traded for him, I'd give him $7 X 8 in a heartbeat.

Budget team. Still need to sign Rakell.

Realistically, those are the two big reasons. I don't think a trade is incoming for Dumb and Dumber (Stoner and Bieksa), and I also don't think we'll be signing anyone else.

 

[HabsTown]

Pacioretty straight up for Lindholm!

 

[Mugzy97]

I put this in the Trouba thread:

To Jets:
Gardiner+2nd

To Leafs:
Trouba

THEN

To Ducks:
JVR retained 50%

To Leafs:
Fowler plus something for the retention.

Makes a lot of sense all around. I'd be mad about tacking on a 2nd, but we have so many that I think we could spare on in this circumstance.

 

[Benstheman]

Pacioretty + Andrighetto

vs

Fowler + Rakell

Then Anahein can sign Lindholm to that 6,5M$ per contract.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Budget team. Still need to sign Rakell.

Realistically, those are the two big reasons. I don't think a trade is incoming for Dumb and Dumber (Stoner and Bieksa), and I also don't think we'll be signing anyone else.

So what's the end game plan then? Are they just going to wait until Lindholm accepts less?

 

[scan15*]

Lindholm and Rakell to Toronto for:

William Nylander, 2 2nd round picks, Travis Dermott and the expiring contracts of Robidas, Greening and Laich

 

[scan15*]

Lindholm and Rakell to Toronto for:

Nylander, Gardiner, 2nd round pick and expiring contracts of Robidas and Greening.

 

[Arthuros]

So what's the end game plan then? Are they just going to wait until Lindholm accepts less?

I don't know. Trade Fowler or something? BM screwed himself over with the Two Stooges, I'd be amazed if he could find a perfect solution.

I originally thought Rakell would be traded, but it looks like negotiations are closer with Rakell than Lindholm.

Lindholm and Rakell to Toronto for:

William Nylander, 2 2nd round picks, Travis Dermott and the expiring contracts of Robidas, Greening and Laich

That's offensive.

 

[dracom]

So what's the end game plan then? Are they just going to wait until Lindholm accepts less?

Might be waiting for Thompson to LTIR so we can get a little cap space relief. Or Murray is really playing hard ball with Lindholm since he doesn't want to start a trend of overpaying RFAs who just come out of their ELC.

Lindholm and Rakell to Toronto for:

William Nylander, 2 2nd round picks, Travis Dermott and the expiring contracts of Robidas, Greening and Laich

So we give you Lindholm and Rakell, and we get one very good player, two mystery boxes and a player we have no need for and a cap dump? Yeah, no thanks.

 

[Cambodian Fouler]

Lindholm and Rakell to Toronto for:

William Nylander, 2 2nd round picks, Travis Dermott and the expiring contracts of Robidas, Greening and Laich

Please tell me you are not serious.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Might be waiting for Thompson to LTIR so we can get a little cap space relief. Or Murray is really playing hard ball with Lindholm since he doesn't want to start a trend of overpaying RFAs who just come out of their ELC.



So we give you Lindholm and Rakell, and we get one very good player, two mystery boxes and a player we have no need for and a cap dump? Yeah, no thanks.

Three cap dumps no less. What, that doesn't change your mind?