Proposal: Lindholm and Rakell trade discussion thread for Anaheim.

[dracom]

Three cap dumps no less. What, that doesn't change your mind?

Oh jeez, I read that as one of them not all three. That is actually the most insulting offer for our players I've ever seen.

 

[aj8000]

I doubt many Ducks fans would complain about JVR at 50% for Fowler. It fills their LW need as well as gives them cap space for RFAs. I also have no doubt that Jets fans will hate every possible proposal for Trouba as he seems to be this generation's Bobby Orr.

I guess we will all wait to see the actual trade if it happens to see who was right in regards to Trouba; however, it is possible that one of the two RFA for the ducks will be traded sometime before December 1if the ducks feel that they cannot afford them both.

 

[Hunter368]

I put this in the Trouba thread:

To Jets:
Gardiner+2nd

To Leafs:
Trouba

THEN

To Ducks:
JVR retained 50%

To Leafs:
Fowler plus something for the retention.

That would allow the Ducks some cap space to sign RFAs.

Problem 1: Leafs fans don't like the thought of dealing JVR.

Problem 2: Jets fans have valued Trouba higher than Jesus himself.

A bit of a wild generalization there about Jets fans, that trade alone your suggesting for Trouba I (and a few other Jet fans) stated I would be happy with it multi times as well as a few other trades. Plus even suggested no LHD being available that met Chevy demands leading to trading Trouba for the bpa (forwards) and then going out making a separate trade for a older top 4 serviceable LHD with 1-2 years on contract. By trading a pick or prospect. Gives us more time to develop our own LHD prospects.

Let's not paint an entire fan base based off a few people's responses only (as a Leaf fan you know this already) Jets fans as a whole shot down the idea b/c he requested a trade we now are forced to take scraps for him.

 

[go4hockey]

I initially put this in the other Lindholm thread

To Anaheim:
Trouba
2017 1st
B Prospect / 2nd Rounder

To Winnipeg:
Lindholm


Jets sign Lindholm to 7X7
Anaheim sign Trouba to 7X5

Everyone is happy.
World hunger is solved.
Birds sing.
The Maple Leafs get relegated to the AHL.


A perfect world!

Dream on. Ana would not make this deal and if there was a deal to be made it would surely include one of your top flight young forwards. But there is little chance the Ducks move the guy that's more likely to become a #1 guy out of anyone on their roster.

 

[go4hockey]

Pacioretty straight up for Lindholm!

This is a joke right...,, come on man that is a junk offer for a defenseman like Lindholm. There would be a pretty big add.

 

[go4hockey]

Lindholm and Rakell to Toronto for:

William Nylander, 2 2nd round picks, Travis Dermott and the expiring contracts of Robidas, Greening and Laich

If they ever decide to move Lindholm there is no way they would have to take all them crappy cap dumps your adding in. Get real a budget team moving the best player in the deal does not accept cap dumps.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Rakell I'd love to get since he was our original draft pick.

Lindholm makes more sense though.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Pacioretty + Beaulieu

 

[anezthes]

To Ducks:
JVR retained 50%

To Leafs:
Fowler plus something for the retention.

Solid.

Nylander, Marner and Dermott for Lindholm, Rakell.

I'd consider that.

Tyson Jost
Eric Gelinas
Jarome Iginla
JT Compher

for

Lindholm

Money and assets don't make sense for Anaheim.

I think we're looking more at...

Jost
Bigras/Zadorov
2nd
Iggy (Retained to balance both team's salaries)

That's at least what I imagine Lindholm costing, he's really good. Just not sure he's that good for the Avs.

You serious?

I initially put this in the other Lindholm thread

To Anaheim:
Trouba
2017 1st
B Prospect / 2nd Rounder

To Winnipeg:
Lindholm

OK value.

Pacioretty straight up for Lindholm!

Pacioretty + Andrighetto

vs

Fowler + Rakell

F no.

Lindholm and Rakell to Toronto for:

William Nylander, 2 2nd round picks, Travis Dermott and the expiring contracts of Robidas, Greening and Laich

 

[GoJetsGo55]

OK value.

That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me in the section

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

You serious?

Only as serious as you are.

 

[Fogelhund]

I put this in the Trouba thread:

To Jets:
Gardiner+2nd

To Leafs:
Trouba

THEN

To Ducks:
JVR retained 50%

To Leafs:
Fowler plus something for the retention.

That would allow the Ducks some cap space to sign RFAs.

Problem 1: Leafs fans don't like the thought of dealing JVR.

Problem 2: Jets fans have valued Trouba higher than Jesus himself.

Is this doable with the Leafs cap situation?

 

[Avs44]

Only as serious as you are.

To be honest, as many cap and budget issues as they have, Anaheim has to compete now. The money they have invested in Getzlaf / Perry / Kesler, something around twenty-three million (and that total runs through 2021), means that building for the future if it comes at the cost of neglecting the present isn't a great idea. Not only do they have no forward talent to replace those three guys, but the cap hits of those players alone means that they have to win while they are still at a high level - because in the final 1-2 years of those deals that 23 million could cripple them.


As such, I think the Avs would have to start with Landeskog if they want any shot at getting a conversation for Lindholm started.

 

[anezthes]

To be honest, as many cap and budget issues as they have, Anaheim has to compete now. The money they have invested in Getzlaf / Perry / Kesler, something around twenty-three million (and that total runs through 2021), means that building for the future if it comes at the cost of neglecting the present isn't a great idea. Not only do they have no forward talent to replace those three guys, but the cap hits of those players alone means that they have to win while they are still at a high level - because in the final 1-2 years of those deals that 23 million could cripple them.


As such, I think the Avs would have to start with Landeskog if they want any shot at getting a conversation for Lindholm started.

Nope. MacKinnon.

 

[Liferleafer]

Is this doable with the Leafs cap situation?

Gardiner out...Fowler in=wash. Lupul has been declared unfit=5+million LTIR (Robidas has retired)...so that covers the 2.1 of JVR'S retention plus some. We have a bunch of contracts coming off the books next season when Trouba's new deal kicks in....and yhen there is the Cowen buyout....

 

[OnTheBrink]

Lindholm + Rakell + '17 2nd

For

Draisaitl + Reinhart + Yakupov + unprotected'17 1st

Draisaitl + Reinhart< Lindholm

Yak + unprotected '17 1st > Rakell + 2nd

 

[Ducks Nation*]

No one wants Reinhart he's an AHL defensemen. And we don't want yak. Horrible.

 

[Ducks in a row]

I put this in the Trouba thread:

To Jets:
Gardiner+2nd

To Leafs:
Trouba

THEN

To Ducks:
JVR retained 50%

To Leafs:
Fowler plus something for the retention.

That would allow the Ducks some cap space to sign RFAs.

Problem 1: Leafs fans don't like the thought of dealing JVR.

Problem 2: Jets fans have valued Trouba higher than Jesus himself.

Maybe depending on what that extra part is that Ducks trading away

Money and assets don't make sense for Anaheim.

I think we're looking more at...

Jost
Bigras/Zadorov
2nd
Iggy (Retained to balance both team's salaries)

That's at least what I imagine Lindholm costing, he's really good. Just not sure he's that good for the Avs.

We don't want any defenseman and we are not trading Lindholm when he is easily the biggest piece.

I know cheap prospects are the key to Anaheim balancing its books, but it's time for BM to seriously consider a Bickell-type trade to end this thing once and for all.

Bieksa + Theodore for a late pick/C prospect from another team solves a ton of problems- protection spots, room for Rakell, room for Lindholm. Yes, it's a steep price to pay, but if the top four is going to be Lindholm-Vatanen/Fowler-Despres for the next couple of years, nothing of value is lost. The Ducks would still have Larsson, Montour, Welinski etc. in the pipeline to replace any further departures on the back-end.

The only question is one of trade partners. Carolina and Toronto could both absorb such a move, but neither has a particular need for young LHD. Is it worth it to them to lose a protection spot while absorbing that salary for two years? The Ducks would likely have to retain salary on top of that. It may even necessitate a pick thrown in.

However, Murray made this mess. No team is willingly going to help him out of it unless it vastly benefits them.

Ducks are not trading our top defenseman prospect who had already played some in the NHL and has looked good to dump a contract. We can have Bieksa waiver for expansion so we don't us a protection spot on him or buy him out.

Pacioretty straight up for Lindholm!

Nope

Pacioretty + Andrighetto

vs

Fowler + Rakell

Then Anahein can sign Lindholm to that 6,5M$ per contract.

Not interested.

Lindholm and Rakell to Toronto for:

Nylander, Gardiner, 2nd round pick and expiring contracts of Robidas and Greening.

No way

Pacioretty + Beaulieu

Beaulieu is a defenseman we have enough defenseman we don't want any defenseman not trading Lindholm and Rakell for this.

Lindholm + Rakell + '17 2nd

For

Draisaitl + Reinhart + Yakupov + unprotected'17 1st

Draisaitl + Reinhart< Lindholm

Yak + unprotected '17 1st > Rakell + 2nd

Reinhart is a defenseman we have enough defenseman we don't want any defenseman. Yakupov sucks he isn't the type you want in the bottom 6 and he isn't good enough yet for the top 6. That leaves Draisaitl and a unprotected 1st as the only attractive pieces. With Lindholm and Larsson joining the Oilers blueline this season they could be a much better team making that pick not so great. Don't want to help Oilers with their blueline at all.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Money and assets don't make sense for Anaheim.

I think we're looking more at...

Jost
Bigras/Zadorov
2nd
Iggy (Retained to balance both team's salaries)

That's at least what I imagine Lindholm costing, he's really good. Just not sure he's that good for the Avs.

Lol no. You dont get a young franchise d in a quality for quantity

 

[oStealthKiller*]

Yak@ 50%, pouliot at 50%, 2017 first round pick, 2018 2nd round pick, griffin Reinhart for lindholm

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Yak@ 50%, pouliot at 50%, 2017 first round pick, 2018 2nd round pick, griffin Reinhart for lindholm

If the names McDavid or Draisaitl are not named then no.

 

[dracom]

Yak@ 50%, pouliot at 50%, 2017 first round pick, 2018 2nd round pick, griffin Reinhart for lindholm

So a bad player who is a huge bust, a meh top 8 winger who is 30 and can't stay healthy, 2 mystery boxes that will most likely be late picks if you're getting Lindholm, and a meh defensemen for Lindholm...

Quantity for quality will not get you a #1 potential D who has shown great success already from a divisional rival.

 

[wintersej]

Do the Ducks match a 4 1sts OS?

 

[dracom]

Do the Ducks match a 4 1sts OS?

probably not, but I don't see a team offering that.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Yak@ 50%, pouliot at 50%, 2017 first round pick, 2018 2nd round pick, griffin Reinhart for lindholm

Might as well said you have no interest in trading for Lindholm because that doesn't come close to getting us trading Lindholm especially to a division rival.