Leon Draisaitl 3rd 110+ point season in 4 years...

[McNuge]

He is a goal scorer, but usually when he's in his spot, similar to Ovi.

I think he means more so that Leon has always been a playmaker growing up, where as guys like Ovi, Stamkos, Matthews have always been goal scorers

 

[McFlash97]

Higher scoring era.

MacKinnon and Kucherov are both better though it is close, and that’s just for the forwards.

No they're not. Lol MacKinnon has had 1 40 plus goal season and never has exceeded 35 and he's somehow better than LD29 ? Congrats man. At this point there's more to hockey than skating really fast all the time looking like your a 150 point player but scoring 85 points. Then being injured the rest of the time.

 

[notbias]

Draisaitl has achieved higher highs than Malkin or Crosby and is coming for all but Jagr’s best season. Already has the same # of 50/50 seasons as Jagr and would have passed if not for COVID

Drai is #1 goalscorer over the last 5 years and universally recognized as the top playmaker. Same career faceoff% as Crosby. 3rd best playoff ppg all-time.

If it wasn’t for McDavid nobody would question him being the #1 player in the world

If he didn't have McDavid (especially on the PP), he wouldn't be putting up the same points, silly argument.

He is one of the best 100ft players though.

 

[Frank Drebin]

If he didn't have McDavid (especially on the PP), he wouldn't be putting up the same points, silly argument.

He is one of the best 100ft players though.

One of the best?

 

[Zerotonine]

Aside from Orr and Espo, has any other generational talent had a guy like Drai to work with?

Ill assume we all think Drai > Backstrom.

Drai > Malkin?
Drai > Messier?
Drai > Jagr?

Drai and McD spend more time together than all these too.

I'm huge Draisaitl fan, but no way is he anywhere near close to jagr at the moment. He has potential to pass him 100 percent but right now jagr with out a doubt. But I'll agree on the other 2

 

[snag]

If he didn't have McDavid (especially on the PP), he wouldn't be putting up the same points, silly argument.

He is one of the best 100ft players though.

The fact of the matter is they do. Regardless of how people want to disparage them.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

If he didn't have McDavid (especially on the PP), he wouldn't be putting up the same points, silly argument.

He is one of the best 100ft players though.

If McDavid didn't have Draisaitl he wouldn't be putting up 150 either, what's your point? You and other posters here also don't seem to understand that there are 4 teammates on the ice with you, not 1. Whatever the gap you think there is between McDavid and someone like Rantanen/Stamkos, they're more than made up for by the fact that MacKinnon/Kucherov etc get to play with guys like Landeskog/Makar/Point/Hedman while the most Draisaitl gets to work with are RNH/Nurse and is often saddled with shitters like Yamamoto/Foegele/Kahun/Keith/Kulak. As it turns out great players play better with great players and these two largely play on different lines at even strength anyway. Why are other stars allowed to play with elite full 5 man units while Draisaitl isn't even allowed to have 30% of his even ice time with McDavid?

 

[Dieseloil]

If McDavid didn't have Draisaitl he wouldn't be putting up 150 either, what's your point? You and other posters here also don't seem to understand that there are 4 teammates on the ice with you, not 1. Whatever the gap you think there is between McDavid and someone like Rantanen/Stamkos, they're more than made up for by the fact that MacKinnon/Kucherov etc get to play with guys like Landeskog/Makar/Point/Hedman while the most Draisaitl gets to work with are RNH/Nurse and is often saddled with shitters like Yamamoto/Foegele/Kahun/Keith/Kulak. As it turns out great players play better with great players and these two largely play on different lines at even strength anyway. Why are other stars allowed to play with elite full 5 man units while Draisaitl isn't even allowed to have 30% of his even ice time with McDavid?

The answer is simple, after that unfair draft in 2015, those damn Oilers aren’t allowed to have 2 great players, they don’t deserve them and they sure as hell better not have any success. Furthermore, the Oiler haters will flood all forms of social media till the end of eternity to try to right the wrongs that the hockey gods have rained down. Drai just can’t be great, it’s not fair.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

If he didn't have McDavid (especially on the PP), he wouldn't be putting up the same points, silly argument.

He is one of the best 100ft players though.

It’s weird. Draisaitl is the only player on HFboards that gets punished for producing with great players. It’s weird how we never hear you say this with say, Matthews or Marner.

 

[notbias]

It’s weird. Draisaitl is the only player on HFboards that gets punished for producing with great players. It’s weird how we never hear you say this with say, Matthews or Marner.

I don't think he should be punished, but ignoring it is silly. The original post said he would be talked about as the #1 player in the world if it wasn't for McDavid, well without McDavid he wouldn't have the stats to be discussed as #1.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I don't think he should be punished, but ignoring it is silly. The original post said he would be talked about as the #1 player in the world if it wasn't for McDavid, well without McDavid he wouldn't have the stats to be discussed as #1.

You don’t know that though. You can’t claim that without McDavid he wouldn’t be in discussion for number one.

Youre punishing him for having a teammate that’s the best player in the league. You don’t do that for guys on your team. Now that’s silly.

 

[notbias]

You don’t know that though. You can’t claim that without McDavid he wouldn’t be in discussion for number one.

Youre punishing him for having a teammate that’s the best player in the league. You don’t do that for guys on your team. Now that’s silly.

I normally just punish him for playing one end of the ice and being bad at 5v5 (keeping the puck out of your net matters), but I am sure his stats away from McDavid are not great.

 

[Fourier]

I don't think he should be punished, but ignoring it is silly. The original post said he would be talked about as the #1 player in the world if it wasn't for McDavid, well without McDavid he wouldn't have the stats to be discussed as #1.

How many points would he have if he was centering Marchand and Pastrnak? What if he replaced Nylander on the Leafs and he played with one or both of Marner and Matthews? Do you actually know how many fewer points he would have in these situations or are we simply to assume that you are correct in your bolded statement without any further justification?

 

[CanadienShark]

He is a goal scorer, but usually when he's in his spot, similar to Ovi.

He's good at scoring goals, but he's not the typical goal scorer like Ovechkin, Matthews, etc. I'd describe him as more playmaker than goalscorer if I had to pick one.

 

[Homesick]

I don't think he should be punished, but ignoring it is silly. The original post said he would be talked about as the #1 player in the world if it wasn't for McDavid, well without McDavid he wouldn't have the stats to be discussed as #1.

Name a player currently that would be without his best teammate

He's good at scoring goals, but he's not the typical goal scorer like Ovechkin, Matthews, etc. I'd describe him as more playmaker than goalscorer if I had to pick one.

Just because he's better a olaymaking does not diminish his skills as a goal scorer.
Roaming the perimeter waiting for the one timer like Ovi/Matthews does is a "typical" sniper

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I normally just punish him for playing one end of the ice and being bad at 5v5 (keeping the puck out of your net matters), but I am sure his stats away from McDavid are not great.

Putting the puck in the net also matters, if not more. After all, to win a hockey game you have to score more goals than the other team.

We’re in 2023. Draisaitl has hit the 50 goal and 120 point plateau. Yet, we have this community frothing at the mouth over how he gets to play with McDavid, and members like you who completely discredit and punish a player for having that luxury.

If you’re going to make a claim that Draisaitl, who in a limited sample size put up 19 points in 12 games sans McDavid, wouldn’t even be in the discussion for number 1 in the NHL without McDavid, then you must punish Matthews and Marner too, since they benefit from playing with elite players. Ditto for Mackinnon and Kucherov.

 

[VainGretzky]

Leaf fans that continue to downplay Draisaitl, here are the facts Draisaitl has outproduced Matthews head-to-head since they have been in the league this year Drai has a 42 point lead on him, so if you continue with this nonsense all you are doing is proving how far removed Matthews is from McDavid and is multiple tiers behind hin and other elite players in the league

 

[Video Nasty]

HFBoards, the land where pace, projections, and what ifs outweigh real world results over a large sample size.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

If he didn't have McDavid (especially on the PP), he wouldn't be putting up the same points, silly argument.

He is one of the best 100ft players though.

Of course. Great players make each other better.
Did you just discover this?

 

[Nostradumbass]

I normally just punish him for playing one end of the ice and being bad at 5v5 (keeping the puck out of your net matters), but I am sure his stats away from McDavid are not great.

Which of these stats from his past 3 seasons suggest he is bad 5v5?

 

[commie]

If he didn't have McDavid (especially on the PP), he wouldn't be putting up the same points, silly argument.

He is one of the best 100ft players though.

Why don't you make the same statement about Kucherov wihout Point(he with 48+ goals), or Mackinnon without Rantanen (he with 48+ goals), Pasta without Marchand, or Matthews without Marner(he with close to 100 pts).
What top scorers in the NHL does not play with other top players? Maybe just maybe, the top players elevate each other?
Why does every player in the league gets the benefit of their linemates/teammates, but not Drai or Mcdavid?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Putting the puck in the net also matters, if not more. After all, to win a hockey game you have to score more goals than the other team.

We’re in 2023. Draisaitl has hit the 50 goal and 120 point plateau. Yet, we have this community frothing at the mouth over how he gets to play with McDavid, and members like you who completely discredit and punish a player for having that luxury.

If you’re going to make a claim that Draisaitl, who in a limited sample size put up 19 points in 12 games sans McDavid, wouldn’t even be in the discussion for number 1 in the NHL without McDavid, then you must punish Matthews and Marner too, since they benefit from playing with elite players. Ditto for Mackinnon and Kucherov.

Auston Matthews before he got to play with Marner was a 40-ish goal, 70-80-ish point (pace) player. Auston Matthews after being put with Marner has scored 60 goals and 100+ points. Since Marner was put on his line his totals (pace) have increased by about 15 to 20 goals and about 20 points.

So I guess we can conclude that without Marner, Matthews also has no claim to being in the discussion for top 5 player in the league, either.

 

[alphahelix]

Draisaitl has achieved higher highs than Malkin or Crosby and is coming for all but Jagr’s best season. Already has the same # of 50/50 seasons as Jagr and would have passed if not for COVID

I don't think he should be punished, but ignoring it is silly. The original post said he would be talked about as the #1 player in the world if it wasn't for McDavid, well without McDavid he wouldn't have the stats to be discussed

Jagr wouldn’t have scored 149 without Lemieux, Crosby wouldn’t have scored 120 without Malkin, etc.

Draisaitl is a beast of a play-driving center right now between Kane and Yamamoto. Good linemates, but no Rantanen-Landeskog or Stamkos-Point.

Arguably the Oilers stars have had it the hardest in terms of supporting cast over their young careers, often playing with the likes of Ty Rattie, Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Benoit Pouliot, Nail Yakupov, Zack Kassian, Pat Maroon, Zach Hyman, Joakim Nygard, Milan Lucic, Tyler Ennis, Josh Archibald, Alex Chiasson, an oft-injured Evander Kane & of course each other.

Many of these guys aren’t NHL players or have been pure 4th liners on their teams after Playing With McDrai. Maroon went from McDavid’s main winger down the stretch to TBL’s 4th line: Kucherov never had to share the ice with this guy.

Even Zach Hyman was cut loose from Toronto because he wasn’t one of their full-time top 6 forwards and has been stapled to McDavid ever since. Evander Kane had his contract illegally cancelled and was banished from the Team. Kassian has 1 goal post-McDavid.

Draisaitl’s right hand man Yamamoto went like 30 games without a goal this season. That doesn’t help drive numbers.

Crosby has had many linemates over the years but Guentzel is better than any full-time winger McDavid has had in his career. Crosby started out sharing minutes with Ziggy Palffy, Mario Lemieux, Mark Recchi, etc.

McDrai’s all-star early-career veteran assistance came in the form of Milan Lucic.

Now, we haven’t even discussed that Crosby’s best-ever 120 point season came in a season where he had almost TWO HUNDRED (200) more Power Plays than the Oilers this year. And the Jagr/Lemieux Pens and the all-time point leaders from 92/93 and ’87-’89, some of those teams had over FIVE HUNDRED PPO’s compared to the Oilers 260ish this year. Lots of other critical elements to discuss that are mitigating Oilers production. Yikes.

 

[sportsdynasty]

Higher scoring era.

MacKinnon and Kucherov are both better though it is close, and that’s just for the forwards.

Draisaitl is a better passer and a better goal scorer than both MacKinnon and Kucherov.

 

[Skolman]