Leon Draisaitl 3rd 110+ point season in 4 years...

[Hockey Outsider]

Draisaitl hat trick for his 50th of the season. He is only 12th player in NHL history to have three seasons with 50 goals and 50 assists.

I think 11 players have done this (not 12). Gretzky did it 9 times. Bossy 7. Lemieux, Lafleur and Dionne 6. Yzerman and Esposito 5. Kurri 4. Jagr, Ovechkin and Draisaitl 3 - am I missing anyone?

 

[Senor Catface]

I think 11 players have done this (not 12). Gretzky did it 9 times. Bossy 7. Lemieux, Lafleur and Dionne 6. Yzerman and Esposito 5. Kurri 4. Jagr, Ovechkin and Draisaitl 3 - am I missing anyone?

ignore me haha

 

[Porkleaker]

He's good at scoring goals, but he's not the typical goal scorer like Ovechkin, Matthews, etc. I'd describe him as more playmaker than goalscorer if I had to pick one.

That's just false. Or people are sleeping on Drai. Not just a goal scorer but one of the most consistent goal scorers.

Most goals in NHL the past five seasons:
Draisaitl: 229
Matthews: 222
Ovechkin: 215
McDavid: 214
Pastrnak: 202

 

[mclaren55]

Hey man, this guy won me a bunch of money on a player prop bet last night. Stellar performance and it was great to watch. The building was bumpin too! Nice to see Edmonton putting it together finally. Also happy to see Hyman doing so well. Congrats to Draisaitl, I remember watching him years ago in junior tourney for Germany and thinking he was going to be special.

*leaf fan btw*

 

[Porkleaker]

I think he means more so that Leon has always been a playmaker growing up, where as guys like Ovi, Stamkos, Matthews have always been goal scorers

last 5 seasons Drai has more goals. Idk what that makes him then. Probably the most consistent goal scorer in the league.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

ignore me haha

He only did that twice. (There are some big names who "only" had two 50 & 50 seasons - Sakic, Selanne, Robitaille, Mogilny, etc).

 

[Senor Catface]

He only did that twice. (There are some big names who "only" had two 50 & 50 seasons - Sakic, Selanne, Robitaille, Mogilny, etc).

Yeaaaaah, exactly. That's why I changed my post.

 

[TheGuiminator]

Starting to think that prime/peak Draisaitl might be just as good if not slightly better than prime Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin

 

[Satire]

Starting to think that prime/peak Draisaitl might be just as good if not slightly better than Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin

I'd personally rate him as on par with Malkin, but I do think I'd give prime Crosby and Ovi a nod over him. That's not a knock against Drai either. Drai is a bit of a mix between those two and prime Thorton. Malkin is underrated as well.

I'm also of the opinion the MacKinnon is a great comparable to Drai as well. If he'd stay healthy he would be putting up comparable seasons too.

Oilers fans are blessed to be able to watch arguably the 2 best players in the league play every night. Hopefully that translates into a cup sat some point.

 

[Regal]

I'd personally rate him as on par with Malkin, but I do think I'd give prime Crosby and Ovi a nod over him. That's not a knock against Drai either. Drai is a bit of a mix between those two and prime Thorton. Malkin is underrated as well.

I'm also of the opinion the MacKinnon is a great comparable to Drai as well. If he'd stay healthy he would be putting up comparable seasons too.

Oilers fans are blessed to be able to watch arguably the 2 best players in the league play every night. Hopefully that translates into a cup sat some point.

That’s definitely one of the big pluses with Draisaitl though too over both MacKinnon and Malkin. The guy is a tank and rarely misses games (only 8 over the past 7 seasons).

 

[Dieseloil]

last 5 seasons Drai has more goals. Idk what that makes him then. Probably the most consistent goal scorer in the league.

Yes, but that 5v5 and defensive stat that keeps rattling around in heads.

 

[McPoyle]

Drai was more of a pure playmaker in junior so that assessment makes sense to me. It also makes his evolution into one of the best shooters in the world so much more impressive.

 

[Macheteops]

Drai is having better stretch than Connor lately. It's crazy. Hottest player rn

Drai has been looking good too. He has nights where he still puts up points but isn't very impressive looking but the last 3-4 games he's been better than McDavid

 

[CanadienShark]

Name a player currently that would be without his best teammate


Just because he's better a olaymaking does not diminish his skills as a goal scorer.
Roaming the perimeter waiting for the one timer like Ovi/Matthews does is a "typical" sniper

No shit dude. I've been raving about him in this thread. Why do you take my comments as a knock? I was literally just talking about how he's such a multifaceted offensive threat.

That's just false. Or people are sleeping on Drai. Not just a goal scorer but one of the most consistent goal scorers.

Most goals in NHL the past five seasons:
Draisaitl: 229
Matthews: 222
Ovechkin: 215
McDavid: 214
Pastrnak: 202

No it's not. See above. Or read my other posts here. Yikes some people are insecure.

 

[Homesick]

No shit dude. I've been raving about him in this thread. Why do you take my comments as a knock? I was literally just talking about how he's such a multifaceted offensive threat.

I just added to your comment. I didn't say anything about you being wrong so you might want to take some of your own advice

 

[mkatcherin00]

If he didn't have McDavid (especially on the PP), he wouldn't be putting up the same points, silly argument.

He is one of the best 100ft players though.

Her would 100% eclipse 100 pts on another good team. Easily. Did you watch him last night (and a lot of other nights?). He was setting guys up left and right an could have had 7-8 points. He is dominant with Kane and Yammo when he is on. He didn't even look good for half of the season, but I think his ankle is fully healed. He is much faster now.

 

[flying squirrel]

Drai is legit and with McDavid they're lethal.

Every time that line is on ice, opponent fans pucker up!

 

[Canovin]

Drai is like Vegeta. 2nd to Goku. Still the 2nd best

 

[CanadienShark]

I just added to your comment. I didn't say anything about you being wrong so you might want to take some of your own advice

It seemed like you're implying that I'm diminishing him as a goal scorer. I'm doing no such thing. Sorry if I misread you, but I've got nothing but good to say about him.

 

[mkatcherin00]

Jagr wouldn’t have scored 149 without Lemieux, Crosby wouldn’t have scored 120 without Malkin, etc.

Draisaitl is a beast of a play-driving center right now between Kane and Yamamoto. Good linemates, but no Rantanen-Landeskog or Stamkos-Point.

Arguably the Oilers stars have had it the hardest in terms of supporting cast over their young careers, often playing with the likes of Ty Rattie, Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Benoit Pouliot, Nail Yakupov, Zack Kassian, Pat Maroon, Zach Hyman, Joakim Nygard, Milan Lucic, Tyler Ennis, Josh Archibald, Alex Chiasson, an oft-injured Evander Kane & of course each other.

Many of these guys aren’t NHL players or have been pure 4th liners on their teams after Playing With McDrai. Maroon went from McDavid’s main winger down the stretch to TBL’s 4th line: Kucherov never had to share the ice with this guy.

Even Zach Hyman was cut loose from Toronto because he wasn’t one of their full-time top 6 forwards and has been stapled to McDavid ever since. Evander Kane had his contract illegally cancelled and was banished from the Team. Kassian has 1 goal post-McDavid.

Draisaitl’s right hand man Yamamoto went like 30 games without a goal this season. That doesn’t help drive numbers.

Crosby has had many linemates over the years but Guentzel is better than any full-time winger McDavid has had in his career. Crosby started out sharing minutes with Ziggy Palffy, Mario Lemieux, Mark Recchi, etc.

McDrai’s all-star early-career veteran assistance came in the form of Milan Lucic.

Now, we haven’t even discussed that Crosby’s best-ever 120 point season came in a season where he had almost TWO HUNDRED (200) more Power Plays than the Oilers this year. And the Jagr/Lemieux Pens and the all-time point leaders from 92/93 and ’87-’89, some of those teams had over FIVE HUNDRED PPO’s compared to the Oilers 260ish this year. Lots of other critical elements to discuss that are mitigating Oilers production. Yikes.

Stop talking common sense. It is frowned upon here. lol

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]

I truly believe the best of the best (Crosby,Mcdavid,Lemieux,Gretzky) elevate their teammates and not just statistically, the work ethic and motivation to be the best rub off on the malkin, Draisaitl, jagr, messier.

Watch for whatever team to get bedard a similar thing will happen(zegras I’m looking at you)

 

[Matsun]

Jagr wouldn’t have scored 149 without Lemieux, Crosby wouldn’t have scored 120 without Malkin, etc.

1999 Calendar Year	Team	GP	G	A	P	P/GP
Jaromir Jagr	PIT	84	63	89	152	1,81
Teemu Selanne	ANA	84	48	61	109	1,3
Paul Kariya	ANA	86	42	54	96	1,12
Pavol Demitra	STL	85	35	55	90	1,06
Theo Fleury	COL, NYR	75	32	58	90	1,2
Pierre Turgeon	STL	75	35	53	88	1,17
John LeClair	PHI	78	41	46	87	1,12
Eric Lindros	PHI	70	37	50	87	1,24
Joe Sakic	COL	65	35	52	87	1,34
Owen Nolan	SJS	87	43	42	85	0,98
Jeremy Roenick	PHX	79	29	52	81	1,03
Tony Amonte	CHI	85	39	41	80	0,94
Ziggy Palffy	NYI, LAK	78	35	45	80	1,03
Mike Modano	DAL	79	37	42	79	1
Mats Sundin	TOR	75	34	41	75	1
Mark Recchi	PHI	77	26	49	75	0,97
Petr Sykora	NJD	83	29	43	72	0,87
Ray Whitney	FLA	85	30	41	71	0,84
Alex Kovalev	PIT	86	31	39	70	0,81
Jason Allison	BOS	80	22	48	70	0,88

This is the scoring in the calendar year 1999 in the middle of the dead puck era. Jagr dominated with no Mario, Francis, Stevens or Coffey. Only Wayne, Mario and McDavid has had more points in a year. Jagr doubled the next highest scoring teammate which no other mortal monster season can say. His 149 point season with Mario was 3 years before this. This stretch of games was sandwiched between Jagrs 2 seasons were he won the Art Ross with 20 points first, and then won the Art Ross while missing 19 games.

 

[nowhereman]

Starting to think that prime/peak Draisaitl might be just as good if not slightly better than prime Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin

Uh, yeah... no.

Scoring is through the roof, at levels we haven't seen since the early 90s, and he is highly dependent on McDavid for the majority of his offense. This is a league where everyone is putting up career highs, including guys 10 years past their prime. Guys like Pavelski and Bergeron, who are coming up on 40 years old, are scoring at a rate similar or better than their respective primes. Hell, a 29 year old RNH is going to score 100 points. Physicality is at an all-time low, goalie equipment is smaller and 3-on-3 overtime is a thing. Put peak OV in the league and he's probably flirting with 75 goals, while Crosby would likely be giving McDavid a run for his money.

Even though I think he is one of the most underrated players in the NHL, any idea that Draisaitl is on the level of peak Crosby or Ovechkin purely a mirage.

 

[alphahelix]

1999 Calendar Year	Team	GP	G	A	P	P/GP
Jaromir Jagr	PIT	84	63	89	152	1,81
Teemu Selanne	ANA	84	48	61	109	1,3
Paul Kariya	ANA	86	42	54	96	1,12
Pavol Demitra	STL	85	35	55	90	1,06
Theo Fleury	COL, NYR	75	32	58	90	1,2
Pierre Turgeon	STL	75	35	53	88	1,17
John LeClair	PHI	78	41	46	87	1,12
Eric Lindros	PHI	70	37	50	87	1,24
Joe Sakic	COL	65	35	52	87	1,34
Owen Nolan	SJS	87	43	42	85	0,98
Jeremy Roenick	PHX	79	29	52	81	1,03
Tony Amonte	CHI	85	39	41	80	0,94
Ziggy Palffy	NYI, LAK	78	35	45	80	1,03
Mike Modano	DAL	79	37	42	79	1
Mats Sundin	TOR	75	34	41	75	1
Mark Recchi	PHI	77	26	49	75	0,97
Petr Sykora	NJD	83	29	43	72	0,87
Ray Whitney	FLA	85	30	41	71	0,84
Alex Kovalev	PIT	86	31	39	70	0,81
Jason Allison	BOS	80	22	48	70	0,88

This is the scoring in the calendar year 1999 in the middle of the dead puck era. Jagr dominated with no Mario, Francis, Stevens or Coffey. Only Wayne, Mario and McDavid has had more points in a year. Jagr doubled the next highest scoring teammate which no other mortal monster season can say. His 149 point season with Mario was 3 years before this. This stretch of games was sandwiched between Jagrs 2 seasons were he won the Art Ross with 20 points first, and then won the Art Ross while missing 19 games.

A calendar year is an arbitrary and unrecognized interval, and I don’t even know how to pull these stats besides maybe scraping the NHL database and executing some MySQL queries. However, I was able to decipher that in Calendar Year 2022 Leon Draisaitl’s stat line was:

Leon Draisaitl

101GP

59G

89A

148P

 

[alphahelix]

Uh, yeah... no.

Scoring is through the roof, at levels we haven't seen since the early 90s, and he is highly dependent on McDavid for the majority of his offense. This is a league where everyone is putting up career highs, including guys 10 years past their prime. Hell, a 29 year old RNH is going to score 100 points. Put peak OV in the league and he's probably flirting with 75 goals, while Crosby would likely be giving McDavid a run for his money.

Even though I think he is one of the most underrated players in the NHL, any idea that Draisaitl is on the level of peak Crosby or Ovechkin purely a mirage.

Even If you don’t count this season Draisaitl still has as many 50 goal seasons as Crosby and Malkin combined ,as well as 110 point seasons.

Drai has the same # of 50/50 seasons as Ovechkin.