Leon Draisaitl 3rd 110+ point season in 4 years...

[McFlash97]

No but who is he going to set up other than Keller? That’s if they even play on the same line. Not much talent found in the dessert.

Draisaitl will instantly make Arizona an offensive threat just based on his hockey IQ alone. He would instantly make players around him better by utilizing them. That's what he does. Pin point passing and the vision of a Hawk. One of the best one timers in the game from the corner.

 

[BalButtercluck]

Your team needs to get to work, because we're 30 years over due for our SC tiebreaker.

That would be a dream series! I would absolutely love it! Unfortunately, I don't think my guys are there yet. Let us get in first and see what happens.

And Drai would be a 100+ point player at this point even without Mcdavid. He is so overlooked. He is the 2nd best player in the world and its not even close. I watch every Oilers game I can and every condensed highlight game and from what I see he is lights out.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Leung is a good player but I’d be curious to see how many goals and points he puts up each year on a team like Arizona. I bet 35 goals 75 pts.

You should try spelling his name correctly once in awhile.

 

[Regal]

Then why has he only finished top 5 in ESPs 5 times after 18 seasons in this league? Draisaitl is sitting at 4 in 8 lol.

Well first off that’s not true. Crosby has done it 6 times actually. He was tied for 5th in ‘13 while missing 1/4 of the season. Meanwhile, Draisaitl has only done it three times, in ‘19, ‘20 and ‘21. And Crosby doesn’t have more because of injuries lol. How is that not obvious? He finished just outside multiple times while missing games and even this season is out scoring Draisaitl. He has 14 seasons where he’s played at least 75% of the games and his ES finishes in those are 7, 10, 4, 3, T-5, 1, 7, 2, 4, T-26, 9, T-13, 35, 7. He was top 10 every healthy year from age 18-29 and has 2 more years in the top 10 since turning 30. Draisaitl is currently tied for 12th, with a 35 year old Crosby ahead of him.

Meanwhile, Crosby’s per game ES numbers through his prime blow away the rest of the league. Here’s the ES point leaders for the period between 09-10 and 13-14:

1.H.Sedin 259
2.St.Louis 258
3.Crosby 249
4.Stamkos 245
5.Ovechkin 244
6.Kane 243
7.Perry 237
8.Kessel 229
9.D.Sedin 225
10.Getzlaf 224

And the ES PPG for those players looks like this:

1.Crosby 0.96
2.Stamkos 0.74
3.H.Sedin 0.71
4.St.Louis 0.70
5.Ovechkin 0.69
6.Kane 0.69
7.D.Sedin 0.67
8.Getzlaf 0.66
9.Perry 0.64
10.Kessel 0.63

Drai’s last 5 years he’s 2nd in the league in ES points behind McDavid, and the leaders look like this:

1.McDavid 352
2.Draisaitl 318
3.Panarin 294
4.Matthews 291
4.MacKinnon 291
6.Marner 287
7.Kane 280
8.Gaudreau 279
9.Tkachuk 265
10.Pastrnak 258
11.Crosby 255


But the per game numbers for those players look like this:

1.McDavid 0.99
2.MacKinnon 0.89
3.Matthews 0.88
4.Draisaitl 0.87
5.Panarin 0.86
6.Marner 0.84
7.Crosby 0.80
8.Kane 0.79
9.Pastrnak 0.78
10.Gaudreau 0.77
11.Tkachuk 0.73

So Crosby’s per game numbers were way above the pack whereas Draisaitl has been within the pack of players under McDavid, and despite ES scoring being lower at the time, Crosby’s per game numbers were also better than Draisaitl’s. in fact, a 31-35 year old Crosby has been as close to prime Draisaitl the past 5 years than Draisaitl has been compared to prime Crosby.

Crosby was easily the better ES scorer than Draisaitl through his prime, and when combined with the fact that he was a better possession player and had a greater impact on GF%, was a decent amount better at ES. Draisaitl has been a better PP player, but there’s zero argument for him being better at ES.

 

[Fourier]

Drai was more of a pure playmaker in junior so that assessment makes sense to me. It also makes his evolution into one of the best shooters in the world so much more impressive.

I agree 100%. The transition to a "sniper" when playing with McDavid was deliberate and was obviously something he put an immense amount of effort into.

 

[Sempiternal]

A lot of jealousy in this thread.

 

[La Bamba]

I hope Leo watching Connor likely hit 150+ lights a fire in him

Drai's capable of a 65 goal, 150 point season

 

[Skolman]

Leung is a good player but I’d be curious to see how many goals and points he puts up each year on a team like Arizona. I bet 35 goals 75 pts.

Uh, what..

 

[commie]

Leung is a good player but I’d be curious to see how many goals and points he puts up each year on a team like Arizona. I bet 35 goals 75 pts.

kucherov is a good guy player, but I am curious to see how many goals and points he puts up each year on a team like Arizona. I bet 20 goals and 60 pts? without a Hedman or Point.

Ridiculous post. give the guy his due

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Meanwhile, Crosby’s per game ES numbers through his prime blow away the rest of the league. Here’s the ES point leaders for the period between 09-10 and 13-14:

1.H.Sedin 259
2.St.Louis 258
3.Crosby 249
4.Stamkos 245
5.Ovechkin 244
6.Kane 243
7.Perry 237
8.Kessel 229
9.D.Sedin 225
10.Getzlaf 224

And the ES PPG for those players looks like this:

1.Crosby 0.96
2.Stamkos 0.74
3.H.Sedin 0.71
4.St.Louis 0.70
5.Ovechkin 0.69
6.Kane 0.69
7.D.Sedin 0.67
8.Getzlaf 0.66
9.Perry 0.64
10.Kessel 0.63

I was going to post something similar. The claim that Crosby is a "PP merchant" is absurd. During his prime (2006 to 2019), Crosby led the league in ES scoring. Only Ovechkin was within 100 points of him. He was easily the best ES producer per game, with nobody else anywhere close.

 

[nowhereman]

Well, I take back everything I ever said about Draisaitl being underrated, at least amongst Oilers fans.

Apparently, he's a top 10 player of all time, a combination of "PP merchant" Crosby's all-time great playmaking AND Ovechkin's GOAT goalscoring, and is earmarked for 65 goals and 150 points next year. I also learned that league scoring and context (i.e. defensive match-ups) mean nothing, as hockey is played in one giant vacuum.

 

[missinthejets]

Forget the points, look at the player as an individual... what skill is he missing that would prevent him from being a star all on his own? Elite level passer, developed into an elite level shooter.... elite IQ on the ice, great puck protection, very good skater.... he literally is missing nothing to be a top offensive player regardless of whether or not mcdavid is on the team. Last few games for example his line with Kane and Yamamoto has been way more dangerous than mcdavids line.

Draisaitl is f***ing good all on his own. Now I think playing with mcdavid did push him to be the best he can be... but maybe without mcdavid he finds that motivation fro. A different place.

 

[McFlash97]

Still remember McLellan calling Leon in and telling him that he doesn't need to defer to McDavid. He has the ability to be as good as McDavid. Leon was 20 or 21 I believe.


The rest is history.

He will end up as one of if not the greatest European forward of all time.
Thank you Koala bear.

 

[Video Nasty]

Well, I take back everything I ever said about Draisaitl being underrated, at least amongst Oilers fans.

Apparently, he's a top 10 player of all time, a combination of "PP merchant" Crosby's all-time great playmaking AND Ovechkin's GOAT goalscoring, and is earmarked for 65 goals and 150 points next year. I also learned that league scoring and context (i.e. defensive match-ups) mean nothing, as hockey is played in one giant vacuum.

This is what it looks like when someone has no response to Drai about to wrap up a 5th consecutive season of being top 4 in both goals and points. No direct reply, hyperbole, overreacting to singular posts, and sarcasm dripping with paranoia.

Per usual, your posts are an honor to your username.

 

[nowhereman]

This is what it looks like when someone has no response to Drai about to wrap up a 5th consecutive season of being top 4 in both goals and points. No direct reply, hyperbole, overreacting to singular posts, and sarcasm dripping with paranoia.

Per usual, your posts are an honor to your username.

And, per usual, no matter how much bullshit, nonsensical hyperbole is spewed by Oilers fans in threads like these, the only thing you ever respond to is any comment that even slightly disparages the heroes whose posters are taped to your bedroom ceiling. If Draisaitl being better than Crosby and Ovechkin is the hill you want to die on, go right ahead. At this point, it's not like I expected anything more from you.

 

[22Brad Park]

Oilers better get cheque book ready.Those 2 are getting big big money

 

[McNuge]

Leung is a good player but I’d be curious to see how many goals and points he puts up each year on a team like Arizona. I bet 35 goals 75 pts.

The jealously just seethes through your veins doesn't it?

 

[Kamus]

Leung is a good player but I’d be curious to see how many goals and points he puts up each year on a team like Arizona. I bet 35 goals 75 pts.

Leon is a good player but I’d be curious to see how many goals and points he puts up each year on a team like Arizona. I bet 90 goals 175 pts.

I created a machine that takes players to other realities. I can confirm that my prediction is true.

Sorry you should delete your account now and go into hiding back at your mom’s basement.

 

[McPoyle]

and is earmarked for 65 goals and 150 points next year

Can you directly quote me to the comment that said he will get 65 goals and 150 points next year? I did see one saying he would be a 75 point player on another team.

Or is this a straw man?

 

[Video Nasty]

And, per usual, no matter how much bullshit, nonsensical hyperbole is spewed by Oilers fans in threads like these, the only thing you ever respond to is any comment that even slightly disparages the heroes whose posters are taped to your bedroom ceiling. If Draisaitl being better than Crosby and Ovechkin is the hill you want to die on, go right ahead. At this point, it's not like I expected anything more from you.

Hollywood!

 

[3074326]

This is what it looks like when someone has no response to Drai about to wrap up a 5th consecutive season of being top 4 in both goals and points. No direct reply, hyperbole, overreacting to singular posts, and sarcasm dripping with paranoia.

Per usual, your posts are an honor to your username.

Did you not see the big post with some solid data a few posts above, or are you just blatantly ignoring it so you can act like a victim?

Because it feels like you want to be a victim.

You're lecturing others about not responding to your points while you're not responding to points. Typical HFBoards

 

[MessierII]

Well first off that’s not true. Crosby has done it 6 times actually. He was tied for 5th in ‘13 while missing 1/4 of the season. Meanwhile, Draisaitl has only done it three times, in ‘19, ‘20 and ‘21. And Crosby doesn’t have more because of injuries lol. How is that not obvious? He finished just outside multiple times while missing games and even this season is out scoring Draisaitl. He has 14 seasons where he’s played at least 75% of the games and his ES finishes in those are 7, 10, 4, 3, T-5, 1, 7, 2, 4, T-26, 9, T-13, 35, 7. He was top 10 every healthy year from age 18-29 and has 2 more years in the top 10 since turning 30. Draisaitl is currently tied for 12th, with a 35 year old Crosby ahead of him.

Meanwhile, Crosby’s per game ES numbers through his prime blow away the rest of the league. Here’s the ES point leaders for the period between 09-10 and 13-14:

1.H.Sedin 259
2.St.Louis 258
3.Crosby 249
4.Stamkos 245
5.Ovechkin 244
6.Kane 243
7.Perry 237
8.Kessel 229
9.D.Sedin 225
10.Getzlaf 224

And the ES PPG for those players looks like this:

1.Crosby 0.96
2.Stamkos 0.74
3.H.Sedin 0.71
4.St.Louis 0.70
5.Ovechkin 0.69
6.Kane 0.69
7.D.Sedin 0.67
8.Getzlaf 0.66
9.Perry 0.64
10.Kessel 0.63

Drai’s last 5 years he’s 2nd in the league in ES points behind McDavid, and the leaders look like this:

1.McDavid 352
2.Draisaitl 318
3.Panarin 294
4.Matthews 291
4.MacKinnon 291
6.Marner 287
7.Kane 280
8.Gaudreau 279
9.Tkachuk 265
10.Pastrnak 258
11.Crosby 255


But the per game numbers for those players look like this:

1.McDavid 0.99
2.MacKinnon 0.89
3.Matthews 0.88
4.Draisaitl 0.87
5.Panarin 0.86
6.Marner 0.84
7.Crosby 0.80
8.Kane 0.79
9.Pastrnak 0.78
10.Gaudreau 0.77
11.Tkachuk 0.73

So Crosby’s per game numbers were way above the pack whereas Draisaitl has been within the pack of players under McDavid, and despite ES scoring being lower at the time, Crosby’s per game numbers were also better than Draisaitl’s. in fact, a 31-35 year old Crosby has been as close to prime Draisaitl the past 5 years than Draisaitl has been compared to prime Crosby.

Crosby was easily the better ES scorer than Draisaitl through his prime, and when combined with the fact that he was a better possession player and had a greater impact on GF%, was a decent amount better at ES. Draisaitl has been a better PP player, but there’s zero argument for him being better at ES.

There’s a whole lot of injuries in that time period skewing the crap out of the numbers for Crosby.

 

[Video Nasty]

Did you not see the big post with some solid data a few posts above, or are you just blatantly ignoring it so you can act like a victim?

Because it feels like you want to be a victim.

You're lecturing others about not responding to your points while you're not responding to points. Typical HFBoards

Was the post by Hollywood?

 

[Juxta Position]

Leon will never truly get the respect he deserves, he's a victim of the Malkin effect. by all rights, stats and metrics, he's the second best offensive player in the world but will never get the full appreciation he deserves because of who his teammate is.

I've been a fan of his since he played junior where I live in Prince Albert, and love the fact he's turned into the superstar he has (looking forward to his jersey retirement night in PA) and hope when his career is over people will full appreciate what kind of talent he was when he was in his prime, literally right now.

There's so much peripheral garbage that people argue about when it comes to Leon, when the fact of the matter is the numbers speak for themselves, he's an offensive juggernaut that's overshadowed by all-time great player who is on his team, simple as that.

Fans who don't watch the Oilers will always chalk his production up to "being a product of McDavid' when he's proven he can do it with and without Connor, but since they don't watch they don't know. And I can't say I really blame them, the stuff McDavid is doing is literally putting him in the tier of the all-timers, and it's human nature to assume that Leon might be a product of that.

It's too bad for him, but I do hope people truly appreciate how good he is before he retires.

 

[Regal]

There’s a whole lot of injuries in that time period skewing the crap out of the numbers for Crosby.

That might be true, but it was also his prime ages and it’s not like he’s way down the list of totals though. He’s 3rd in totals points, not far back of 1st despite missing those games. The odds of him not still being 1st in totals and ES PPG if he played the rest of the games is slim given the huge per game margins we’re dealing with.

I mean Crosby from age 20-29 played 622 games with a 0.86 ES PPG, leading the league in both ES points. Draisaitl is at 0.87 for the past 5 years in 364 games. Difference is, besides Crosby’s sample being twice as long, in Crosby’s years the league averaged 1.99 ES GPG, in Draisaitl’s the league has averaged 2.34.

And I’m not trying to crap in Draisaitl here, but Crosby’s at worst the best ES scorer between Jagr’s prime and McDavid’s. The poster calling him out for the PP was absurd