Leon Draisaitl 3rd 110+ point season in 4 years...

[Despote]

Uh, yeah... no.

Scoring is through the roof, at levels we haven't seen since the early 90s, and he is highly dependent on McDavid for the majority of his offense. This is a league where everyone is putting up career highs, including guys 10 years past their prime. Guys like Pavelski and Bergeron, who are coming up on 40 years old, are scoring at a rate similar or better than their respective primes. Hell, a 29 year old RNH is going to score 100 points. Physicality is at an all-time low, goalie equipment is smaller and 3-on-3 overtime is a thing. Put peak OV in the league and he's probably flirting with 75 goals, while Crosby would likely be giving McDavid a run for his money.

Even though I think he is one of the most underrated players in the NHL, any idea that Draisaitl is on the level of peak Crosby or Ovechkin purely a mirage.

Draisaitl's adjusted totals are more impressive than Crosby's or Ovechkin's were.

It's time to realize that he's a better/more complete offensive player than either Ovechkin or Crosby ever were. He basically combines Ovechkin's goalscoring and Crosby's playmaking to make the ultimate dual threat. Neither of them ever dominated NHL for an sustained period of time like Draisaitl has from 18-23.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

impressive but I gotta see it without McDavid there. I think he would still be a top 10 player I just dunno if he's a legit top 2-5 player without McDavid.
I guess he will just always be stuck in McDavid's shadow

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

impressive but I gotta see it without McDavid there. I think he would still be a top 10 player I just dunno if he's a legit top 2-5 player without McDavid.
I guess he will just always be stuck in McDavid's shadow

You can easily say that for any star player and remove their star power.

 

[alphahelix]

impressive but I gotta see it without McDavid there. I think he would still be a top 10 player I just dunno if he's a legit top 2-5 player without McDavid.
I guess he will just always be stuck in McDavid's shadow

He did win the Art Ross and the Hart already y’know

 

[TheDoldrums]

He basically combines Ovechkin's goalscoring and Crosby's playmaking to make the ultimate dual threat. Neither of them ever dominated NHL for an sustained period of time like Draisaitl has from 18-23.

Amazing that he's won zero Rockets while having Ovechkins goalscoring (the greatest goal scorer ever btw)

He's literally had one year where he's won anything, 19-20. Not even a 2nd team All-Star selection outside of that year. I think you're really underrating what Crosby and Ovechkin were.

 

[Video Nasty]

Uh, yeah... no.

Scoring is through the roof, at levels we haven't seen since the early 90s, and he is highly dependent on McDavid for the majority of his offense. This is a league where everyone is putting up career highs, including guys 10 years past their prime. Guys like Pavelski and Bergeron, who are coming up on 40 years old, are scoring at a rate similar or better than their respective primes. Hell, a 29 year old RNH is going to score 100 points. Physicality is at an all-time low, goalie equipment is smaller and 3-on-3 overtime is a thing. Put peak OV in the league and he's probably flirting with 75 goals, while Crosby would likely be giving McDavid a run for his money.

Even though I think he is one of the most underrated players in the NHL, any idea that Draisaitl is on the level of peak Crosby or Ovechkin purely a mirage.

Yet Drai remains on track to be the only player since Gretzky to finish at least top 4 in both goals and points for the 5th consecutive season which has nothing to do with comparing raw totals.

I’m not necessarily saying that he’s better than Crosby, Ovechkin, and Malkin, but we’re entering an interesting point of time where one’s head has to turn at such consistent high results and if one also values playing the games on the schedule, I can see why a bold statement like that would be made.

A 5 year run where he’s had goal finishes of 2, 4, 4, 2, 3 (pending) and point finishes of 4, 1, 2, 4, 2 is nuts.

Ovechkin has his three year run that’s similar or better and that’s it. Crosby doesn’t really and what he has is truncated, as is Malkin’s.

There’s also nothing likely about Crosby giving McDavid a run for his money. He never had two halves of the same season where he scored 1.5+ PPG or proved that he could sustain an entire season of high scoring without tapering off at the end.

Crosby at 26 had 104 points in 80 games. No amount of stat adjusting is going to give him the extra 50 points needed to give McDavid at 26 a run for his money in the Art Ross race.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

You can easily say that for any star player and remove their star power.

yeah I know, like I know Drai is amazing and likely a top 5 talent just not sure where he would slot in between 2-5 or if he would come in slightly after that

He did win the Art Ross and the Hart already y’know

yeah but McDavid was still part of that team. no doubt Drai is awesome, I just dunno his true placement if u were to take McDavid away. right now with McDavid its hard to argue he's not a top 3 player. prob 2

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

yeah I know, like I know Drai is amazing and likely a top 5 talent just not sure where he would slot in between 2-5 or if he would come in slightly after that


yeah but McDavid was still part of that team. no doubt Drai is awesome, I just dunno his true placement if u were to take McDavid away. right now with McDavid its hard to argue he's not a top 3 player. prob 2

I think he would. Obviously biased as an Oilers fan, but his resume speaks for himself. Gotta be good enough to produce like that, full stop.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I think he would. Obviously biased as an Oilers fan, but his resume speaks for himself. Gotta be good enough to produce like that, full stop.

oh for sure but would he place above MacKinnon? I think there's a strong change he could. either way not a bad comparison for Drai. there was a reason they called him the German Gretzky

 

[Sweetpotato]

Genuine question for those that don't see him at their level yet. How many point finishes, goal finishes, big playoff runs, etc does Draisaitl have to keep rattling off until he's seen on the level of the previous generation of Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin?

What if he finishes top 10 all time in goals and assists and passes all 3 in career points? Because if we're assuming he signs a 7 years contract after this one that's 9 more seasons minimum assuming health. You think he's not scoring 800-900 points over that time? That puts him in the 1600-1800 career points and possibly 700 goals by the end at age 36.

 

[McFlash97]

The German Gretzky. It will be a while before we see a dual threat European player in the same league as LD29.

Just a freak hockey IQ

 

[Alexei Yashvalev]

He's alright but he's no McDavid.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Amazing that he's won zero Rockets while having Ovechkins goalscoring (the greatest goal scorer ever btw)

He's literally had one year where he's won anything, 19-20. Not even a 2nd team All-Star selection outside of that year. I think you're really underrating what Crosby and Ovechkin were.

I think you're comically overrating what Crosby was offensively. Ovechkin sure, absolute beast, the Rocket Richard totals speak for themselves. Crosby has a whopping 2 Art Ross trophies against significantly weaker competition and as much as Crosby fans wanna cope about him losing his best 2 years to injury, the best ability is availability and a healthy Crosby found a way to lose a scoring title to Jamie freaking Benn lmfao. Crosby was also extremely dependent on power play production (ie. 61 PP points to 59 ES points in his highest scoring season) and despite ppl's asinine claims that Draisaitl is a power play specialist, the results show that Crosby is the actual PP merchant. Crosby only finished top 5 in the NHL for ESP 5 times in his career. Draisaitl is already at 4 despite starting his career a decade later lmfao. McDavid has been outright #1 for ESP 5 times in his career already, that's what a real offensive monster looks like.

 

[TheGuiminator]

Genuine question for those that don't see him at their level yet. How many point finishes, goal finishes, big playoff runs, etc does Draisaitl have to keep rattling off until he's seen on the level of the previous generation of Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin?

What if he finishes top 10 all time in goals and assists and passes all 3 in career points? Because if we're assuming he signs a 7 years contract after this one that's 9 more seasons minimum assuming health. You think he's not scoring 800-900 points over that time? That puts him in the 1600-1800 career points and possibly 700 goals by the end at age 36.

For real, Draisaitl could finish around 130-135 points, add 3 more 50g/50a seasons, another 30 points playoff run to his resume and still won’t be enough, only because « sCorInG eNvIrOnnEmeNt is hiGher ».

Such an overrated argument

 

[McFlash97]

Amazing that he's won zero Rockets while having Ovechkins goalscoring (the greatest goal scorer ever btw)

He's literally had one year where he's won anything, 19-20. Not even a 2nd team All-Star selection outside of that year. I think you're really underrating what Crosby and Ovechkin were.

He plays in a league that has prime McDavid and Kucherov, and the greatest goal scorer of our generation. What did you expect He was going to do. Win multiple Art Ross and Hart trophies along with Rockets ? Crosby couldn't even win multiple Art Ross trophies against weakling like Benn and the Sedins man. I like the Sedins ... but they aren't what Leon competes with. Take McDavid out and Leon wins multiple trophies with ease.

 

[Regal]

I think you're comically overrating what Crosby was offensively. Ovechkin sure, absolute beast, the Rocket Richard totals speak for themselves. Crosby has a whopping 2 Art Ross trophies against significantly weaker competition and as much as Crosby fans wanna cope about him losing his best 2 years to injury, the best ability is availability and a healthy Crosby found a way to lose a scoring title to Jamie freaking Benn lmfao. Crosby was also extremely dependent on power play production (ie. 61 PP points to 59 ES points in his highest scoring season) and despite ppl's asinine claims that Draisaitl is a power play specialist, the results show that Crosby is the actual PP merchant. Crosby only finished top 5 in the NHL for ESP 5 times in his career. Draisaitl is already at 4 despite starting his career a decade later lmfao. McDavid has been outright #1 for ESP 5 times in his career already, that's what a real offensive monster looks like.

One of the worst posts I’ve seen on here, but the bolded truly takes the cake. Crosby’s ES scoring was way more dominant than Draisaitl relative to the league

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

One of the worst posts I’ve seen on here, but the bolded truly takes the cake. Crosby’s ES scoring was way more dominant than Draisaitl relative to the league

Then why has he only finished top 5 in ESPs 5 times after 18 seasons in this league? Draisaitl is sitting at 4 in 8 lol.

 

[McPoyle]

Uh, yeah... no.

Scoring is through the roof, at levels we haven't seen since the early 90s, and he is highly dependent on McDavid for the majority of his offense. This is a league where everyone is putting up career highs, including guys 10 years past their prime. Guys like Pavelski and Bergeron, who are coming up on 40 years old, are scoring at a rate similar or better than their respective primes. Hell, a 29 year old RNH is going to score 100 points. Physicality is at an all-time low, goalie equipment is smaller and 3-on-3 overtime is a thing. Put peak OV in the league and he's probably flirting with 75 goals, while Crosby would likely be giving McDavid a run for his money.

Even though I think he is one of the most underrated players in the NHL, any idea that Draisaitl is on the level of peak Crosby or Ovechkin purely a mirage.

Draisaitl has been producing at a 52 goal, 120 point pace for 5 seasons now. This is one of the most impressive stretches of production in NHL history. I think you seriously overrate how important 3v3 is to a players production. I think 1 of Drai's 120 points this year came in OT.

The NHL is also in a period of all time lows for PPO. Goalies average save % is similar to what is was early cap era.

Physicality? Sure, but Drai is a horse and would do fine in a tougher league.

We also have several challenge rules that wipe goals off the board.

Simple fact is Draisaitl is producing at a level at least equal to Sid and Ovi in their primes. Here is the top 5 adjusted seasons from Ovi, Sid, Geno, and Drai.

Ovechkin: 122, 117, 114, 107, 104.

Crosby: 122, 117, 116, 106, 106.

Malkin: 122, 117, 115, 100, 89.

Draisaitl: 128, 127, 123, 106, 105.

Its time to recognize historic production.

 

[McVespa99]

Highly disagree because of the amount of points he gets on the powerplay. You think he's getting 54 PP points (50% of his total points this season) on the PP in Arizona?

Arizona has 41 TOTAL powerplay goals this season. Draisaitl has 54 PP points this season. Draisaitl has more PP points than Arizona has goals on the PP.

In fact, Draisaitl has more PP points than all but 6 NHL teams have goals.

So you are admitting he is good?

 

[TheGuiminator]

Uh, yeah... no.

Scoring is through the roof, at levels we haven't seen since the early 90s, and he is highly dependent on McDavid for the majority of his offense. This is a league where everyone is putting up career highs, including guys 10 years past their prime. Guys like Pavelski and Bergeron, who are coming up on 40 years old, are scoring at a rate similar or better than their respective primes. Hell, a 29 year old RNH is going to score 100 points. Physicality is at an all-time low, goalie equipment is smaller and 3-on-3 overtime is a thing. Put peak OV in the league and he's probably flirting with 75 goals, while Crosby would likely be giving McDavid a run for his money.

Even though I think he is one of the most underrated players in the NHL, any idea that Draisaitl is on the level of peak Crosby or Ovechkin purely a mirage.

Scoring environment or adjusted stats is a lazy and overrated argument. Does high scoring seasons have an impact on players point production? Of course, but it’s not the end all be all and is certainly not an exact science.

For example, in 2001-02, Jarome Iginla won the Art Ross & Rocket with 96 point and 52 goals in a league scoring environment of 2.61 (one of the lowest scoring season in modern history). A mere 4 years later (2005-06), Iginla put up a whopping 67 pts (54th in the league) in a league scoring environment of 3.08.
Then, 2 years later (2007-08) Iginla has one of his best season, again in a low scoring season (2.78), finishing with 98 pts and 50 goals (3rd in the league).

That being said, you can’t automatically assume that Crosby or Ovechkin in their peak/prime would drop 140 points or 80 goals in today’s league. Every season is a different animal and some players are better suited for low scoring environments (and vice versa)

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Leung is a good player but I’d be curious to see how many goals and points he puts up each year on a team like Arizona. I bet 35 goals 75 pts.

 

[McPoyle]

Leung is a good player but I’d be curious to see how many goals and points he puts up each year on a team like Arizona. I bet 35 goals 75 pts.

So you think Keller is better than Draisaitl?

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

So you think Keller is better than Draisaitl?

No but who is he going to set up other than Keller? That’s if they even play on the same line. Not much talent found in the dessert.

 

[dwonger]

Higher scoring era.

MacKinnon and Kucherov are both better though it is close, and that’s just for the forwards.

Stats say otherwise. If it's because it's a higher scoring era why don't the two you mentioned have more points yet again?

 

[blundluntman]

One hell of a player for sure, you have to appreciate his consistency with his goalscoring and playmaking. I do think he's around a top 3 player but I put Mackinnon and Kucherov on the same level. He plays well without McDavid but he still helps lift his numbers up a bit. On a ppg basis, I think he, Mackinnon, and Kucherov are on the same tier. This season he's #3 for me but you can definitely argue #2