Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign Simmonds to a 2 year extension (900k AAV)

[Torontonian]

I am having trouble understanding why some people are objecting to this signing. .

Because its a Kyle Dubas signing, look at all the other threads and its the same people shitting on him over and over. 900k for two years is legit nothing for the team but a 4th liner or 13th forward, exactly what he should be. The playoffs are still being played, expansion draft hasn't happened and people are getting mad we bought back two players so far, Spezza who we all wanted back and Simmonds to play on the 4th line at 900k.

As it stands so far, we are not bringing back Jumbo Joe/Foligno/Hyman(yet people are crying we have no money to sign him but yet it seems like they want him signed and want to run it back with him?) and are more then likely losing Kerfoot to trade, or the expansion draft.

If they replace those four forwards, I wouldn't say thats "running it back" with the same team.

 

[Stephen]

Simmonds talks about how the young guys need the sting of losing to propel them forward and work harder. Wasn’t the Columbus series supposed to do that?

 

[ACC1224]

Simmonds talks about how the young guys need the sting of losing to propel them forward and work harder. Wasn’t the Columbus series supposed to do that?

He wasn't 'stung' by that.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Not sure what management saw that thought he deserved a 2 year contract. AAV is low enough it should be fine though

 

[ACC1224]

I am having trouble understanding why some people are objecting to this signing. This contract can be buried with the Marlies for no cost to our cap space if he is does not work out. How many proven veterans that still bring an element of toughness (an element sorely lacking) are available for that price? If people are worried that the coach will misuse him, then fire the coach. If it so happens he turns out to be "useless" send him down to the Marlies to help Clune.

It's not the signing per se, just the appearance that they are trotting the same roster back out.
IMO, I would have moved on if for nothing else just to bring some new blood in.
Correct though, the money and term are irrelevant.

 

[rumman]

When you've pretty much guaranteed a spot on the 4th line to Spezza, why add a 33 year old that pretty much has nothing left? Seems to me Dubas is signing players based on cap hit rather than on fit. Why not wait until you see what your reshaped 3rd line looks like before making a decision on Simmonds? #DubasNoClue

 

[ottomaddox]

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[rumman]

Hopefully Seattle claims him or Mikheyev, both are worthless.

Ron Francis isn’t claiming Simmons get that wet dream out of your head right now.

 

[BigBlu]

Too much. Too long.

We lose on AAV. We lose on term.

 

[rumman]

I think this is a good deal for Toronto. Prior to fracturing his hand and being out for 5 weeks. Simmonds had scored 5 goals in 6 games or something like that. He was showing passion and grit.

He is a player that can be moved up and down the lineup and play some PP in front of the net. I dont think its a bad deal at all.

If Dubas stops here at bringing back the vets from last season he has done well. There were really only 2 of the 4 that made any sense to bring back and he did that with Spezza and Simmonds. Bogo and Thornton shouldnt be brought back.

Simmon moving up the line up is the whole problem, he shouldn’t get 4th line minutes let alone be moved up which puppet Keefe will do if the puppet master says so.

 

[egd27]

Simmonds talks about how the young guys need the sting of losing to propel them forward and work harder. Wasn’t the Columbus series supposed to do that?

Thought it was Boston in 2019? Or was it 2018?
Can't keep the lessons straight anymore.

 

[rumman]

Ya I'm sure 900k is going to get you a massive impact player

My dad use to say “look after the nickles and dimes and the dollars will look after themselves.” Of course he never met Kyle Dubas…….

 

[egd27]

 

[Superstar]

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Dubas heading to Goodwill next...

 

[myleafs]

A very cheap deal Thank you world! The TALK is the biggest thang we get in this. The energy that way, the talk and the leadership. He will defend our bullies and dolls, all of them. Starting with campbell, sandin, marner and nylander. Simmonds will hit people with fists if a sucka is doing dirt. Those are the biggest reasons him being with us for 2 more years cheap. The talk is the biggest. We truly need that.

The way I see this playing out is simmonds has his first fight 3 or 4 games in....and is out for 2 months...comes back and is a ghost for the next 6 weeks, has another fight and is out for the season.

 

[Superstar]

Thought it was Boston in 2019? Or was it 2018?
Can't keep the lessons straight anymore.

They young core has already learned their lesson...that you don't need to show up in the playoffs to make big money...and that early playoff exits mean longer summer vacations...I mean, how else are you going to spend all that money, right?

 

[rumman]

What's Kyle's end game here?

Same s**t, different year.

 

[rumman]

Because its a Kyle Dubas signing, look at all the other threads and its the same people shitting on him over and over. 900k for two years is legit nothing for the team but a 4th liner or 13th forward, exactly what he should be. The playoffs are still being played, expansion draft hasn't happened and people are getting mad we bought back two players so far, Spezza who we all wanted back and Simmonds to play on the 4th line at 900k.

As it stands so far, we are not bringing back Jumbo Joe/Foligno/Hyman(yet people are crying we have no money to sign him but yet it seems like they want him signed and want to run it back with him?) and are more then likely losing Kerfoot to trade, or the expansion draft.

If they replace those four forwards, I wouldn't say thats "running it back" with the same team.

Idiotic move, EVERY prospect in the Leafs organization just went WTF, talk about killing upward mobility. I thought the shanaplan was suppose to BUILD a team that can compete year in year out, looking more like 4 overpaid/under performing players surrounded by dinosaurs and rejects that can’t get it done. You couldn’t make this s**t up if you tried.

 

[ToneDog]

Seems reasonable that Mik gets slightly more given their abilities.

I don't mind Kuraly, but you don't want to be playing him above the 4th line with any regularity. Mik is fine on a 3rd line,

Give me kuraly over soup any day. Zero points in 12 playoff game for soup sums him up pretty well.

 

[myleafs]

I think this is a good deal for Toronto. Prior to fracturing his hand and being out for 5 weeks. Simmonds had scored 5 goals in 6 games or something like that. He was showing passion and grit.

He is a player that can be moved up and down the lineup and play some PP in front of the net. I dont think its a bad deal at all.

If Dubas stops here at bringing back the vets from last season he has done well. There were really only 2 of the 4 that made any sense to bring back and he did that with Spezza and Simmonds. Bogo and Thornton shouldnt be brought back.

But even with the injury how do you lose both passion and grit which has nothing to do with his wrist? And for me Bogo exceeded expectations, he was steady and I would have no problem if he comes back....Joe is a hard no.

 

[tronoleaf]

No way. Keefe isn't a fool, he loves when his players are physical. He stated publicly that he wanted his team to play more physical against the Habs.

If I could pull back the curtain, I would guess that Foligno and Simmonds were not 100%, coupled with a more physical Habs team made it difficult to play that game. Simmonds isn't a big, beefy guy. He has to rely on courage and the will to win which he has always had. He can't do it alone. Leafs need more size and compete.

He definitely had more to give in the playoffs and the question is "why didn't he"? I have to think it was related to his injury. Which is somewhat concerning going forward. He needs to come back strong and healthy to be effective. He was an excellent player before his injury. The Leafs would take that player any day. He played with energy and fearlessness which translated into a hell of a run at one point when he was a staple in front of the net. That was the player the Leafs lost when JVR moved on. Simmonds can play that role.

Dubas is going to have to find big, strong players to play a more physical brand. We saw who was in the Final Four, the game hasn't changed the way it was supposed to, the league still "put the whistle away". Simmonds can be our Josh Anderson. Not the biggest guy, but mentally tough enough and big enough to throw his weight and play a hard north/south game.

Simmonds can be our Josh Anderson? I think you worked yourself up into a frenzy.

 

[myleafs]

Agreed the counts are a bit wonky. But there's no denying Cizikas and Clutterbuck play a harder game than anyone we have

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[bossram]

The 2nd year seems unnecessary. Not sure why you'd do it when you can usually find pretty cheap "energy" players in the offseason, plus whatever league minimum Marlies that come through.

I don't mind Simmonds in a vacuum, but another bottom-six line with Simmonds + Spezza really limits the bottom-six flexibility. Simmonds + Spezza is kinda too slow. But you also don't really want to run Simmonds with Mik & Engvall because he's not really suited to a checking assignment either.

Unless they're planning to throw Simmonds with Marner/Matthews in case Hyman walks...

 

[tronoleaf]

Montreal and Tampa are both teams packed full on sandpaper. Simmonds did look like a fit pre-injury and he has taken a pay reduction. He fits in as team heavyweight with the potential to recover and provide a Spezza like impact. Ideally, he fights 2-3 times more a season given his offensive output is declining to earn his keep as a regular. If the Leafs have roster room under the cap he could start as the 13th forward.

He is not a heavyweight get real

 

[htpwn]

I would have moved on from Simmonds, but as I said in yesterday's thread, it is not a bad signing at or near league minimum. The second year is a little weird, but if there's no NMC, we can always bury his contract in the minors if needed.