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Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign Simmonds to a 2 year extension (900k AAV)

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ACC1224 said:
Agreed. Guess I don’t see what the urgency was to get this done now l.
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Dubas is starting to learn that waiting to deal with contracts costs you millions.
By solidifying the no brainers, he will know what kind of bidding he can do for the Coleman types after the expansion draft.
 
I didn't love Simmonds in the 2nd half of last season, but 900k is fine and the 2nd year likely helped bring the money down.

I'm not going to get too worked up over a 4th line signing, and there is more work to do this offseason that will have a greater impact on the success of this team.

Overall, not a big deal
 
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CapspaceKiller said:
He was a difference maker for about 5 games last year and then he got hurt for the millionth time. He's largely damaged goods, but I'm hoping his lack of physicality in the playoffs was due to his injuries and not his mental makeup. At least he's not afraid to fight back
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I believe it was a flawed gameplan
 
ToneDog said:
Bruins get Kuraly for 1.5x3 and we get 65 1.65x2.
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Seems reasonable that Mik gets slightly more given their abilities.

I don't mind Kuraly, but you don't want to be playing him above the 4th line with any regularity. Mik is fine on a 3rd line,
 
Maple Leaf said:
Leafs should just fill the lineup with goons


Good with me
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The problem is they neuter these guys. Simmonds barely played physical in the playoffs. Which was so weird. Zach Bogosian barely got into scrums or anything like that.

It's one thing to sign players with grit, it's another thing to actually let them play their game.

Leafs mantra of "don't take stupid penalties" and "we'll get em on the powerplay" has taken the raw emotion out of the game for the players
 
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OVO16 said:
The problem is they neuter these guys. Simmonds barely played physical in the playoffs. Which was so weird. Zach Bogosian barely got into scrums or anything like that.

It's one thing to sign players with grit, it's another thing to actually let them play their game.

Leafs mantra of "don't take stupid penalties" and "we'll get em on the powerplay" has taken the raw emotion out of the game for the players
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"Our toughness is our PP" or some rubbish like that
 
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4thline said:
Looking at some of the pure 3C's available, if we come through the ED and still have Kerfoot it wouldn't surprise me to see him given a semi-permanent shot in the top 6 at LW.
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Let's hope da real Kerfoot was guy who carried us vs Habs .. we need to see that every night .. to me he sucked with JT but who knows with Matty may be different story .. but for sure if a guy moves up it is Kerfoot over 65 Mik .. Mik has completely non existent in playoffs past 2 seasons and way overpaid for playoff performance ..
 
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I'm fine with this signing, as long as they haven't assured him a roster spot. I think he could be in the press box a lot if they have enough cap room to carry a larger roster, and that's all good. He adds depth that could come in and out according to the situation and in accordance with his on-ice performance.

At worst, they can bury the contract, and his salary isn't prohibitively expensive to bring onto the roster.

I think the extra $150,000 from league-minimum to $900,000 is a face-saving measure for a 32 y.o. vet. He is not at all in the same category as Spezza -- younger and less career earnings -- but he is still taking a reasonable deal that works for both sides.

I hope this is it for the vets now. They absolutely have to move on from Jumbo, and they don't need any more vintage pieces in the garage.

P.S. I would be good with a Bogosian signing too, but I don't see that happening. He isn't likely to give a home-town discount -- and if he did it would likely be to his home town, not the Leafs. I think Bogo could probably get a contract the Leafs can't afford elsewhere -- maybe New York. He still looks like a very useful piece at the right price.
 
I also like the aspect of team-building. Spezza's third year with the Leafs. Simmonds' second year, with a third year to come.

I'm not much for constantly churning managers, coaches and players in and out. There will always be some changeover in personnel from year-to-year, but I think it takes time to develop an actual team. You don't just throw a bunch of parts with stats together like some kind of computer game and expect them to gel. These are people that over time need to learn their roles and how to play with each other. That's the way they all get better, together -- coaches and managers included.

In that vein, I know there's plenty of criticism of Engvall and Mikheyev as well, but I do think they have enough upside that they too could be valuable parts as the team develops. I don't see the point of moving them along for another model unless there is a substantial upside.
 
Dubas has an extra $600k to play with after getting a reasonable contract done. It's the way he is going to have to operate if he is going to go for serious players. Everyone knows it. Certainly Wayne and Spezza realize this.

Simmonds and Spezza are both character guys who have already made their money and probably could have received slightly more elsewhere but at this point in the career I assume they aren't going to nickel and dime to be unhappy elsewhere for a year or two. They want to win in Toronto, "team first" players. City-first players truth be told.

The value of this re-signing will depend on how Wayne takes care of his body in the offseason. If he plays it smart and comes in camp healthy and strong, this will be a bargain. Before Simmonds injury he was playing the way I envisioned. That player will have an impact, if not, it's a case of opportunity cost and Leafs lose.

Simmonds was in front of the net on the PP, he was physical, he drove the puck. He is also a vocal leader on the team. He has to be that player again and unlike his one year rental-type deal, this is now just as much HIS team now as anyone elses.

Dubas has a steep uphill climb. There have to be major changes. Will there be enough money moved out to bring in the Gamers needed? Of this, I am not too confident. Discounts down the line for these vets who will contribute will definitely help out though.
 
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Non factor in playoffs when we need him, that's a 2 year extension. Dubas is starting to lose me..just falls in love with players and can't let go even if it doesn't work.
 
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Brown Dog said:
Wish we had prime Simmonds. That's exactly the guy we need.
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The Simmonds in Philadelphia was a game changer, night in and night out.

Leafs need Simmonds to come in healthy and strong. He can still be even 80% of that player he was in Philly and Leafs would have a great asset for the type of playoff hockey needed to win.

He is still young enough to heal well and come in strong. Age is about how you take care of your body and prepare.

The pre-injured Simmonds this year was a great player. Anyone in the Leafs organization would take that player in a heartbeat.
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
Let's hope da real Kerfoot was guy who carried us vs Habs .. we need to see that every night .. to me he sucked with JT but who knows with Matty may be different story .. but for sure if a guy moves up it is Kerfoot over 65 Mik .. Mik has completely non existent in playoffs past 2 seasons and way overpaid for playoff performance ..
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If we keep Kerfoot I'd like to see us run duos three lines deep and then fill in the blanks with the best available fits.

Hyman/Matthews/xxx
xxx/Tavares/Marner
xxx/Kerfoot/Nylander

We've seen the super line strategy fail enough. Need to spread out the wealth.
 
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I guess. He was completely vacant in the playoffs. Hopefully it was because of the injury and not being back up to speed otherwise this makes zero sense. I'm also still questioning if it's a coaching/management policy to avoid contact to stay out of the box (which is the only explanation I can come up with over how soft Simmonds/Thornton/Foligno were against Montreal) which would, again, make this move seem nonsensical.
 
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ACC1224 said:
Why would a player want to sign before the expansion draft?
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Guaranteed money/preferred of contract vs the uncertainty of free agency.

He (like Spezza) likely also assume they won't be selected.

From the Leafs pov, it seems they like having a player of this type on the roster and so it locks in that asset for a set price before free agency. They now know more about how much they can spend on other players
 
ToneDog said:
Bruins get Kuraly for 1.5x3 and we get 65 1.65x2.
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Overall its 4.5 for Kuraly and 1.6 for Simmons and league minimum for a vet is 700000 You need someone on the team making league minimum if you are not trading one of the big four
 
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