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56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Marner and Ilya Samsonov for Connor Hellebuyck, Nikolaj Ehlers and Pierre-Luc Dubois, Winnipeg Jets.
Sign me up if Ehlers is healthy. If not Connor. Wishful thinking Marner commands those 3.
Leafs Offseason: Alot of big decisions, 17 key ones [Dubas(gone), Matthews, Marner, Nylander are biggies]
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Sign me up if Ehlers is healthy. If not Connor. Wishful thinking Marner commands those 3.
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The basketball team was also under his tutelage? 3/4 >2/3.
Unbelievable, yet loveable.
Lol Hunter brothers... Mark Hunter sucks at drafting. Stay far far away.
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Leafs are currently at 50 max contracts and maxed out.
Any Leaf potential trade that has more contracts coming in then going out in multi player trades would not be allowed at present until July 1st when UFAs come off the books but by then Marner's NMC would have kicked in.
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I would’ve withdrawn my offer, ten seconds after his press conference.
He’s the president of the Leafs via Zoom apparently.
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All this waiting just for us to find out Dubas and Keefe are coming back and they are running it back one more time.
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That Dubas press conference that he claimed the pressure/stress that comes with the job on him and his family is something he needs to reflect and think on should have sent gigantic shock waves through the boardroom. particularly if there was a offer/contract on the table.
MLSE would certainly care if the person they're considered to resign long term is mentally and physically able to handle and do the job.
That was the one I thought hmmm...
I absoloutley hate PLD... like Marchand... like Tkachuk but it wouldn't hurt this team to have a guy like him. Teams need rats apparently now. I hate to say it.
Wendel is my all time favourite leaf but basically you can't retaliate now and there isn't many fights so you can't stop those guys anymore like you use to. It's bullshit but that's what's happening.
I feel like the old man yelling at the clouds (and no I'm not that old) but it's how the NHL seems to be now.
Anyway rant done but if you can get PLD signed, plus Ehlers, and Helly... for Marner and Sammy... that is a freaking haul. You'd have to give Winnipeg way more though. A higher pick and a good prospect.
Just spit balling. I don't know value could be close. It just seems like too many moving pieces but maybe a base is there somewhere. Paul would be upset lol.
At this point minimum I'd think Keefe is gone. I figure if we don't know tomorrow it's forsure Tuesday or Wednesday next week. Time is ticking fast to big decisions for the roster and draft and free agency etc
Can you imagine the GM of the Montreal Canadians saying the same thing in a press conference and surviving?
The media would be like, so you’re not sure if you want to continue to be the GM of the most successful and storied team in the NHL?
That person would be instantly run out of town.
Most of the trades seem too good to be realistic.
NHL playoffs have always been that they. They never changed.
Scout's Analysis: What the Maple Leafs will be considering this off-season
The Toronto Maple Leafs will have to make quick decisions on possibly big changes, so how do they get there and what should they do? Former scout Jason Bukala writes about end of season meetings and what the Leafs would be weighing.
CORE PIECE: RETAIN
• Auston Matthews
• Morgan Rielly
CORE PIECE: TRADE/ENTERTAIN OFFERS
• Mitch Marner
• William Nylander
• John Tavares
SECONDARY PIECE: TRADE/ENTERTAIN OFFERS
• Timothy Liljegren
DEPTH PIECE: RETAIN
• Sam Lafferty
UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS: SIGN
• Noel Acciari
• Luke Schenn
• Ryan O’Reilly
UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS: WALK
• Alex Kerfoot
• David Kampf
• Michael Bunting
• Wayne Simmonds
• Zach Aston-Reese
• Justin Holl
• Erik Gustafsson
HYPOTHETICAL RETURNS
Toronto trades to Arizona: William Nylander, Timothy Liljegren
Arizona trades to Toronto: Lawson Crouse, Barrett Hayton, 2023 second-rounder
or
Toronto trades to Philadelphia: Mitch Marner, Timothy Liljegren
Philadelphia trades to Toronto: Travis Konecny, Ivan Provorov, 2025 first-rounder, 2023 fourth-rounder
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Staying or Going? Remaking the Maple Leafs' Core After Playoff Exit
It's never not dramatic in Toronto when it involves the Maple Leafs. The Leafs were eliminated by the Florida Panthers 3-2 in overtime of Game 5 on Friday…
Staying or Going? Remaking the Maple Leafs' Core After Playoff Exit
JOE YERDON
MAY 13, 2023
It's never not dramatic in Toronto when it involves the Maple Leafs.
The Leafs were eliminated by the Florida Panthers 3-2 in overtime of Game 5 on Friday night, ushering in an offseason ripe for change. It's another year without a Stanley Cup, and while it was finally a season in which Toronto escaped the first round of the playoffs (for the first time since 2004), it bowed out quickly in the second round.
"We lose the series in the first three games," Maple Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe said. "I thought we played well enough to win the game [Friday night], but the first three games, we're in similar positions we were in Games 4 and 5, and we didn't handle the situations well and didn't capitalize on our chances. The margin for error is basically none because of our results in the first three games, so that's where we lose the series."
Losing in the playoffs has become all too common for the Maple Leafs, and they're in a precarious position. This is the fifth straight year they've tried to win a Cup with Kyle Dubas as the general manager as well as the core four of Auston Matthews, John Tavares, William Nylander and Mitchell Marner. It's the fourth straight season that's ended in disappointment with Keefe behind the bench.
Everyone thought something had to give when the Leafs lost to the Tampa Bay Lightning in seven games last year, but they ran it back. That doesn't seem likely now, and there are questions to ask regarding who's staying and who's going, so let's get right to it.
Going: Kyle Dubas
Going: Sheldon Keefe
Staying: John Tavares
Staying: Auston Matthews
Going: Mitchell Marner
Staying: William Nylander
Welp, today's the day.
Dubas clearly got the week to decide, and work has to happen next week.
I'd imagine he comes back, but I have no idea.
Dubas clearly got the week to decide, and work has to happen next week.
I'd imagine he comes back, but I have no idea.
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... and you would put up a huge barrier to attracting quality talent, who would want to work in that sort of environment. "Hey me and the wife are having problems" ... "YOU'RE FIRRRRRRRED !!!"
Before I took over my current department, the prior Director had a philosophy that the company owned you, in his mind his employees were the equlivent to human cattle, he did not respect the right to have an uninterrupted vacation, respect stat holidays, days of rest, 8 hour work day, home life balance, I have my suspicions but have no proof that he broke the labor code, more than once, he had an ever revolving door of talent and had performance issues with the people who remained, because of the high turnover, he had issues establishing good processes and practice's, the business unit was a mess. Sick leave and sick time were exorbitantly high, It was 100% because he did not respect the fact that the names that worked for him, were humans, with human issues, human problems, human emotions and were most importantly people. That mess of a business unit, I now run, based on company surveys, now has the highest rated employee morale, those scores have increased every year since I took over, customer sat surveys have improved on the same trajectory as the employee ratings, my departments costs are down, revenues are up. Mostly because I recognized the fact the people who work for me are not pieces of meat, who are easily disposable because they have home life challenges. This allows me to retain good talent, establish good business processes and practice's, there is a sense of a well oiled machine, TBH I could now take a couple of months off and come back and know the people there give a shit enough to make sure it does not falter. That is what you get when you respect home life boundaries and don't fire/ let people go people because they have family/home life issues.
One question on the employees survey, is "would you recommend this company to a friend or family to work at?" My department has the highest score in the company. I attract the best talent because I respect the talent I currently have. Morale of the story is you treat people like dirt, the results you get will be dirt. treat people with respect/dignity and they will mostly surprise you and make your department the best performing department in the company. Not allowing Dubas to work through his marital problems, is to say the least callous. Any self respecting person, wouldn't want to work for a company that had your attitude.
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I’d hope the board has been interviewing people all week in case Dubas says no. If this ends up like Arizona where they don’t have a plan B that would be brutal.
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Over the last 20 years FOUR 100 point players have been traded, safe to say that Marner and Matty are 100 point players. two of those trades happened last year, in the same deal. It's easy to fan trade an elite player but to actually accomplish this and not make the team worse is almost impossible.
Step 1: What you can do is strip JT of the Captaincy, that has to be the first step. The team mimics his meek mild behavior. Meek and mild is not what you want in hockey. Who the better fit is as "C" , I don't know, I'm not in the locker room. The C is mostly symbolic but its also symbolic to strip a guy of his captaincy. It does send a message to the team.
Step 2: Keefe as good as his regular season record is, has had four kicks at the cat and has missed in epic fashion four years in a row. I can't see how him leading this team next year would yield different results. Eventually the players tune out the coach , the fact they have not tuned him out yet, after the last four playoffs, is an anomaly IMO. There needs to be a new vision behind the Leafs bench, Quenneville is my #1 choice, i get it he was a a monster in Chicago but I believe in redemption. Brunette would be a good #2 choice, Gallant as much of a stubborn ass hat he is rumored to be, he might be the change we need. If Cassidy can get fired in Boston, Trots can get let go in Washington and Gallant can be let go in NY, why cant Keefe be let go in Toronto?
Step 3: Replace Dubas and Shanny, they have run out their welcome. Same guys, same results.
I'm not as high on trading any of the big four as some of you guys are, mostly because its hard to negotiate fair value, when you got a gun to your head. Other GM's know the pressure in Toronto and are likely to offer Zaitesev for Marner, Gallagher for Matthews and suggest they are over paying.
Step 1: What you can do is strip JT of the Captaincy, that has to be the first step. The team mimics his meek mild behavior. Meek and mild is not what you want in hockey. Who the better fit is as "C" , I don't know, I'm not in the locker room. The C is mostly symbolic but its also symbolic to strip a guy of his captaincy. It does send a message to the team.
Step 2: Keefe as good as his regular season record is, has had four kicks at the cat and has missed in epic fashion four years in a row. I can't see how him leading this team next year would yield different results. Eventually the players tune out the coach , the fact they have not tuned him out yet, after the last four playoffs, is an anomaly IMO. There needs to be a new vision behind the Leafs bench, Quenneville is my #1 choice, i get it he was a a monster in Chicago but I believe in redemption. Brunette would be a good #2 choice, Gallant as much of a stubborn ass hat he is rumored to be, he might be the change we need. If Cassidy can get fired in Boston, Trots can get let go in Washington and Gallant can be let go in NY, why cant Keefe be let go in Toronto?
Step 3: Replace Dubas and Shanny, they have run out their welcome. Same guys, same results.
I'm not as high on trading any of the big four as some of you guys are, mostly because its hard to negotiate fair value, when you got a gun to your head. Other GM's know the pressure in Toronto and are likely to offer Zaitesev for Marner, Gallagher for Matthews and suggest they are over paying.
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You talk a great game but I've interacted with you enough to spot a petty tyrant in sheep's clothing.
Now, report me to HR ASAP. Because I know that's what you've done several times in your career.
Yes I know a bit about anxiety and mental health
Not good going into a job with public scrutiny
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I don't recall ever speaking to you before, you must not be that rememberable. Who are you? When you aggressively reply to a post of mine, in a fashion that is against the rules of use on this forum. Debate the topic don't attack the poster right?, that say's a lot more about you and your oddly aggressive mindset. MOD's please don't remove his post or ban him, I think that poo nugget of a post needs to stay up as a reminder of the type of poster he is.
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I'm sorry about being so pointed. Like many people in the modern world, it's just that I'm really stressed right now. You of all people should be empathetic of that. This has felt very therapeutic to get out of my system. I'm sure you must understand that.
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