Leafs need a stud D to win a cup. Who is traded for one?

[Menzinger]

• 2022-Jul-22 Traded from Calgary Flames with conditional draft pick to Florida Panthers for MacKenzie Weegar, Jonathan Huberdeau, Cole Schwindt and round 1 pick in the 2025 draft

Willie won't be traded to a team he won't extend with similar to PLD and MT. Will be interesting what Tre gets for him if he is dealt. Needs to find a GM that is infatuated with Willie.

Though not a perfect comparison in that Tkachuk was a 24 year old rfa not a 27 year old ufa.

Imo to get Nylander and his agent to agree to a sign and trade it would require a perfect storm of the right team and right salary point. Personally I'd say there's a very low chance of that ever happening.

The easiest route for the Leafs is an extension, which I suspect will be the eventual outcome here

 

[Fogelhund]

Five pages of discussion so far about who should be traded for a Stud D.

How about we just start with a list of Stud D's that are available... anybody?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Five pages of discussion so far about who should be traded for a Stud D.

How about we just start with a list of Stud D's that are available... anybody?

That's pretty much what it has been.

I think everyone knows that we have only one tradable player who could possibly return a 'stud D', so it's really a 'trade Nylander' thread in disguise.

 

[ACC1224]

Five pages of discussion so far about who should be traded for a Stud D.

How about we just start with a list of Stud D's that are available... anybody?

No one would know who's available, we aren't privy to that information.
The real topic, IMO is whether there is a need for one?

 

[Fogelhund]

That's pretty much what it has been.

I think everyone knows that we have only one tradable player who could possibly return a 'stud D', so it's really a 'trade Nylander' thread in disguise.

I mean going through the pages, there really hasn't been many names brought up at all.. save one or two posts. A lot of arguing about Seth Jones and whether he's a stud (he's not), and one guy mentioning a few guys...
Ina. Nylander trade, the D I could be happy seeing back are . . .
- Seth Jones (CHI)
- Drysdale (ANA) (wouldn't have thought of him but previous poster makes excellent points)
- Hanifin (CGY)
- Brett Pesce (CAR)

Drysdale was brought up with the following comment.... Zellweger and Mintyukov make Drysdale redundant. Somehow we should believe that two LD prospects, have made the RD on the roster redundant.

So, I guess we are down to Hanifin and Pesce....

No one would know who's available, we aren't privy to that information.
The real topic, IMO is whether there is a need for one?

Valid points. I don't know if we need a Stud... maybe a good compliment to Rielly though.... Strange that we are going to need to trade Nylander to make that happen, when it seemed Schenn worked pretty well there, and brought a ton of other tools we'd like as well. But, he did get overpaid for who he is.

 

[ACC1224]

I mean going through the pages, there really hasn't been many names brought up at all.. save one or two posts. A lot of arguing about Seth Jones and whether he's a stud (he's not), and one guy mentioning a few guys...
Ina. Nylander trade, the D I could be happy seeing back are . . .
- Seth Jones (CHI)
- Drysdale (ANA) (wouldn't have thought of him but previous poster makes excellent points)
- Hanifin (CGY)
- Brett Pesce (CAR)

Drysdale was brought up with the following comment.... Zellweger and Mintyukov make Drysdale redundant. Somehow we should believe that two LD prospects, have made the RD on the roster redundant.

So, I guess we are down to Hanifin and Pesce....



Valid points. I don't know if we need a Stud... maybe a good compliment to Rielly though.... Strange that we are going to need to trade Rielly to make that happen, when it seemed Schenn worked pretty well there, and brought a ton of other tools we'd like as well. But, he did get overpaid for who he is.

I'd agree, sure a undisputed #1 would be great but I don't see it as a priority.

 

[Fogelhund]

The "best" solution that I can come up with, where players **might** be available, is Calgary absolutely bombing it out of the gates, and a number of their players saying they won't extend.

To me, finding a way to get Lindholm AND Weegar, would be the absolutely ideal situation for our team.... It would end up having to be Nylander + Brodie + ????

The question I'd have, is what Lindholm would extend for. If it's $9 mil or less.... I think it's something you consider. If it's more... I don't think it works.

But, this depends on Calgary having another bad year, and them wanting Nylander etc... Nylander waiving to go there.

Weegar playing his simpler, physical game, should be a good partner for Mo.

With Lindholm at $9 mil, Lily extended at $3 mil per....... we'd have 17 players signed, with $13.7 mil in room...


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[notDatsyuk]

I mean going through the pages, there really hasn't been many names brought up at all.. save one or two posts. A lot of arguing about Seth Jones and whether he's a stud (he's not), and one guy mentioning a few guys...
Ina. Nylander trade, the D I could be happy seeing back are . . .
- Seth Jones (CHI)
- Drysdale (ANA) (wouldn't have thought of him but previous poster makes excellent points)
- Hanifin (CGY)
- Brett Pesce (CAR)

Drysdale was brought up with the following comment.... Zellweger and Mintyukov make Drysdale redundant. Somehow we should believe that two LD prospects, have made the RD on the roster redundant.

So, I guess we are down to Hanifin and Pesce....



Valid points. I don't know if we need a Stud... maybe a good compliment to Rielly though.... Strange that we are going to need to trade Nylander to make that happen, when it seemed Schenn worked pretty well there, and brought a ton of other tools we'd like as well. But, he did get overpaid for who he is.

Yep. Not a lot of 'stud D' around, and fewer who would be available.

Not a great thread.

 

[darrylsittler27]

That's pretty much what it has been.

I think everyone knows that we have only one tradable player who could possibly return a 'stud D', so it's really a 'trade Nylander' thread in disguise.

Well no I wanted a list because We need one. Our d prospects is thin too. Gio and Brodie will need replacing and I don't Niemela more than 6th dman.

Yep. Not a lot of 'stud D' around, and fewer who would be available.

Not a great thread.

We are thin on d prospects and Gio and Brodie are getting old.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Well no I wanted a list because We need one. Our d prospects is thin too. Gio and Brodie will need replacing and I don't Niemela more than 6th dman.


We are thin on d prospects and Gio and Brodie are getting old.

Our defense is Reilly, liljegren and McCabe the rest are low impact add ons not top 4 to me. I was hoping there were more dmen like the one on Detroit.

The "best" solution that I can come up with, where players **might** be available, is Calgary absolutely bombing it out of the gates, and a number of their players saying they won't extend.

To me, finding a way to get Lindholm AND Weegar, would be the absolutely ideal situation for our team.... It would end up having to be Nylander + Brodie + ????

The question I'd have, is what Lindholm would extend for. If it's $9 mil or less.... I think it's something you consider. If it's more... I don't think it works.

But, this depends on Calgary having another bad year, and them wanting Nylander etc... Nylander waiving to go there.

Weegar playing his simpler, physical game, should be a good partner for Mo.

With Lindholm at $9 mil, Lily extended at $3 mil per....... we'd have 17 players signed, with $13.7 mil in room...


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Can't see Nylander waiving for Calgary.

 

[darrylsittler27]

No one would know who's available, we aren't privy to that information.
The real topic, IMO is whether there is a need for one?

There is. Gio and Brodie ain't young and our d prospects is thin..Niemela may only be a nice 6th dman and that's it.

 

[nuck]

I mean going through the pages, there really hasn't been many names brought up at all.. save one or two posts. A lot of arguing about Seth Jones and whether he's a stud (he's not), and one guy mentioning a few guys...
Ina. Nylander trade, the D I could be happy seeing back are . . .
- Seth Jones (CHI)
- Drysdale (ANA) (wouldn't have thought of him but previous poster makes excellent points)
- Hanifin (CGY)
- Brett Pesce (CAR)

Drysdale was brought up with the following comment.... Zellweger and Mintyukov make Drysdale redundant. Somehow we should believe that two LD prospects, have made the RD on the roster redundant.

So, I guess we are down to Hanifin and Pesce....



Valid points. I don't know if we need a Stud... maybe a good compliment to Rielly though.... Strange that we are going to need to trade Nylander to make that happen, when it seemed Schenn worked pretty well there, and brought a ton of other tools we'd like as well. But, he did get overpaid for who he is.

Jones is too much of a question mark. That declining Chicago team was too big for any one guy to carry but the deal he is signed is a killer risk if he doesn't bounce back hard. He needs a big year to re-establish himself.

Hanifin I am not sure is a top pair guy but more a reflection of his battery mate. Take away his 21-22 year as with Gaudreau and Lindholm and his upside doesn't look so attractive, plus he is a LD which they don't need and plays a low contact game which they have in spades.

Pesce is not a bruiser but his credibility for quality defense is well established and he is a right shot so a Rielly fit looks natural. Except the rumor is TO is on his NT list so...

Drysdale is interesting if you are sure you aren't getting damaged goods but I think he would have to be part of a multi player deal for it to work for both clubs. How much clear daylight is there between the player he can become and who Lilly can become because it makes sense the Ducks want a young RD back right? They spent the 6th overall on the kid and he scored 32pts as a 19 year old so thats some big smoke. An extended Willie would be required to get that deal made IMO and its the other parts in play that can make it a win for either team. But an extended Willie for the Ducks seems pretty unlikely.

Willie can choose his destination and get the club a big return, or not choose and still get a solid rental return from a club who thinks they have the inside track. Not sure getting anything proven is realistic. I like a deal involving Wahlstrom from the Isles.

 

[darrylsittler27]

So basically dmen are too valuable and too hard to find. We have thin dman pool and only Nylander can fetch what we do need. Defense wins cups and we have lots of offense with Knies and Robertson arriving. So what's our reality?

 

[Fogelhund]

So basically dmen are too valuable and too hard to find. We have thin dman pool and only Nylander can fetch what we do need. Defense wins cups and we have lots of offense with Knies and Robertson arriving. So what's our reality?

Everyone seems to have a different reality.

 

[TMLAM34]

I’m perfectly fine with keeping Nylander but if he were to be moved, a deal around Byram would be pretty good.

 

[authentic]

So basically dmen are too valuable and too hard to find. We have thin dman pool and only Nylander can fetch what we do need. Defense wins cups and we have lots of offense with Knies and Robertson arriving. So what's our reality?

Our reality is in times of need our offense has suffered far more than our defense

 

[notDatsyuk]

Well no I wanted a list because We need one. Our d prospects is thin too. Gio and Brodie will need replacing and I don't Niemela more than 6th dman.


We are thin on d prospects and Gio and Brodie are getting old.

You didn't ask for a list of 'stud D' that were or might be available.

Your question was "Who is traded for one?", knowing full well that Nylander is the only tradable player who can return us one.

But now you have the answer to your question.

 

[Stephen]

If you look at some of the upper echelon contenders, a team that has both a supply of defensemen and possibly a need for an elite forward would be Colorado.

Landeskog seems to be out with a long term injury. Nylander isn't the same kind of winger, but high end offense that can slot behind Mackinnon and Rantanen.

In terms of D, they have Devon Toews, who is also a UFA after this season. They also have Bowen Byram who is younger, more injury prone but with more upside. Both are LHD unfortunately. On the other hand, you could see how our UFA dollars could go for a free agent like Devon Toews, should Nylander walk...

 

[ZEBROA]

I just wish they trade or sign Nylander so all these speculations goes away.
this dude has been in trade talk 30000 times.

If you trade him for D you need to compensate for his offence so the D has to be a offensive D and then you need to compansate for the offensive Ds lack off Defense so you need a Defensive D , but too get the Defensive D you need to trade some prospects but then you got no future, and so on.

Focus on a solid boring D for nothing and be happy. Must be some underrated only defensive minded D out there.

 

[ACC1224]

There is. Gio and Brodie ain't young and our d prospects is thin..Niemela may only be a nice 6th dman and that's it.

Fair but it wouldn’t require a stud to replace either/both of them.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Drysdale was brought up with the following comment.... Zellweger and Mintyukov make Drysdale redundant. Somehow we should believe that two LD prospects, have made the RD on the roster redundant.

Buffalo has Dahlin and Power, both LHD's.

Do you really think they're concerned they're missing a top RHD? Having two guys like Zelwegger and Mintyukov makes stomaching a trade of a player like Drysdale much easier. Does it really matter what side the goals are coming from?

A stud defenseman is a stud defenseman regardless what hand he plays.

 

[Fogelhund]

Buffalo has Dahlin and Power, both LHD's.

Do you really think they're concerned they're missing a top RHD? Having two guys like Zelwegger and Mintyukov makes stomaching a trade of a player like Drysdale much easier. Does it really matter what side the goals are coming from?

A stud defenseman is a stud defenseman regardless what hand he plays.

This is bizarre logic at best. Buffalo has two LHD's, who project to be very good D men. I don't find it logical, that if they also had a RHD who was very good, that they'd find him "redundant". That was your choice in words... redundant, as in not useful.

Having three controlled Defensive assets, does not make one redundant, in any way, shape or form. Having good to very good D men, either on ELC, or second contracts is something any building team would love to have. Ducks are not at the stage to be selling young assets, for someone expensive like Nylander anyway... they aren't that close to competing. Redundant Drysdale most certainly isn't.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

This is bizarre logic at best. Buffalo has two LHD's, who project to be very good D men. I don't find it logical, that if they also had a RHD who was very good, that they'd find him "redundant". That was your choice in words... redundant, as in not useful.

Having three controlled Defensive assets, does not make one redundant, in any way, shape or form. Having good to very good D men, either on ELC, or second contracts is something any building team would love to have. Ducks are not at the stage to be selling young assets, for someone expensive like Nylander anyway... they aren't that close to competing. Redundant Drysdale most certainly isn't.

Redundant as in not needed.

Because he wouldn't be needed so much anymore. But if you wish to argue semantics then I suppose a better word would be expendable. Because he would clearly be a very good and useful player for any team.

But if they are looking for another elite winger, and the cost is Drysdale, then it doesn't hurt so much knowing they got two more stud defensemen that make him expendable.

 

[Fogelhund]

Redundant as in not needed.

Because he wouldn't be needed so much anymore. But if you wish to argue semantics then I suppose a better word would be expendable. Because he would clearly be a very good and useful player for any team.

But if they are looking for another elite winger, and the cost is Drysdale, then it doesn't hurt so much knowing they got two more stud defensemen that make him expendable.

They aren't looking for anything at this point... just building. Besides, why on earth would they declare a NHL calibre D man redundant, because of two guys who have never played a single NHL game... ?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

They aren't looking for anything at this point... just building. Besides, why on earth would they declare a NHL calibre D man redundant, because of two guys who have never played a single NHL game... ?

Good Lord.

It's a fantasy trade proposal.

It wasn't meant to pass the most stringent of sniff tests. The original question asked what stud D Nylander should be traded for. I suggested Drysdale and threw out a few reasons why.

Sorry it didn't match your expectations of what a fantasy trade proposal should be.