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Mess said:
William Nylander to Chicago for Seth Jones [50% retention] off his $9.5 mil AAV contract.

Leafs get themselves a 6-4/ 215 RHD .. Big mean and mobile.,

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I'm guessing the black hole of Chicago would be on his NTC list.

I don't see Nylander signing on another team, unless it is a team he wants to go to.

My guess he goes UFA if he doesn't sign with Leafs. Then he choses his team, which might be the Leafs.

What is his value as a 1 year rental on a team that isn't on his NTC, and has cap space or a similar player contract wise?

Hanifin for Nylander and a couple other assets to balance out the Cap, if they're just looking to beef up the defense.
 
AvroArrow said:
Seth Jones is complete trash relative to his contract, that's one of the worst contracts in the league if not the worst. If he wasn't drafted top 5 and related to a very prominent athlete(s) nobody would be talking about him.

The guy flat out sucks, he's a mediocre 3-4 D-man getting 9M.
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In his defense (which makes me feel absolutely sick to do), he did say at 50% retained. That changes the value of the player quite a bit. It's also hard to get a good gauge on what Jones is after playing on that horrid Blackhawks team for the past few years.
 
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ULF_55 said:
They already have drafted players, and yes they are going to give players an opportunity, example Knies and Robertson to begin and others like Benoit, Abruzzese, Hirvonen and Niemela.

Leafs lineup needs work, it isn't returning as some championship calibre team.
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There is a major difference between EARNING an opportunity and being GIVEN an opportunity.

Knies earned it.

You by your own words want players to be GIVEN an opportunity.

Those are not the same things.
 
ULF_55 said:
I'm guessing the black hole of Chicago would be on his NTC list.

I don't see Nylander signing on another team, unless it is a team he wants to go to.

My guess he goes UFA if he doesn't sign with Leafs. Then he choses his team, which might be the Leafs.

What is his value as a 1 year rental on a team that isn't on his NTC, and has cap space or a similar player contract wise?

Hanifin for Nylander and a couple other assets to balance out the Cap, if they're just looking to beef up the defense.
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Rebuttal..

What about Fatherly advice? . "Like Father like Son" ..

Nylander could become the wingman for Connor Bedard in Chicago, and Bedard is the next franchise #1C. Great opportunity for Willy to continue to light up the boxscore and lets not forget Willy's father Michael played 4 years in Chicago (1999 thru 2003). His brother Alex Nylander also spent a year in Chicago in 2019-20.

Chicago has the 2nd most availabe cap space at $12,864,876 .. Room for Willy to get +$10 mil on term and his ask.

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Seth Jones famous father is Ronald "Popeye" Jones who was a former NBA player with the Toronto Raptors.

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So Seth Jones would be very familiar with Toronto.
 
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Mess said:
Rebuttal..

What about Fatherly advice? . "Like Father like Son" ..

Nylander could become the wingman for Connor Bedard in Chicago, and Bedard is the next franchise #1C. Great opportunity for Willy to continue to light up the boxscore and lets not forget Willy's father Michael played 4 years in Chicago (1999 thru 2003). His brother Alex Nylander also spent a year in Chicago in 2019-20

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Seth Jones famous father is Ronald "Popeye" Jones who was a former NBA player with the Toronto Raptors.

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So Seth Jones would be very familiar with Toronto.
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Seth Jones is not by any standard a #1 stud defenseman. I didn't read the whole thread so sorry if I missed who proposed it. Unless the Leafs are getting a Hedman or a lower tier like Slavin., I'm not trading Nylander for anyone.
 
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Mess said:
Rebuttal..

What about Fatherly advice? . "Like Father like Son" ..

Nylander could become the wingman for Connor Bedard in Chicago, and Bedard is the next franchise #1C. Great opportunity for Willy to continue to light up the boxscore and lets not forget Willy's father Michael played 4 years in Chicago (1999 thru 2003). His brother Alex Nylander also spent a year in Chicago in 2019-20.

Chicago has the 2nd most availabe cap space at $12,864,876 .. Room for Willy to get +$10 mil on term and his ask.

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Seth Jones famous father is Ronald "Popeye" Jones who was a former NBA player with the Toronto Raptors.

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So Seth Jones would be very familiar with Toronto.
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If you brought up Pittsburgh, I could see him agreeing to a move.
 
LeafChief said:
In his defense (which makes me feel absolutely sick to do), he did say at 50% retained. That changes the value of the player quite a bit. It's also hard to get a good gauge on what Jones is after playing on that horrid Blackhawks team for the past few years.
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Remember Seth Jones as a member of Columbus when he played against Leafs in the playing round in the 2019-20 and Leafs struggled to score and got shutout multiple times while Seth Jones and Zach Werenski played 30+ minutes a night in a shutdown role?

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CBJ only gave up 10 goals against in 5 games. That is the Seth Jones I'm referring to as a possiblity in Toronto.
 
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ULF_55 said:
If you brought up Pittsburgh, I could see him agreeing to a move.
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Willy only has a limited NTC where he can only block a move to 10 teams.

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21 teams outside of the Leafs doesn't require his approval..

However we're seeing more sign and trade deals where the new team gets that 8th year on term. So this is also a possibility to factor into any trade of Nylander where Leafs return > when dealing a signed player. :)

BT already has commented he does not want another Johnny Gaudreau walking away for free.
 
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Mess said:
Willy only has a limited NTC where he can only block a move to 10 teams.

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21 teams outside of the Leafs doesn't require his approval..

However we're seeing more sign and trade deals where the new team gets that 8th year on term. So this is also a possibilty to factor into any trade of Nylander where Leafs return > when dealing a signed player. :)
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It is just our opinions, but mine is he isn't overly concerned about the 8th. year.

Add to this, the leadership on the team isn't about taking max term.

Again, Nylander is in control of who he signs with.
 
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Shanny is too stubborn to trade any of the core, there's no cap room to make major moves, we don't have the picks/prospects required to bring in a #1 dman.

I frankly don't see it happening...lucking out and drafting one is the only way but that's some pretty long odds.
 
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What happened to Seth Jones. He was pretty good prior to 2020 and just fall off a cliff.

Not saying 50% retention is a good deal. But just really curious what happened

Imagine Connor Murphy, Seth Jones (50% retention) for TJ, Robertson and Kling comes X'mas time.
 
TMLBlueandWhite said:
Drysdale still isn't signed.

Ducks have the cap space. Zellweger and Mintyukov make Drysdale redundant. Anaheim is in need of a winger like Nylander.

Whereas the Leafs have one too many of him already.

The core of any rebuild includes five major players: A star center, a number one defenseman, a stud goalie, a power forward, and a high scoring winger.

The Leafs core is anything but balanced. Building the team top heavy makes it poorly constructed. Unless continued mediocrity is the desired outcome.

Which is why trading Nylander for a young RHD on his breakout threshold makes sense.

Too bad I don't have any faith in this franchise being savvy enough to make a predatory trade. Swapping out expensive vets for young talent that will outperform their contracts. If anything I expect the exact opposite.

I mean, let's face it, this is the same team that gave 2x2nd + 3rd for the oldest player in the league.
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So trade your high scoring winger for a young defenceman who might breakout to be a number one?
 
ULF_55 said:
I'm guessing the black hole of Chicago would be on his NTC list.

I don't see Nylander signing on another team, unless it is a team he wants to go to.

My guess he goes UFA if he doesn't sign with Leafs. Then he choses his team, which might be the Leafs.

What is his value as a 1 year rental on a team that isn't on his NTC, and has cap space or a similar player contract wise?

Hanifin for Nylander and a couple other assets to balance out the Cap, if they're just looking to beef up the defense.
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Bedard has erased the black hole.
It's a chance to play with a potential generational talent - in a great original 6 city.

Ina. Nylander trade, the D I could be happy seeing back are . . .
- Seth Jones (CHI)
- Drysdale (ANA) (wouldn't have thought of him but previous poster makes excellent points)
- Hanifin (CGY)
- Brett Pesce (CAR)
- probably a host of others... but it'll likely be (if Treliving does it) a big physical D who can either be excellent defensively while chipping in, or is at least a top 4 offensive d-man - probably the former seeing as how we already got Klingberg
 
The type of D man that most people are talking about here isn't going to be traded and certainly not for a soon to be UFA RW. And you can also get those tier below guys without trading a major roster piece (ie Brodie as a ufa, Muzzin for a few futures)

I don't want Seth Jones anywhere near this team. Some of Y'all need to watch more out of conference games it seems. He's a 2nd pairing guy paid like he's a true #1......
 
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AvroArrow said:
Seth Jones is complete trash relative to his contract, that's one of the worst contracts in the league if not the worst. If he wasn't drafted top 5 and related to a very prominent athlete(s) nobody would be talking about him.

The guy flat out sucks, he's a mediocre 3-4 D-man getting 9M.
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At 4.5M hes a pretty good deal and I think hes a good 2D ot a 3/4.

Chicago wont ever retain 50% on him and have no interest in Nylander so doesnt make sense
 
Nineteen67 said:
The Rangers need scoring but they shouldnt give up one of their D.
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Islanders have Sorokin and a full set of great Dmen and one on the way. It would be a shame to break it up but if they can add forty goals they should probably take it, even if just for the fans. They're so short on goals even losing Eberle hurt.

Willy and a playmaker like Barzal on L1 they might really get their monies worth.
 
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Menzinger said:
The type of D man that most people are talking about here isn't going to be traded and certainly not for a soon to be UFA RW. And you can also get those tier below guys without trading a major roster piece (ie Brodie as a ufa, Muzzin for a few futures)

I don't want Seth Jones anywhere near this team. Some of Y'all need to watch more out of conference games it seems. He's a 2nd pairing guy paid like he's a true #1......
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We would LOVE a big tough 2nd pairing guy, if we can make the money work!!
Absolutely ideal IMHO.
 
Jamason said:
So trade your high scoring winger for a young defenceman who might breakout to be a number one?
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Well that plus the billion dollars in cap relief. Players are trying to negotiate like the cap has already taken off again. They have a money driven group. It might worth a change for that alone.
 
If Liljegren takes that next step, our blueline isn’t that bad…

Rielly - McCabe
Brodie - Liljegren
Giordano/Benoit - Klingberg
 
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LeafEgo said:
Islanders have Sorokin and a full set of great Dmen and one on the way. It would be a shame to break it up but if they can add forty goals they should probably take it, even if just for the fans. They're so short on goals even losing Eberle hurt.

Willy and a playmaker like Barzal on L1 they might really get their monies worth.
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The Islanders' defense is highly overrated. Most were a product of Trotz's coaching. Dobson might turn into something useful, but not for Nylander. I think it's mostly irrelevant anyway, because Treliving is clearly not going to trade Nylander.
 
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