Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 4-2

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The point seems to be missed. Many fans treat every period, and every game as some type referendum on the players, coaching, Dubas..... The reactions border on hysterical. It's a mix of comedy, and tiresome. The over reactions of everything that happens here, under a giant microscope is incredible. Rational discussion doesn't need to include constant over reactions to minutia, and surely it's made some of these posters miserable.
Then there's these other fans who don't even treat playoff losses as referendums on individual seasons or a collection of consecutive playoff losses as referendums on regimes. Also a great source of comedy.
 
Yeah reminds of me of Cooper from last playoffs, just a garbage comment to make as a coach. Keefe is also to blame, he doesn't get a free pass. He needs to understand it's his job to keep the team motivated, prepared and ready to show up on time. It's not just "elite players weren't good enough" you didn't prepare your team well enough and as an entire team you failed to execute whatever the game plan was.

This is the NHL, we can poke fun at teams and what not but these guys are the best hockey players in the world and every team should be respected. When they're not, shit like that happens. Also feel like Keefe is throwing the players under the bus. Sure they could have been better, but so could you.
Cooper's comments reeked of confidence, but that confidence was earned. B2B cup champs who have been a top team in the east since 2015. And they then backed those comments up by beating us

We have these comments while losing in the first round 6 years in a row. I don't understand how we have this level of superiority when we haven't earned it
 
What’s weird to me about the situation room review is why don’t they comment on other mistakes that are made in other games? If there’s an eye in the sky, why are some plays reviewable and not others? Just comes across as arbitrary process.

I'm not sure what you're saying. You don't think the situation room is involved in plays in games not played by the Maple Leafs?

Either way, the point remains, the call the was made yesterday was not a bad call, was not inconclusive and was, in no way, shape or form, a dubious call "against" the Maple Leafs.
 

I'm still a bit rattled over yesterday but I need to remember it's an 82 game season. Arizona gives us trouble at home and thats before this core. It happens.
Honestly if I'm going to get angry after every loss well than thats not good for me. I need to relax.

My problem with this narrative is that it ignores that the Leafs have been routinely mediocre against bottom feeder teams. We had a better combined record vs top teams last year than we did against Montreal/Arizona/Buffalo/Vancouver etc. Even the season before in the 'North Division' they were .500 or even had a losing record against Ottawa and Vancouver who were the worst teams.
 
It doesn't matter if it hits the Arizona players stick, what matters is who has possession next after the puck is directed by the hand.

In this case, conclusively, the puck goes from Rielly's hand down to the ice and the next player to have possession is a Maple Leaf.

I don't think that was Rielly's intent, but what unfolded in that situation is definitely a hand pass, though, as I said, I don't think it was intended to be.
I am sorry, I don't agree with you. From the replay I saw, there was no CONCLUSIVE evidence IMHO that the puck could be seen making contact with Rielly's glove. The opponents stick was right there and appeared to be in Rielly's glove too!

The NHL ruled in favor of the Arizona Coyotes in an attempt to give that team a win. Bettman, and the NHL, are determined to prop up a team located in a non-hockey state. Taking points away from our Leafs means nothing to the profits for MLSE. For every Leafs fan that is willing to turn their backs on the NHL, and give up buying tickets, there are hundreds more that will take over those tickets. The NHL knows this and are willing to punish aour Leafs at every turn.

I believe that if that play and goal was scored by Arizona, it would NOT have been called back. It would have likely been a good goal the other way!!!!

JMHO.
 
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I'm not sure what you're saying. You don't think the situation room is involved in plays in games not played by the Maple Leafs?

Either way, the point remains, the call the was made yesterday was not a bad call, was not inconclusive and was, in no way, shape or form, a dubious call "against" the Maple Leafs.
Stay on the Habs board bud
 
I would think Robertson is in for Malgin next game and Simmonds is in for Aube-Kubel. Two dramatic losses to bottom feeders doesn't earn them another game without change.
 
My problem with this narrative is that it ignores that the Leafs have been routinely mediocre against bottom feeder teams. We had a better combined record vs top teams last year than we did against Montreal/Arizona/Buffalo/Vancouver etc. Even the season before in the 'North Division' they were .500 or even had a losing record against Ottawa and Vancouver who were the worst teams.
Again it's not that they lost, it's how they played thats the issue. Why do they continue having issues showing up on time to start the game? It continues to happen with this core year after year.
 
I'm not sure what you're saying. You don't think the situation room is involved in plays in games not played by the Maple Leafs?

Either way, the point remains, the call the was made yesterday was not a bad call, was not inconclusive and was, in no way, shape or form, a dubious call "against" the Maple Leafs.

Situation room is routinely not involved when there are missed calls on the ice. Calls into question the arbitrariness of the process and why you wouldn’t just have an eye in the sky officiating the whole game as opposed to 4 guys on the ice.
 
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This is completely random, and I mainly say it because I was offered tickets to the game last night -- but games like this are why I no longer jump at the chance of overpaying for tickets to go see a game, nor am I going to go out of my way to watch the game. I'm not affluent enough to potentially waste hundreds of dollars to watch a dud of a game, and I'm no longer going to miss out on something else to watch something I have no control over.

That may have some to do with age and things in life being put in perspective. It's also because I have very little emotional attachment to this current iteration of the team and its players, save for a handful, that they don't have that pull to suck me in life other editions of the team from years past.
 
Keefe has just begun his downward slide to oblivion. The pretty boys will go crying to their buddy in the Ivory Tower and that will be the beginning of Keefe's demise. The same thing happened to Babcock and will happen to Trotz should they bring him in.

I have had to hire quite a few of these Generation kids and to find one that actually gives a s*** is rare indeed and the Leafs have a bunch of them. However, come payday, they are the first one at the door. Well, these guys have already been paid. Put on top of that, the fact that the fans and media are getting more and more on their case that just makes them care less. They are sulking all the way to the bank, poor babies.

Tavares, for one, seems to put in the kind of effort each and every day that is needed and he is pretty beat up with no one to protect him. Yes, his raw skills are not at the level of some of the team but his heart and determination cannot be questioned.
 
...and yet he makes a good point here. Who it came from is irrelevant.
He doesn't make a good point though. It's not up to you or Jeffler to determine what is the proper way for fans to react at any time.
 
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I didn't hear what the ref said when they called back the goal, what was the exact words on the ruling?

Paraphrasing but it was due to a missed stoppage in play obviously due to a perceived hand pass. The far more interesting part was he started the call with "The Situation Room has determined..." which makes me think the ref wanted no part of this.
 
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This core has had lingering problems of uninspiring, disengaged play against teams they should beat since Babcock days. Maybe they don’t have the right coach to get them prepared but they just can’t be trusted.
 
I have had to hire quite a few of these Generation kids and to find one that actually gives a s*** is rare indeed and the Leafs have a bunch of them. However, come payday, they are the first one at the door. Well, these guys have already been paid. Put on top of that, the fact that the fans and media are getting more and more on their case that just makes them care less. They are sulking all the way to the bank, poor babies.
That feels like a pretty broad sweeping generalization based upon a groups age. There's plenty of younger players in the league with a strong work ethic and the values you seem to have forgotten about due to confirmation bias.

This was a bad game. I don't agree with revoking the third goal as any contact from the hand to the puck occurred after a slash to the glove and the puck went off a Coyotes players skate. That said, we can't expect to only show up for a quarter of the game and win either, so it doesn't really matter. Even if it was a good goal, our team put themselves in a situation where it mattered due to some lackluster play in a manner that's eerily similar to what I've seen from this squad the past few seasons, They're just not motivated against weaker competition.
 
This core has had lingering problems of uninspiring, disengaged play against teams they should beat since Babcock days. Maybe they don’t have the right coach to get them prepared but they just can’t be trusted.

From an outsiders perspective they could use more friction in the room. Internal rivalry between the top 2 lines, split up your stars between the PP1 and PP2 and have each unit competing hard for ice time, each trying to outshine the other group, etc. feeling the heat when you don’t score, next unit steals your thunder. Everyone’s a buddy, everyone believes in one another. Maybe you shouldn’t believe in each other. Maybe you need to prove it to each other every day. And you can’t do it, you get the boot.
 
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Keefe is such a poorly spoken goober. Even if you’re going to challenge your elite players there’s something distasteful about a pro coach punching down on another team that just beat you.
it's not only distasteful but disrespectful , Keefe and Dubas walk around believing their above the rest of the league even though they've never accomplished a damn thing
 
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That feels like a pretty broad sweeping generalization based upon a groups age. There's plenty of younger players in the league with a strong work ethic and the values you seem to have forgotten about due to confirmation bias.
It wasn't against an entire age group. I said it was rare to find one these days. I stand by what I stated. Heart and determination should be priority one for a GM these days. The players the Leafs coveted have little or none.
 
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Paraphrasing but it was due to a missed stoppage in play obviously due to a perceived hand pass. The far more interesting part was he started the call with "The Situation Room has determined..." which makes me think the ref wanted no part of this.
I wouldn't have wanted any part of that if I were him either. Calling back the tying goal in front of the home crowd with a minute left... I'd pin that on the situation room too.
 
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They look like kids doing cirlces around parents and just tiring themselves out
Puck possession is not the same as board work. Board work, grinding are different, they use the body, tire the defense out

The secret is out. Everyone knows how the leafs are going to play, even when they hold on to the puck, they know who the shooter will be

Just wait it out until Holl or someone on the point makes a mistake for a 2 on 1. Which we have given up plenty off
They need to get JT off the top PP unit, and have someone who is willing to stand in the slot and screen the goalie, particularly on shots from the point.
 
Good observations on the radio today talking about how when the Leafs cycle the zone and hold the puck and dominate lesser talent it’s usually when they are at their worst.

The other team is usually parking the bus and covering the slot while the Leafs look for parking space and never seem to get body positioning into the slot or crease area.

In a possession sense zone time and shot count are seen as positives but when we see too much perimeter cycling it means they’re held off of the critical areas.

One team that always had this tendency were the Jacques Martin Senators. They ran circles around the Pat Quinn Leafs yet we seemed to always score timely goals against them and the Sens always got goalied.
Was going to say same thing .. this was biggest take away from this game live at Scotia .. and it took 22 pages of threads for someone to comment on da major problem .. makes me LOL .. another guy on here thought Leafs carried play most of game (i think it was 50/50 on da eye ball test) because in 1st period they had puck until penalty and Nick's goal .. last couple minutes of 1st and entire 2nd were Leafs frustrated with 5 man defense box inside hash marks .. and same thing for 1st 10 minutes of 3rd until Willy (who threw up a couple times on bench by da way) decided he would take game over again .. he can do it because he can outskate traps and has skill once inside to finish too .. but none of JT, Matty or Mitch can break a trap with speed .. JT does not win any pucks unless someone passes to him down low .. Matty took 1 puck away on forecheck all game .. bottom line again some have noticed that Matty isn't noticeable and until he works himself back into game shape he will be a shooter only (he will lose da weight I am sure) .. da core, outside of Willy, can't handle a trap game and even worse when a team plays 5 guys down low and limits their shots they are rendered useless .. then as my buddy said why doesn't Keefer do anything different until 3rd period .. he did switch Kerfoot to Matty's line to utilize his speed to open up da trap and it did help Mitch create some seems in 3rd where Mitch looked much better

Da defense was horrific again .. Rielly can't handle anyone down low in his own end at all (a few games now where other weaker teams are manhandling him) .. and Brodie can't be sticking up for him like he is doing .. Muzzy and Holl just can't skate at all .. Sandin does not have da god given wheels .. Gio is even slipping with Sandin taking too many big hits (although that will improve when Lily's speed comes back) .. bottom line I am still giving Muzzy 10 more games but it is not looking good now

Blaming a young tender is about as bad as it gets on here .. another make me LOL .. again he kept us in game in 2nd period when they could have scored a couple more to take game away

Lastly refs did their game management special on 2 weak calls on cross check and stick interference but i think they have been told to call every one of those this year so they did .. but da hand pass was a joke reversal by da Americans in NHL office in Toronto was one for da ages .. neither ref on ice call a hand pass .. Rielly puts his hand up and Keller puts his stick up over his shoulders and both going for a loose puck .. it is a fair puck fight .. who knows who if puck hit stick or glove or both but it drops down straight and hits Keller foot and goes luckily to Mitch .. it was not what Rielly was trying to do it was a fluke it went to Mitch .. to reverse another beautiful play by Willy was wrong when call on ice was a goal .. it is why last year I told you guys this group of nhl reviewer guys in Toronto needs a Canadian who understands da game in its mix .. who cares if it is in Toronto when there is not a canadian employed .. also as it irks me still not another TO ref since Wes (who was hired pre Bettman) yet GTHL is BY FAR biggest minor league in world and puts more refs to OHL and AHL but yet not 1 guy in over 25 years has made NHL (things that make you go UMMMMHHHHHH) .. until Jacobs is removed as chair i fear nothing will change folks
 
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Yeah reminds of me of Cooper from last playoffs, just a garbage comment to make as a coach. Keefe is also to blame, he doesn't get a free pass. He needs to understand it's his job to keep the team motivated, prepared and ready to show up on time. It's not just "elite players weren't good enough" you didn't prepare your team well enough and as an entire team you failed to execute whatever the game plan was.

This is the NHL, we can poke fun at teams and what not but these guys are the best hockey players in the world and every team should be respected. When they're not, shit like that happens. Also feel like Keefe is throwing the players under the bus. Sure they could have been better, but so could you.
what Cooper said last playoffs was very calculated , it wasn't out of frustration by his teams play , it was meant to instill doubt in our players minds about their ability to close out a series , whether it had any impact is debatable

Keefe was just being an arrogant shit
 

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