Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 4-2

[Apex Predator]

Keefe is such a poorly spoken goober. Even if you’re going to challenge your elite players there’s something distasteful about a pro coach punching down on another team that just beat you.

Remember that Tampa series after game 1 when Cooper disrespected the Leafs. Everyone was upset over that. It’s the same here. Keefe didn’t lie about what he said.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

What a stupid thing to say. This team with no elite players just beat your team, you hack.

It’s really stupid. The coach has the same disrespectful mindset as his players it seems. No wonder they get clowned so often when this “we’re better than you” attitude is so pervasive.

There was nothing elite about last night. Also elite players and teams tend to win a playoff series or two, not talk about handshake line respect.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Keefe is such a poorly spoken goober. Even if you’re going to challenge your elite players there’s something distasteful about a pro coach punching down on another team that just beat you.

Well he is mostly right, the Leafs arent going to beat anyone unless their elite players show up. It's also not a particularly nice message to the roster after the first 3-4 players. If they're indistinguishable from arguably the worst team in the league, you have to wonder about how well built the Leafs actually are

 

[Stephen]

Remember that Tampa series after game 1 when Cooper disrespected the Leafs. Everyone was upset over that. It’s the same here. Keefe didn’t lie about what he said.

I think there’s a more professional way to call out your team than to disparage others. It creates a feeling of entitlement, disrespect and fragility when things don’t go right.

The process is you’re playing an NHL branded team with other pro hockey players and you should have a similar level of effort and preparation for each game.

Don’t get me wrong. He’s not wrong. It’s just you don’t have to say the quiet part out loud.

 

[fahad203]

The truth is spoken here. Terrible game for sure, but so many posters treat every game, every period as a referendum, which as pointed out, makes them miserable, and their posting miserable.

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Nobody here is upset with the loss. It's how they lost.
They also lost to Habs with similar effort. All that in a week

They had 5 pp. 1 shot . 1 shot and that one shot flukely found it's way to the net

Justin Holl giving the puck away when he had full control on his strong side

Those are the stuff drives Leafs nation crazy. Not the loss. Trust me you in this, when you are a Leafs fan for long as most of us have, you get used to the losses

 

[FerrisRox]

That should have been ruled INCONCLUSIVE for a glove pass!!! No way they could tell if it didn't contact that Arizona player's stick !!!!

It doesn't matter if it hits the Arizona players stick, what matters is who has possession next after the puck is directed by the hand.

In this case, conclusively, the puck goes from Rielly's hand down to the ice and the next player to have possession is a Maple Leaf.

I don't think that was Rielly's intent, but what unfolded in that situation is definitely a hand pass, though, as I said, I don't think it was intended to be.

 

[stealth1]

Well he is mostly right, the Leafs arent going to beat anyone unless their elite players show up. It's also not a particularly nice message to the roster after the first 3-4 players. If they're indistinguishable from arguably the worst team in the league, you have to wonder about how well built the Leafs actually are

While their elite talent needs to show up, it would also help if they out worked the other team once in a while. For all the talent they have they rarely work hard

The truth is spoken here. Terrible game for sure, but so many posters treat every game, every period as a referendum, which as pointed out, makes them miserable, and their posting miserable.

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Maybe if they actually out worked the Coyotes then more people would be ok with it. When you show up to play with 10 minutes left you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[leafsfan5]

It’s not even about winning or losing. Yes, we all want to see them win but you can’t win every regular season game even against ass opponents like Arizona.

It’s the lack of growth that’s infuriating. They keep spewing BS about how they’re different this year and how much they believe in themselves and not even 5 games in they’ve already managed to show multiple times they’re the exact same shit as years past. If they played hard consistently for 60 mins every night, win or lose, it would be a positive. But they don’t.

This is why when people say "it's just game 4 of 82" I disagree. Sure in some sense it's just one game, but this result shows their complacent attitude and how it hasn't changed

This was the exact same attitude as in game 4 against TBL. They were complacent and felt they didn't need to work. "We're good enough to coast" and "we already won game 3" are so similar.

No amount of defeats will change them, they know there's no accountability

 

[Stephen]

It doesn't matter if it hits the Arizona players stick, what matters is who has possession next after the puck is directed by the hand.

In this case, conclusively, the puck goes from Rielly's hand down to the ice and the next player to have possession is a Maple Leaf.

I don't think that was Rielly's intent, but what unfolded in that situation is definitely a hand pass, though, as I said, I don't think it was intended to be.

What’s weird to me about the situation room review is why don’t they comment on other mistakes that are made in other games? If there’s an eye in the sky, why are some plays reviewable and not others? Just comes across as arbitrary process.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

This is why when people say "it's just game 4 of 82" I disagree. Sure in some sense it's just one game, but this result shows their complacent attitude and how it hasn't changed

This was the exact same attitude as in game 4 against TBL. They were complacent and felt they didn't need to work. "We're good enough to coast" and "we already won game 3" are so similar. Nothing has changed, this team is what it is

And unfortunately it's not going to be fixed. They all talked about their tendency to play down to their opponents going into this game and just did it anyway. They just learned their lesson as recently as 6 days ago against montreal and didn't do anything differently for this game. This is who they are. It probably doesn't help to have Keefe go on about how great they are without deserving it

 

[ACC1224]

The truth is spoken here. Terrible game for sure, but so many posters treat every game, every period as a referendum, which as pointed out, makes them miserable, and their posting miserable.

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No idea why this guy is seen as some type of authority, he rarely seems to have a clue about how the game is played. (The actual game, not the expected game.)

 

[egd27]

There was a tweet out yesterday that said the Leafs didn't have an at home reg win against the Coyotes in 20 years.

Instead of taking a "this stops now" attitude, they put their 3rd string goalie in net, manage a whopping 5 shots in the first period, and don't register a shot in their first FOUR powerplays.

But thank goodness we can blame the war room for a bad call, because otherwise we would have won in OT

 

[rocketman588]

Keefe must be scared shitless. And not just about getting fired.

When Babcock was fired, the media turned him into literal Hitler overnight. He shared a millionaires "work-ethic" list with another millionaire. Oh, the horror. He (get this) YELLED at one of the millionaire athletes he coaches. He YELLED at them.

THE MONSTER!!!!!

What's the media going to do with Keefe? I mean... it's not like he has a "clean" legacy as a young player...

Dubas and co leaked a bunch of shit that made him out to be Hitler to justify it.

He's not going to do that to his boy

 

[leafsfan5]

And unfortunately it's not going to be fixed. They all talked about their tendency to play down to their opponents going into this game and just did it anyway. They just learned their lesson as recently as 6 days ago against montreal and didn't do anything differently for this game. This is who they are. It probably doesn't help to have Keefe go on about how great they are without deserving it

This was the funny part, he always says some dumb stuff that allows the cycle to continue

After game 4 it was "well we did what we wanted" and last night it was "we have elite talent and they don't"

Keep patting ourselves on the back, it works so well!

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Remember that Tampa series after game 1 when Cooper disrespected the Leafs. Everyone was upset over that. It’s the same here. Keefe didn’t lie about what he said.

No it’s not. You can say things like that when you are back to back champs. What have the Leafs accomplished that allows them to talk smack about any team in this league? Even Arizona has won more playoff series than we have post lockout. Then again any number greater than 0 wins beats us.

 

[Fogelhund]

No idea why this guy is seen as some type of authority, he rarely seems to have a clue about how the game is played. (The actual game, not the expected game.)

...and yet he makes a good point here. Who it came from is irrelevant.

 

[justashadowof]

First that self-own about the handshake line respect now this double-edged beauty. He managed to publicly undermine his own meal tickets while slagging the other team.

 

[stealth1]

...and yet he makes a good point here. Who it came from is irrelevant.

It's not that they lost, it's how they lost. If they out worked the Coyotes and lost most fans would be ok with it. It's the fact they didn't show up til the 3rd period is the problem. It's more of the same from the last few years, they rely on their talent and have no idea how to out work anyone.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

...and yet he makes a good point here. Who it came from is irrelevant.

And why does this matter? Do our posts dictate whether they show up or not?

 

[leafsfan5]

...and yet he makes a good point here. Who it came from is irrelevant.

But he really doesn't. Not all losses are a referendum, but this one is a good game to take stock of

They talked about not showing up against worse teams in pre-game, they acknowledged it's an issue. Then they went ahead and did exactly that. They showed the complacency that has plagued this team for years on end.

This isn't just game 4 of 82, this is year 4-5 of the same problems

 

[Fogelhund]

And why does this matter? Do our posts dictate whether they show up or not?

The point seems to be missed. Many fans treat every period, and every game as some type referendum on the players, coaching, Dubas..... The reactions border on hysterical. It's a mix of comedy, and tiresome. The over reactions of everything that happens here, under a giant microscope is incredible. Rational discussion doesn't need to include constant over reactions to minutia, and surely it's made some of these posters miserable.

 

[AvroArrow]

What a stupid thing to say. This team with no elite players just beat your team, you hack.

Yeah reminds of me of Cooper from last playoffs, just a garbage comment to make as a coach. Keefe is also to blame, he doesn't get a free pass. He needs to understand it's his job to keep the team motivated, prepared and ready to show up on time. It's not just "elite players weren't good enough" you didn't prepare your team well enough and as an entire team you failed to execute whatever the game plan was.

This is the NHL, we can poke fun at teams and what not but these guys are the best hockey players in the world and every team should be respected. When they're not, shit like that happens. Also feel like Keefe is throwing the players under the bus. Sure they could have been better, but so could you.

 

[ULF_55]

I think most fans accept losses, but few accept lack of effort.

Skating around isn't the same as playing smart hard.

 

[Stephen]

The point seems to be missed. Many fans treat every period, and every game as some type referendum on the players, coaching, Dubas..... The reactions border on hysterical. It's a mix of comedy, and tiresome. The over reactions of everything that happens here, under a giant microscope is incredible. Rational discussion doesn't need to include constant over reactions to minutia, and surely it's made some of these posters miserable.

Kyle Dubas said it best himself when he wants to be judged on his whole body of work. And these dead head periods and losses to bottom feeders are a feature, not a bug.

 

[stickty111]

I'm still a bit rattled over yesterday but I need to remember it's an 82 game season. Arizona gives us trouble at home and thats before this core. It happens.
Honestly if I'm going to get angry after every loss well than thats not good for me. I need to relax.