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You can't make that trade now then. Kerfoot needs to be displaced by this cheaper, hopefully breakout ELC internal player first. What if Knies can't handle it yet? We freed up 3 mil just to throw darts again, when Kerfoot was at least guaranteed to be good enough for depth. If you want to throw darts use the options you're not high on (not as high on as kerfoot).
Hard to make a deadline deal with deadline accrued cap space in the 1st week of October.

Moving Kerfoot leaves us with a healthy 21 man roster with 1.2 in capspace. Lets us call up a spare forward at will to avoid frivolous LTIR use. if we keep 1m of it intact that's a big deadline add.
 
Hard to make a deadline deal with deadline accrued cap space in the 1st week of October.

Moving Kerfoot leaves us with a healthy 21 man roster with 1.2 in capspace. Lets us call up a spare forward at will to avoid frivolous LTIR use. if we keep 1m of it intact that's a big deadline add.
I just don't see why you're doing this besides sacrificing Kerfoot for "what if" scenarios. If that's what you want Kerfoot is not the first off the board to sacrifice. He's our most useful depth player even though he falls in vanilla category. What you're proposing just doesn't make any sense for Kerfoot. You only move Kerfoot when you know for sure you're getting a net positive. If you don't know for sure what's going to happen or how your callups will perform over the long haul but insist on this strategy, like I said, Kerfoot is not first off the board. I actually don't mind what you're saying, we just don't agree on who to sacrifice for it.
 
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Serious question: what existing Leafs' forward or prospect has the attributes to take over Kerfoot's current role with the team? Jarnkrok? Maybe. Holmberg? Not this season, I'd think. It's preferable to keep Kerfoot rather than leave that hole open.
 
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I just don't see why you're doing this besides sacrificing Kerfoot for "what if" scenarios. If that's what you want Kerfoot is not the first off the board to sacrifice. He's our most useful depth player even though he falls in vanilla category. What you're proposing just doesn't make any sense for Kerfoot. You only move Kerfoot when you know for sure you're getting a net positive. If you don't know for sure what's going to happen or how your callups will perform over the long haul but insist on this strategy, like I said, Kerfoot is not first off the board. I actually don't mind what you're saying, we just don't agree on who to sacrifice for it.
Someone has to go to be cap compliant when healthy and he's the highest leverage piece
Engvall out -> ZAR in = compliant 21 man roster, no room for a spare, next to no accrual
Holl out -> no one in = compliant 20 man roster, 720k in cap space to accrue for spot spare use, potentially some accrual (but unlikely)
Kerfoot out -> ZAR in = compliant 21 man roster, room for a call up F when needed, able to accrue deadlines space

Is Kerfoot better enough than Engvall to justify that tradeoff? Is he so good that he's worth essentially guaranteeing Benn/Mete see ~40 games, and that we *need* to add a solid depth defender?
 
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He's been good enough this preseason to earn a spot, imo.
For another team, yes. At least he got a chance here to show the league he's useful.

You will need to sweat and put in work why Malgin is the choice over some of these other Leafs. It's not as simple as just saying he performed well. Roster spots are limited, team composition etc.
 
Serious question: what existing Leafs' forward or prospect has the attributes to take over Kerfoot's current role with the team? Jarnkrok? Maybe. Holmberg? Not this season, I'd think. It's preferable to keep Kerfoot rather than leave that hole open.
Depends on the role
PK- Marner/Kampf/Jarncrok/Engvall/ZAR/NAK
3C- Jarncrok/Engvall/Kampf
3LW- Engvall

The only real question is injury fill in for the top 6.
 
Depends on the role
PK- Marner/Kampf/Jarncrok/Engvall/ZAR/NAK
3C- Jarncrok/Engvall/Kampf
3LW- Engvall

The only real question is injury fill in for the top 6.
That's the big one, it's a long season.
 
Is Kerfoot better enough than Engvall to justify that tradeoff? Is he so good that he's worth essentially guaranteeing Benn/Mete see ~40 games, and that we *need* to add a solid depth defender?
Kerfoot is better enough than Engvall, yes. Better skater, smarter, better play maker, better pker. Especially better if he can finally put together a 20 goal season to go with his assists, or scaled to the equivalent bottom 6 numbers if Robertson pushes him down. He will be at the average age of cup winning teams as well, 28, next season. So if this is the best year of his career, you want it to happen as a Leaf unless you have a better option coming in, an ELC breakout(s) is too good to bench, or a return value that would be stupid to refuse in a trade.

Every season we cry about not having these playoff breakout players to help the core so I'm not trading Kerfoot to bank on one of the worst playoff performers of the last 2 seasons, league wide, in Engvall.

Kerfoot smokes Engvalls PK% ice time share, their placing on the PK depth chart isn't even close. Engvall is one of our most over rated pkers we have. He's only top 4 for forwards right now because Mik is gone. The PK runs through kampf marner and kerfoot as far as forwards go and NAK can easily take Engvalls spot.

The rest of the cap stuff Dubas will figure out. That might seem like a cop out answer but objectively speaking he does always get us cap compliant. Will he make the right move and not sacrifice Kerfoot just for paper reasons? Remains to be seen. There's a lot of "what if" keeping Kerfoot and not keeping Kerfoot so focusing on Benn and Mete right now as factors to let Kerfoot go doesn't make sense to me.

I can be on board a trade Kerfoot train, it's just not time to entertain that idea yet.
 
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Serious question: what existing Leafs' forward or prospect has the attributes to take over Kerfoot's current role with the team? Jarnkrok? Maybe. Holmberg? Not this season, I'd think. It's preferable to keep Kerfoot rather than leave that hole open.

Nothing is for sure but it's plausible that a guy like Holmberg could be a more reliable defensive presence than Kerf at C, and that guys like Robertson/Malgin might be more dangerous offensively than Kerf on the W.
 
Him and Robertson have easily been the best two of the bubble guys.

I think Robertson has played his way on the team, but the thing that will screw him is him being able to pass through waivers. I don’t see how he doesn’t go down especially if they want to sign ZAR. I hope it isn’t the case, but that seems to be how this organization operates. Very methodical (which isn’t a bad thing). I hope they just decide he’s good enough to risk losing Malgin, Anderson, Clifford or Simmonds on waivers
 
The problem with keeping Robertson up and losing someone on waivers is that it's overwhelmingly likely Robertson ends up missing time at some point this season. I don't think it's realistic to expect 75+ games + playoffs from the kid right now, even if he doesn't get injured he's going to be completely gassed by the end of the year with how much energy he spends every game.

If you keep Robertson up, you have to find a way to package some spare parts into futures we can use at the deadline once we see how him and Knies are doing.
 
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NAK can easily take Engvalls spot.
Keefe did suggest he sees NAK as equivalent to Mik with respects to the non-offensive qualities so it's possible Engvall remains 5th for PK forwards.

6th if Nylander becomes a regular :sarcasm:
 
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It's pretty great that we have young guys pushing at every position

Holmberg
Robertson
Kral

Knies later this year

It's clear we can probably move on from a forward. Get the highest pick you can and use for currency later?
 
And in the end ……………………… Abbey road

MB AM MM
MK Kerf Willy
Robbie JT
Steeves
Kyper pretty much echoed the same sentiments this morning. A left side of 58, 89, 47 in the playoffs ?? Timeout.

Truth is we have not been able to find the right #2LW. Foligno and Ritchie were not it. Knies might be but not sure how long it will take him to be that guy.
i love our choices , what a job management has done with so little funds to do it with , kudos to Dubas and staff , sure beats the days of only Peanut butter packets and saltines in the cupboards
GLG
 
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I don't think you can write off Malgin on October 4th because you don't think he's the right guy for the playoffs.

He's been good enough this preseason to earn a spot, imo.
Let him go to the Shabs , he will fit right in and be one of the larger players ha ha , in all due respect , lets move on from this type of player , we have plenty of scoring and truth be told , we are going to play the shhhhhh It out of the big dudes this year , let’s continue to get bigger younger and stronger and faster and hungrier in our bottom 6
Enough is enough with this Smurf like player
I like him but come on already
GLG
 
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Get rid of Simmons, Clifford, Holl

Bring in Robertson, Steeves, Malgin, ZAR

Cut Guadette. Holmberg / Abruzzese to Marlies
 
After the prospect tournament I didn’t like Robertson’s game. I felt he should have dominated in that tournament but he didn’t. In fact he showed some concerning decisions that led to giveaways.

He certainly had changed my opinion in main camp. He has shown to be more physically resilient in the corners, capitalizing on chances, but the biggest improvements are his hustle on the back check, taking a hit to make a play. That assist on Nylander second goal was an eye opener. He went into the corner, absorbed physical contact and finessed the puck out through a mass of legs and layed a perfect pass to Nylander. All under pressure. He’s not a one trick pony anymore.

His shot is probably top 2 on the team and if he has worked out the rest of his game it will be a shame to see him sent down due to waiver exemption.
 
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We are at a point where you start the best roster possible and don't get cute with all this paper stuff. If we have to lose guys via waivers we can easily replace next off season, so be it.

Bring the damn cup home.

I can't shake what Tampas GM said right before winning the cup about being at a point where you have to maximize wins, not value.
 
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Xerk off needs to meet Simmonds.
the guy plays right on the edge all the time and according to hockeydb he racked up 265 PIMs in 161 OHL games, I like him and wished the Leafs had that weapon in their arsenal. I don't see him as necessarily dirty, but just a big guy who can skate a little, keeps his head, has zero fear and a whole lot of malice.

The guy that Simmonds needs to blow up is Brady Tkachuk! Everyone knows I like hitting in the game, playing physical and leaning on the opposition is an effective tool that can help you win hockey games. You should also know that I hate the cheap stuff, and the intent to injure stuff. I don't know what it is, but the league doesn't seem to want to call the obvious charges he commits 2 or 3 times per game. If the league wont do it than somebody needs to put a stop to it! Somebody needs to introduce him to his own game.

A charging penalty is called when a player takes more than two strides or travels an excessive distance in order to accelerate for the purpose of body checking another player. A player has to be seen deliberately accelerating to hit another player, potentially injuring them for charging to be called.
 
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