GDT: Leafs @ Habs - 7pm

[ToneDog]

Absolutely agree with Gritty young bottom 6 “ that can score “ is what we need


Awesome brotha awesome !
Exactly !
Go Leafs Go !

So where does one find these players ?? We got Engvall, Kampf, Malgin, ZAR, Kubel, Gaudette, Robertson, Cliffy, Simmonds. Be prepared to be disappointed if the big dogs can't get it done once again.

 

[kb]

So where does one find these players ?? We got Engvall, Kampf, Malgin, ZAR, Kubel, Gaudette, Robertson, Cliffy, Simmonds. Be prepared to be disappointed if the big dogs can't get it done once again.

They didn't lose because of a lack of grit. They lost because they played gritty players who couldn't score or defend on the 4th line, and the 3rd line scoring dried up.

 

[zeke]

They didn't lose because of a lack of grit. They lost because they played gritty players who couldn't score or defend on the 4th line, and the 3rd line scoring dried up.

they lost mostly due to the refs.

but yeah, if there was one weakness in the series it was probably the defensive play of the 3rd and 4th lines. the bolts bottom 6 scored a silly amount of goals.

 

[kb]

Absolutely agree with Gritty young bottom 6 “ that can score “ is what we need

Ideally, but they are rather rare. The team needs players that can provide secondary scoring - gritty or not. As long as they are tenacious and do not back down between the whistles.

they lost mostly due to the refs.

but yeah, if there was one weakness in the series it was probably the defensive play of the 3rd and 4th lines. the bolts bottom 6 scored a silly amount of goals.

I didn't want to go there, but suddenly the Leafs were the most penalized team in the playoffs after being the least penalized in the regular season.

Yup.....the 4th line was a disaster in every respect.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You have to play the asset management angle. Has Robertson been better? Yes. Has he been way better? No, but he has been better. Do Malgin and Nylander have chemistry? It appears so.

In this instance I think it is better to have both in the organization. Because Robertson is starting to accumulate an injury history for a player so young player, he'll need to prove he can stay healthy in the pros for an extended period. He's only been healthy for 75 games over the past 2 seasons.

If they waive Malgin, and Robertson gets hurt (or underperforms), the Leafs are going to be on the market for what they just got rid of.

I think for those reasons, the Leafs need to keep Malgin at least to start the season - IMO.

You have to put the best team on the ice, is Robertson better than Malgin? If he is and it certainly looks like he is then he plays above Malgin

It's that simple

 

[TheRumble]

The odd obsession this forum has with Malgin is due to the fact that the guy we ended up trading away from him was Mason Marchement who is a gritty role player who care score since there is a perception that gritty grinders who score perform better during the playoffs.

But gritty guys who care score don't necessarily perform any better during the playoffs, you just like their game more: Todd Bertuzzi, Matthew Tkachuk, Zack Hyman until last year, Mason Marchement himself the last two years are examples.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Malgin and Robertson both deserve to be on the team.

Move Engvall to make it work. Malgin is younger and cheaper than Engvall. Puts us under the cap too.

 

[Stephen]

The odd obsession this forum has with Malgin is due to the fact that the guy we ended up trading away from him was Mason Marchement who is a gritty role player who care score since there is a perception that gritty grinders who score perform better during the playoffs.

But gritty guys who care score don't necessarily perform any better during the playoffs, you just like their game more: Todd Bertuzzi, Matthew Tkachuk, Zack Hyman until last year, Mason Marchement himself the last two years are examples.

For me, the grit problem is a little bit more complex.

Earlier in the development curve of the this core group, we needed grit to support our skill because it didn't seem like they were able to translate their high skill games in the physically intimidating environments late in a playoff series. You bring in size, grit, battle at the bottom of the lineup, the hope is they could help create an environment where the kids could feel confident playing their game. Basically bringing babysitters into a playoff matchup.

Later on, we discovered that the particular mix of gritty customers didn't do this, since we had to get these guys on cheaper deals and were often past prime. We also can't have a separation between skill guys and grit guys, since successful teams basically need a team concept buy in from everyone, involving a fair share of grit and battle from everyone in their own way.

 

[zeke]

The odd obsession this forum has with Malgin is due to the fact that the guy we ended up trading away from him was Mason Marchement who is a gritty role player who care score since there is a perception that gritty grinders who score perform better during the playoffs.

But gritty guys who care score don't necessarily perform any better during the playoffs, you just like their game more: Todd Bertuzzi, Matthew Tkachuk, Zack Hyman until last year, Mason Marchement himself the last two years are examples.

I gotta say Malgin was not even an afterthought for me coming into camp. Wouldn't have ever thought he had a chance in he'll of cracking the team. I had him well below guys like Gaudtte and Anderson and pretty much everyone.

But he's impressed pure and simple.

I still don't actually believe in him but he's given me second thoughts about exposing him to waivers if we don't have to.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

The odd obsession this forum has with Malgin is due to the fact that the guy we ended up trading away from him was Mason Marchement who is a gritty role player who care score since there is a perception that gritty grinders who score perform better during the playoffs.

But gritty guys who care score don't necessarily perform any better during the playoffs, you just like their game more: Todd Bertuzzi, Matthew Tkachuk, Zack Hyman until last year, Mason Marchement himself the last two years are examples.

You are the one plus one or two others obsessed with malgin and the trade and need him to succeed if he even ties his shoe masterfully you'll be sure to update us. Rest of us are watching everyone including malgin who yes play well but still didn't separate himself (Robertson and kerfoot top 6, a few guys look good for bottom 6)

How weak do you think team is that Malgin is a shoe in? The remaining touches are very specific that we need, we don't suck that anyone who looks like they can play hockey gets to automatically come play.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

You are the one plus one or two others obsessed with malgin and the trade and need him to succeed if he even ties his shoe masterfully you'll be sure to update us. Rest of us are watching everyone including malgin who yes play well but still didn't separate himself (Robertson and kerfoot top 6, a few guys look good for bottom 6)

How weak do you think team is that Malgin is a shoe in? The remaining touches are very specific that we need, we don't suck that anyone who looks like they can play hockey gets to automatically come play.

Ignore the trade, and don't get too far ahead with playoff rosters - with those things eliminated, do you not think he's been the best or 2nd best bubble guy at camp?

I have them:

1. Robertson
2. Malgin
3. Holmberg
4. Steeves
5. Gaudette
6. Anderson
7. Douglas

It doesn't hurt that he seems to have good chemistry with Willy.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Malgin has very easily been at least the 2nd best bubble guy in camp, and the best waiver eligible bubble guy.

It's funny how this board was on fire when Brooks of all people was waived, and yet many of those same people don't seem to care if Malgin (who has looked much better than Brooks ever did) is waived and lost.

It's almost like some people have a specific desire to see him fail to maintain their bad narrative about the trade.

 

[ACC1224]

Ignore the trade, and don't get too far ahead with playoff rosters - with those things eliminated, do you not think he's been the best or 2nd best bubble guy at camp?

I have them:

1. Robertson
2. Malgin
3. Holmberg
4. Steeves
5. Gaudette
6. Anderson
7. Douglas

It doesn't hurt that he seems to have good chemistry with Willy.

That's pretty much it for me. Seems to be a pretty good drop off from Steeves to Gaudette, which I find surprising.

 

[TheRumble]

You are the one plus one or two others obsessed with malgin and the trade and need him to succeed if he even ties his shoe masterfully you'll be sure to update us. Rest of us are watching everyone including malgin who yes play well but still didn't separate himself (Robertson and kerfoot top 6, a few guys look good for bottom 6)

How weak do you think team is that Malgin is a shoe in? The remaining touches are very specific that we need, we don't suck that anyone who looks like they can play hockey gets to automatically come play.

Nah. I forgot he was ever on the team until I started posting here. There was just a thread where everyone randomly started to harp on Malgin who was in Switzerland at the time and then I did some digging and found out he was the return in the Mason Marchement trade and it made sense why he's become a whipping boy on this forum.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So where does one find these players ?? We got Engvall, Kampf, Malgin, ZAR, Kubel, Gaudette, Robertson, Cliffy, Simmonds. Be prepared to be disappointed if the big dogs can't get it done once again.

on the trade market at literally every deadline here are a few examples

Hagel
Paul
Goodraw
Coleman
Lehkonen


just to name a few Conor Brown fits that mold too and he could be a deadline rental if Washington struggles and they have aome Key injury issues so they might.

Craig Smith in Boston would be a good addition if Boston struggles

the question of wheee to find these players is rather ridiclous because they are on the market literally every year.

 

[ToneDog]

on the trade market at literally every deadline here are a few examples

Hagel
Paul
Goodraw
Coleman
Lehkonen


just to name a few Conor Brown fits that mold too and he could be a deadline rental if Washington struggles and they have aome Key injury issues so they might.

Craig Smith in Boston would be a good addition if Boston struggles

the question of wheee to find these players is rather ridiclous because they are on the market literally every year.

Yup that is why we have so many of them. Even so you are not wrong but how many can you acquire at the deadline and are you willing to give up another first and a pick or two for teams to retain ??

The better/correct answer is you draft and develop them which we have failed miserably.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Yup that is why we have so many of them. Even so you are not wrong but how many can you acquire at the deadline and are you willing to give up another first and a pick or two for teams to retain ??

The better/correct answer is you draft and develop them which we have failed miserably.

that depends on the player, like I don't think Caig Smith would get a 1st retained or not.

But yes I would because we aren't in a development year this team just finished with 115 points, 4th overall they are in full on win now mode beyond that the Leafs have been able to find players in the 2nd round and beyond, or at leaast it seems that way the way Robertson looks now, and with the current projection of Matthew Knies as well as Topi Niemla on the backend so I'm not as concerned with moving 1sts.

Ideally In think you targwt 2 of them

 

[Fogelhund]

that depends on the player, like I don't think Caig Smith would get a 1st retained or not.

But yes I would because we aren't in a development year this team just finished with 115 points, 4th overall they are in full on win now mode beyond that the Leafs have been able to find players in the 2nd round and beyond, or at leaast it seems that way the way Robertson looks now, and with the current projection of Matthew Knies as well as Topi Niemla on the backend so I'm not as concerned with moving 1sts.

Ideally In think you targwt 2 of them

It really depends on how this team performs, and what these guys bring to the table. It very well could end up being we need to upgrade in net. We could have Leafs need a goalie thread.

Or it could be D, or F... or not at all.

 

[aingefan]

Yup that is why we have so many of them. Even so you are not wrong but how many can you acquire at the deadline and are you willing to give up another first and a pick or two for teams to retain ??

The better/correct answer is you draft and develop them which we have failed miserably.

Strange timing for that comment as drafted/signed/developed players are starting to push more assertively for spots.

NickRob very close; Steeves right there; Pontus right there; Kral looking like he’d hold up if needed. More coming internally at the end of this year.

I think the internal competition are the adds unless a knee or shoulder explodes somewhere.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It really depends on how this team performs, and what these guys bring to the table. It very well could end up being we need to upgrade in net. We could have Leafs need a goalie thread.

Or it could be D, or F... or not at all.

I kind of expect it to be a goalie, I hope I'm wrong, I hope Murray and Samsonov are great but I'd be lying if I said I trusted Murray's health

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Strange timing for that comment as drafted/signed/developed players are starting to push more assertively for spots.

NickRob very close; Steeves right there; Pontus right there; Kral looking like he’d hold up if needed. More coming internally at the end of this year.

I think the internal competition are the adds unless a knee or shoulder explodes somewhere.

Dubas is in the final year of his deal he's going to add at the deadline because he has to

 

[Fogelhund]

I kind of expect it to be a goalie, I hope I'm wrong, I hope Murray and Samsonov are great but I'd be lying if I said I trusted Murray's health

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked at all, if either Petruzelli, or Woll end up stealing ice time for the Leafs, and are on the roster going into the playoffs. I think both have more potential than we've given them credit for so far. Both are big goalies, and just reaching that age, where they really come into their own... if only Woll could get, and stay healthy.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Dubas is in the final year of his deal he's going to add at the deadline because he has to

he hasn't made any moves so far that would indicate he's going "all in" this year to save his job.

If anything he's been prioritizing short term deals to set the team up well cap wise for the big re-signings coming up in the future

 

[Nineteen67]

Absolutely agree with Gritty young bottom 6 “ that can score “ is what we need


Awesome brotha awesome !
Exactly !
Go Leafs Go !

It’s equally, or more important, to have ”grit“ in your top 6. That‘s ended up being the difference every year, including last year, when they only had a couple of passengers.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked at all, if either Petruzelli, or Woll end up stealing ice time for the Leafs, and are on the roster going into the playoffs. I think both have more potential than we've given them credit for so far. Both are big goalies, and just reaching that age, where they really come into their own... if only Woll could get, and stay healthy.

problem with that idea is Kallgren is pretty clearly #3 at this point