GDT: Leafs @ Habs - 7pm

[ACC1224]

problem with that idea is Kallgren is pretty clearly #3 at this point

No reason why that can't change and I would expect it to. Kallgren isn't very good.

 

[Fogelhund]

problem with that idea is Kallgren is pretty clearly #3 at this point

At this point.

 

[francis246]

The problem with keeping Robertson up and losing someone on waivers is that it's overwhelmingly likely Robertson ends up missing time at some point this season. I don't think it's realistic to expect 75+ games + playoffs from the kid right now, even if he doesn't get injured he's going to be completely gassed by the end of the year with how much energy he spends every game.

If you keep Robertson up, you have to find a way to package some spare parts into futures we can use at the deadline once we see how him and Knies are doing.

Lol these guys are in the absolute best shapes of their lives. I don’t get why people on HF boards always use this argument. There is no factual evidence behind it at all, it’s just opinion. There is no reason to suggest Robertson can’t play 82. He had a couple freak accidents, that can happen to anyone.

 

[francis246]

After the prospect tournament I didn’t like Robertson’s game. I felt he should have dominated in that tournament but he didn’t. In fact he showed some concerning decisions that led to giveaways.

He certainly had changed my opinion in main camp. He has shown to be more physically resilient in the corners, capitalizing on chances, but the biggest improvements are his hustle on the back check, taking a hit to make a play. That assist on Nylander second goal was an eye opener. He went into the corner, absorbed physical contact and finessed the puck out through a mass of legs and layed a perfect pass to Nylander. All under pressure. He’s not a one trick pony anymore.

His shot is probably top 2 on the team and if he has worked out the rest of his game it will be a shame to see him sent down due to waiver exemption.

Him playing at the prospects tournament was just a dumb organizational decision. What good comes out of it for Robertson? If he does amazing, people would be expecting that. If he does poorly now people shit on him. Made no sense to put that kind of pressure on him. You can tell it affected his performance at the prospect tournament. He was trying to do too much to prove he’s the best out of the bunch.

Glad to see he’s really relaxed at Leafs camp and is just playing. Honestly he should make the team over Gaudette and Malgin.

 

[aingefan]

Dubas is in the final year of his deal he's going to add at the deadline because he has to

I was responding to the poster who suggested it was better to draft and develop this kind of player rather than constantly out at the deadline, which appears to be happening.
I think if there is an identified need or injury, additions are possible. But I don’t think the motivation will be job preservation. Just rounding out an already strong team.

 

[ACC1224]

Lol these guys are in the absolute best shapes of their lives. I don’t get why people on HF boards always use this argument. There is no factual evidence behind it at all, it’s just opinion. There is no reason to suggest Robertson can’t play 82. He had a couple freak accidents, that can happen to anyone.

IMO, it would be the mental aspect of it more so than the physical.
I imagine that's different for everyone and he'll have to learn to tough it out at some point.

 

[ToneDog]

Strange timing for that comment as drafted/signed/developed players are starting to push more assertively for spots.

NickRob very close; Steeves right there; Pontus right there; Kral looking like he’d hold up if needed. More coming internally at the end of this year.

I think the internal competition are the adds unless a knee or shoulder explodes somewhere.

The discussion was about bottom 6 (I believe 6') gritty players that can score, since some think that is one reason we lost to Tampa, like the Hagels, Pauls, Goodrows, Colemans, etc. Knies is our best candidate (hopefully top 6 though), but he is probably at least a year away.

As it stands Engvall is currently the only bottom 6 player we have drafted and has yet to prove he is that type of player.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Lol these guys are in the absolute best shapes of their lives. I don’t get why people on HF boards always use this argument. There is no factual evidence behind it at all, it’s just opinion. There is no reason to suggest Robertson can’t play 82. He had a couple freak accidents, that can happen to anyone.

I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest Robertson is at a higher risk of injury due to his size and how hard he plays. He's not an incredibly shifty player like Marner that easily evades hits.

 

[francis246]

I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest Robertson is at a higher risk of injury due to his size and how hard he plays. He's not an incredibly shifty player like Marner that easily evades hits.

Matthews is 6’4 and has suffered quite a few injuries himself. It’s pro sports, size doesn’t really matter when it comes to injury. Just about anyone can get injured. So to suggest Robertson has a higher risk than Matthews or Holl for example isn’t factually true.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Lol these guys are in the absolute best shapes of their lives. I don’t get why people on HF boards always use this argument. There is no factual evidence behind it at all, it’s just opinion. There is no reason to suggest Robertson can’t play 82. He had a couple freak accidents, that can happen to anyone.

He's played 65 pro games total since being drafted. I'm not saying he can't play a full 82 but the odds are he doesn't, especially with his balls to the wall style.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Matthews is 6’4 and has suffered quite a few injuries himself. It’s pro sports, size doesn’t really matter when it comes to injury. Just about anyone can get injured. So to suggest Robertson has a higher risk than Matthews or Holl for example isn’t factually true.

Matthews has shown a propensity to pick up injuries as well. Size isn't the only factor of course. You seemed to gloss over the "how hard he plays" part. He throws himself into hits recklessly at times, combined with his size it's going to make him more susceptible to injuries than a guy like Nylander, who has more years building up strength and plays a more elegant game.

 

[Martin Skoula]

The discussion was about bottom 6 (I believe 6') gritty players that can score, since some think that is one reason we lost to Tampa, like the Hagels, Pauls, Goodrows, Colemans, etc. Knies is our best candidate (hopefully top 6 though), but he is probably at least a year away.

As it stands Engvall is currently the only bottom 6 player we have drafted and has yet to prove he is that type of player.

Tampa didn't draft a single one of those guys though. Signing Perry for league min and trading for Paul is a more efficient way of getting those guys than drafting 5 Biggs types and hoping one of them hits. Paul, Goodrow, Coleman also took almost a decade post-draft before they hit their prime as playoff performers.

Don't get me wrong we should draft more Jeannot/Greenway types but we would have needed to draft them in 2016-17 for them to just start making impacts in this run or last. Why spend a 1st drafting Gauthier to maybe be a Nick Paul one day 6 years later when you can just get a prime Nick Paul for a 3rd?

 

[francis246]

Matthews has shown a propensity to pick up injuries as well. Size isn't the only factor of course. You seemed to gloss over the "how hard he plays" part. He throws himself into hits recklessly at times, combined with his size it's going to make him more susceptible to injuries than a guy like Nylander, who has more years building up strength and plays a more elegant game.

Pretending every player has the same chance of getting hurt just seems bizarre to me but ymmv.

Every player literally does have the same chance to get hurt. There is no evidence to suggest that playing a certain style equates to higher risk of getting injured. In pro sports anything you do can result in injury.

Again like I said, you’re making that assumption based on your opinion but it’s not a fact. There are lots of high energy guys who play the game and are fine. Robertsons leg injury he wasn’t even being reckless. It was a board battle and a guy came in and hit him and he fell and bent his leg backwards. Again a freak accident that can happen to anyone.

He's played 65 pro games total since being drafted. I'm not saying he can't play a full 82 but the odds are he doesn't, especially with his balls to the wall style.

Covid and injuries both affected that number of games played, but I see where you’re coming from. I just disagree, I think he’s had some bad luck, not necessarily injury prone

 

[Martin Skoula]

Every player literally does have the same chance to get hurt. There is no evidence to suggest that playing a certain style equates to higher risk of getting injured. In pro sports anything you do can result in injury.

Again like I said, you’re making that assumption based on your opinion but it’s not a fact. There are lots of high energy guys who play the game and are fine. Robertsons leg injury he wasn’t even being reckless. It was a board battle and a guy came in and hit him and he fell and bent his leg backwards. Again a freak accident that can happen to anyone.



Covid and injuries both affected that number of games played, but I see where you’re coming from. I just disagree, I think he’s had some bad luck, not necessarily injury prone

It's not just the injury prone part but the stamina element of it too, he's never played a long season at the pro level yet. I remember Connor Brown struggled after the deadline in his rookie year and looked absolutely gassed by the time playoffs rolled around. And he had a less choppy skating stride and a good 15 pounds on Robertson to absorb a full season worth of fighting big NHL D on the boards. We have the depth to manage Robertson's minutes and maximize his development while keeping him fresh for the playoffs, it's not a bad thing or an insult to the kid.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Every player literally does have the same chance to get hurt.

Sure Jake Muzzin has the same chance to get hurt as TJ Brodie. I think we'll just agree to disagree.

 

[francis246]

Sure Jake Muzzin has the same chance to get hurt as TJ Brodie. I think we'll just agree to disagree.

Yes… they literally do…. Assuming both are at 100%. If you run the exact same drill for example. Board battle in the corner. The injury percentage for both players is literally the same. The potential for injury is the same.

The only time that percentage changes is if one player does that drill with a pre existing injury. Or has a current chronic injury.

 

[ULF_55]

I'd rather have Kerfoot than 2 bubble players.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Yes… they literally do…. Assuming both are at 100%. If you run the exact same drill for example. Board battle in the corner. The injury percentage for both players is literally the same. The potential for injury is the same.

The only time that percentage changes is if one player does that drill with a pre existing injury

Why do you keep focusing on one specific board battle? Staying healthy is a 24/7 job. Sometimes players don't recover properly and pick up muscle injuries. Sometimes they have recurring concussion issues.

Muzzin misses time every year. Brodie never misses any significant time. It's a lot more likely Muzzin misses games for health than Brodie this year, even if he starts the year "healthy."

I think you're really being obtuse here.

 

[francis246]

Why do you keep focusing on one specific board battle? Staying healthy is a 24/7 job. Sometimes players don't recover properly and pick up muscle injuries. Sometimes they have recurring concussion issues.

Muzzin misses time every year. Brodie never misses any significant time. It's a lot more likely Muzzin misses games for health than Brodie this year, even if he starts the year "healthy."

I think you're really being obtuse here.

Again an assumption lol; not a fact

 

[zeke]

Ignore the trade, and don't get too far ahead with playoff rosters - with those things eliminated, do you not think he's been the best or 2nd best bubble guy at camp?

I have them:

1. Robertson
2. Malgin
3. Holmberg
4. Steeves
5. Gaudette
6. Anderson
7. Douglas

It doesn't hurt that he seems to have good chemistry with Willy.

I'd drop the last 3 off the list completely tbh and probably stick McMann in at #5.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Again an assumption lol; not a fact

yes sort of like how I assume I will be alive tomorrow even though factually I could die in my sleep. Very helpful.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Matthews is 6’4 and has suffered quite a few injuries himself. It’s pro sports, size doesn’t really matter when it comes to injury. Just about anyone can get injured. So to suggest Robertson has a higher risk than Matthews or Holl for example isn’t factually true.

6'-3" I believe. Still pretty tall. But this kind of blew me away. Had no idea Judge was such a big guy.

Auston Matthews tosses jitters aside with Jays ceremonial first pitch

Maple Leafs were on hand to greet baseball’s current home run leader Aaron Judge before Matthews tossed out the first pitch

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Matthews has shown a propensity to pick up injuries as well. Size isn't the only factor of course. You seemed to gloss over the "how hard he plays" part. He throws himself into hits recklessly at times, combined with his size it's going to make him more susceptible to injuries than a guy like Nylander, who has more years building up strength and plays a more elegant game.

I think he's learning (or hopefully, learned). You don't see him cutting into the crease with all kinds of traffic anymore like he did with the Trouba injury.

Yes… they literally do…. Assuming both are at 100%. If you run the exact same drill for example. Board battle in the corner. The injury percentage for both players is literally the same. The potential for injury is the same.

The only time that percentage changes is if one player does that drill with a pre existing injury. Or has a current chronic injury.

I don't agree. I'm 53 in a couple of months. Literally all of my friends have all kinds of nagging issues from backs to knees to whatever. I don't and I promise I haven't been careful with my body. Some people are just more prone to injury. It's a thing.

 

[ACC1224]

6'-3" I believe. Still pretty tall. But this kind of blew me away. Had no idea Judge was such a big guy.

Auston Matthews tosses jitters aside with Jays ceremonial first pitch

Maple Leafs were on hand to greet baseball’s current home run leader Aaron Judge before Matthews tossed out the first pitch

www.theglobeandmail.com

Judge is a freak, so is Matthews.