GDT: Leafs @ Habs - 7pm

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It's Malgin... not Malgain.... though I agree with you, if one of the three has to be dropped...

Only scenario where I might diverge, is if they think Malgin is good enough to play with Nylander and Tavares... so they play the asset management game. Maybe he isn't better than Robertson, but if you play Malgin 10-20 games, up his value, you might be able to trade him for something of value. Then move Robertson up with Nylander and Tavares.

Thing is Robertson is also showing he's good enough to play with Tavares and Nylander.

Then there is Jarnkork, the way he olayed with Matthews and Bunting made me think Jarnkork Tavares Marner could work, granted that was before Robertson started tearing it up but I still think it could work.

To you have option A

Jarnkork Tavares Nylander

Or option B

Robertson Tavares Nylander

I think either one could work I don't think Malgin gets that spot, nor should he.

Neither has played 0 minutes of regular season hockey this year. There is scenario where Buffalo claims Malgin, he goes scoring 10 points in his first 10 games there and Robertson struggles in second line. Malgin has played 200 games in this league and has progressed after that. No one really knows what his capable of, so I'd rather take flyer with both and go from there. They have deserved their chances at the moment, but we have few preseason games left. Robertson has maybe higher ceiling, but it is yet to be seen if he can reach it.

There is a chance that putting Malgin in waiwers end up being terrible asset management. There are no easy decision, since I think we have to mostly think about building cup winner, this season. So you keep Kerfoot, if needed etc.

There is only way to know if Robertson can reach that potential

 

[kb]

You have to play the asset management angle. Has Robertson been better? Yes. Has he been way better? No, but he has been better. Do Malgin and Nylander have chemistry? It appears so.

In this instance I think it is better to have both in the organization. Because Robertson is starting to accumulate an injury history for a player so young player, he'll need to prove he can stay healthy in the pros for an extended period. He's only been healthy for 75 games over the past 2 seasons.

If they waive Malgin, and Robertson gets hurt (or underperforms), the Leafs are going to be on the market for what they just got rid of.

I think for those reasons, the Leafs need to keep Malgin at least to start the season - IMO.

 

[justashadowof]

If Robertson is ready, it's a great thing. Getting a possible impact talent on an ELC for two full seasons is an advantage you really can't buy on the trade market. If Malgin can justify a roster spot after Robertson, that's great too.

 

[67Cup]

Yes, Asset management is important, but putting the best team on the ice is more important, IMO. This is particularly the case with a team that is a contender, but is under great pressure to break through to the very top level. And that’s the Leafs. Losing the 13th or 14th forward on the depth chart is not some kind of disaster to be avoided at all costs. If Robertson is one of the best 12 forwards, and it looks as if he is, keep him.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Thing is Robertson is also showing he's good enough to play with Tavares and Nylander.

Then there is Jarnkork, the way he olayed with Matthews and Bunting made me think Jarnkork Tavares Marner could work, granted that was before Robertson started tearing it up but I still think it could work.

To you have option A

Jarnkork Tavares Marner

Or option B

Robertson Tavares Marner

I think either one could work I don't think Malgin gets that spot, nor should he.



There is only way to know if Robertson can reach that potential

Very good point to bring up Jarnkrok. Another example of how Malgin lack in the "utility", swiss army knife aspect if he can't win a pure top 6 role. Jarnkrok, kerfoot, (okay fine) Engvall etc. you can move around. Malgin is a placeholder wherever you put him. You will always be thinking about how to upgrade to someone with a higher offensive ceiling if he's in the top 6 (Robertson) or someone with more intangibles if he's in the bottom 6.

It would have been a nice story if the swiss player could be a new swiss army knife guy but doesn't look like it.

 

[4thline]

Based on camp I think this is a justifiable healthy Day 1 F Group

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander
Kerfoot-Jarncrok-Malgin
Engvall-Kampf-NAK

Problem- with our D and G it's 1.277 over the cap. A Kerfoot or Engvall trade coupled with a ZAR signing for ~950 makes it work. Engvall just gets us under, Kerfoot opens up room for a spare F, and some serious wiggle room to accrue space

Malgin's not ideal in that 3 spot on paper, but the name of the game is to get into the playoffs, then ice the best team possible to win in the playoffs. An
Engvall-Jarncrok-Malgin
ZAR-Kampf-NAK bottom 6 should be fine for us to be a damn good regular season team, and 4m of deadline cap space leaves some room to upgrade it to a damn good Post season bottom 6.

 

[Ciao]

If Robertson looks like the real deal then I think the Leafs need to commit to him and develop him on the NHL roster. They did the same with Hyman early in his career too. At some point you need to fish or cut bait with your prospects.

Malgin also looks like a very good hockey asset, but he's not a prospect. Try to keep him if you can, but he is dispensible.

It would be a shame to lose both Marchment and Malgin, both of whom might be legitimate NHL players, but neither of them are game-breakers. They are at best very competent journeymen forwards, neither of whom should get in the way of the devopment of younger, better players.

 

[deprw]

You have to play the asset management angle. Has Robertson been better? Yes. Has he been way better? No, but he has been better. Do Malgin and Nylander have chemistry? It appears so.

In this instance I think it is better to have both in the organization. Because Robertson is starting to accumulate an injury history for a player so young player, he'll need to prove he can stay healthy in the pros for an extended period. He's only been healthy for 75 games over the past 2 seasons.

If they waive Malgin, and Robertson gets hurt (or underperforms), the Leafs are going to be on the market for what they just got rid of.

I think for those reasons, the Leafs need to keep Malgin at least to start the season - IMO.

Other injuries can also pile up and we have room for both even if we don't want it. I'd understand that you have to play Robertson angle, if Malgin would have been hand warm with three assists or so. Malgin has scored 6 points and Robertson 7 points both against preseason quality opponents.

I think Malgin's ceiling is Zuccarello-Aasen and it's highly unlikely scenario, but you would be stupid if you waive him now. Everyone will acknowledge it, if we waive him and he explodes somewhere else. You'd look like an idiot, even if his 50p a season player. Like you'd have waiwed Bunting last year for Robertson.

There is only way to know if Robertson can reach that potential

We can say Robertson that he is first in the line for call up and we'll make room for him. Until that we give him 22 minutes in the AHL. We can work phones first 5 games and after that we have better understanding about Malgin. We can probably dump Malgin then for draft pick, if his ok and there are injuries in the league. Like there always is.

Malgin has also been everything we have asked from him before the camp. You dump players like Gaudette, that couldn't make it.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Neither has played 0 minutes of regular season hockey this year. There is scenario where Buffalo claims Malgin, he goes scoring 10 points in his first 10 games there and Robertson struggles in second line. Malgin has played 200 games in this league and has progressed after that. No one really knows what his capable of, so I'd rather take flyer with both and go from there. They have deserved their chances at the moment, but we have few preseason games left. Robertson has maybe higher ceiling, but it is yet to be seen if he can reach it.

There is a chance that putting Malgin in waiwers end up being terrible asset management. There are no easy decision, since I think we have to mostly think about building cup winner, this season. So you keep Kerfoot, if needed etc.

Nobody Has played regular season minutes because it's nd the regular season, Engvall is a proven PK guy That has already been established

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

If Robertson looks like the real deal then I think the Leafs need to commit to him and develop him on the NHL roster. They did the same with Hyman early in his career too. At some point you need to fish or cut bait with your prospects.

Malgin also looks like a very good hockey asset, but he's not a prospect. Try to keep him if you can, but he is dispensible.

It would be a shame to lose both Marchment and Malgin, both of whom might be legitimate NHL players, but neither of them are game-breakers. They are at best very competent journeymen forwards, neither of whom should get in the way of the devopment of younger, better players.

Until he proves otherwise Malgin shouldn't be clumped with Marchment. And nobody should have a problem admitting this was a horrible lopsided trade because at the end of the day it shows that our development system works.

 

[deprw]

Nobody Has played regular season minutes because it's nd the regular season, Engvall is a proven PK guy That has already been established

That has been established, but you can see both Malgin and Robertson in the NHL in our uniform in first ten games of the season if you want. Both have deserved it at the moment.

 

[ACC1224]

Nobody Has played regular season minutes because it's nd the regular season, Engvall is a proven PK guy That has already been established

Seems like they have lots of options for the PK.
IMO, that's not enough of a reason to keep him.

Malgin seems to be able to play up the lineup if needed, Engvall has never shown that ability.

 

[The Masters]

Woulda loved to move JT to the wing this season and get another centre for 2nd line. Nylander is too good to not play on 2nd line but that line struggled last season cuz of fit. JT at this stage prob better served on the wing. Also love that third line. 2 way guys that can produce.

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Nylander - Upgrade - Tavares
Robertson - Kerfoot - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - Engvall

Malgin makes it but will start in press box as insurance.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Woulda loved to move JT to the wing this season and get another centre for 2nd line. Nylander is too good to not play on 2nd line but that line struggled last season cuz of fit. JT at this stage prob better served on the wing. Also love that third line. 2 way guys that can produce.

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Nylander - Upgrade - Tavares
Robertson - Kerfoot - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - Engvall

I think that I read somewhere on this board that the Leafs plan to let Tavares play some wing this year to keep him fresh. I would agree that in a perfect world, he could play W full time. I wish Willy had the drive to be a C.

 

[Teeder Keon]

The AHL and the euro leagues are littered with Malginesque players .
Also , what’s going on with some of us ??
Wtf do we need Malgin in the playoffs ?
That’s our status now and I’m all for it .
It’s about winning a round , 2 , 3 and of course , The S Lord that’s it !
Players like Malgin do not get us there .
Of course you take Robertson , not only for the way he’s played and you must reward that or our organization and player development means nothing !!!
It’s a awesome thing to have this competition, but pleeeeeeeease you can let Malgin go
We have other options you know that are tools more suited for our needs as a team in our organization now and in the POs
Also …
In the playoffs we have MKnies joining then what ?
LW
Bunting
Knies
Robertson
4th line pickem
GLG

 

[meefer]

My first look at the team this year. I was impressed with Robertson, but was most impressed with Murray. While one pre-season game means diddly, his size, movement and ability to be square to the puck was encouraging to see. On to the next.

 

[ACC1224]

The AHL and the euro leagues are littered with Malginesque players .
Also , what’s going on with some of us ??
Wtf do we need Malgin in the playoffs ?
That’s our status now and I’m all for it .
It’s about winning a round , 2 , 3 and of course , The S Lord that’s it !
Players like Malgin do not get us there .
Of course you take Robertson , not only for the way he’s played and you must reward that or our organization and player development means nothing !!!
It’s a awesome thing to have this competition, but pleeeeeeeease you can let Malgin go
We have other options you know that are tools more suited for our needs as a team in our organization now and in the POs
Also …
In the playoffs we have MKnies joining then what ?
LW
Bunting
Knies
Robertson
4th line pickem
GLG

Playoffs is a long way off, there will be lots of time to determine which type of player is needed.
People are discussing the start of the season right now..

 

[Teeder Keon]

Playoffs is a long way off, there will be lots of time to determine which type of player is needed.
People are discussing the start of the season right now..

Robertson
Steeves

Not even close

 

[ToneDog]

Robertson
Steeves

Not even close

Kyper pretty much echoed the same sentiments this morning. A left side of 58, 89, 47 in the playoffs ?? Timeout.

Truth is we have not been able to find the right #2LW. Foligno and Ritchie were not it. Knies might be but not sure how long it will take him to be that guy.

 

[justashadowof]

Name another Leafs' player, not one of the big four, who seems capable of regularly scoring north of the hashmarks with an open shot against NHL goaltending. That's what is so enticing about Robertson.

 

[Jojalu]

Until he proves otherwise Malgin shouldn't be clumped with Marchment. And nobody should have a problem admitting this was a horrible lopsided trade because at the end of the day it shows that our development system works.

Horrible trade based on last year. As of now Malgin has more career goals and points and is 2 years younger.

Curious to see how Marchment does in Dallas this year.

Last year was a win for Florida though

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Horrible trade based on last year. As of now Malgin has more career goals and points and is 2 years younger.

Curious to see how Marchment does in Dallas this year.

Last year was a win for Florida though

Marchment would make the roster of every NHL team though if we are discussing player profile and not diving into the financial stuff. He has distanced himself from journeyman status for now, and all of us would take his current form over Malgin, even people who think Marchment is over rated.

But I made this distinction not to make marchment vs malgin so we should stop talking about marchment now, but just for more way to show malgin isn't in any tier that helps him jump other guys for a spot.

 

[justashadowof]

Robertson
Steeves

Not even close

In an off-season interview where Dubas was rhyming off the names of Marlies possibly making the team in the Fall he didn't think to say Steeves' name. I'm not sure what that meant, maybe just an accidental omission. Anyways, I thought Steeves looked to be NHL material in his short recall last season. I don't think he's going to be a big offensive guy at the NHL level but he seems to do the little stuff well and that's what you need from a reliable bottom 6 guy.

 

[4thline]

Playoffs is a long way off, there will be lots of time to determine which type of player is needed.
People are discussing the start of the season right now..

That's why despite being a bigger Kerfoot fan than most I think he's the guy you move. Opens up some real deadline possibilities, that when combined with Knies hopefully being a day 1 top 9 PWF could be game changing depending on what we want to spend at the deadline.

 

[Havoc]

That's why despite being a bigger Kerfoot fan than most I think he's the guy you move. Opens up some real deadline possibilities, that when combined with Knies hopefully being a day 1 top 9 PWF could be game changing depending on what we want to spend at the deadline.

You can't make that trade now then. Kerfoot needs to be displaced by this cheaper, hopefully breakout ELC internal player first. What if Knies can't handle it yet? We freed up 3 mil just to throw darts again, when Kerfoot was at least guaranteed to be good enough for depth. If you want to throw darts use the options you're not high on (not as high on as kerfoot).

Accruing cap space for the deadline falls within throwing darts because it's still a form of gambling via bidding on players you're not guaranteed to obtain. We do have some players we can get away with trading for that but they're not named Kerfoot.