Confirmed with Link: Leafs fire goaltending coach Steve Briere

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Leafs keep getting "Out-Goalied" each playoffs, so it must be the goalie coach.

Of course, who knew the solution could be so simple, as the clue was right there in the title all along?

:wg:
 
The one move I was hoping for. There have been hockey players who trained under the guy who came here and told us the guy is a hack.

Leafs keep getting "Out-Goalied" each playoffs, so it must be the goalie coach.

Given how often goalies wash out in Toronto, it couldn't hurt.

And I wouldn't say each playoff. The Leafs were the one team to make the Lightning sweat so far (and it sucks knowing the Leafs might have been able to cruise to the cup afterwards). I'd blame it more on lack of heart and discipline. You'd think after so many playoff losses these guys would realize shooting the puck directly into the goalie's chest is a BAD idea.
 
The next guy better be able to turn lemons into lemon aide. So he is blamed for losing in round #1 because the Soup/Mrazek tandem he was given could not get it done. Yet the architects get to keep their jobs. LOL. And you wonder why we have not been able to win a cup since 1967.
 
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The next guy better be able to turn lemons into lemon aide. So he is blamed for losing in round #1 because the Soup/Mrazek tandem he was given could not get it done. Yet the architects get to keep their jobs. LOL. And you wonder why we have not been able to win a cup since 1967.
Do you know how most organizations get better?

You look for your weakest areas and fix them.

Not an odd concept. Unless you think they should keep the goalie coach in perpetuity and keep firing the GM's.
 
Do you know how most organizations get better?

You look for your weakest areas and fix them.

Not an odd concept. Unless you think they should keep the goalie coach in perpetuity and keep firing the GM's.

Trotz, Cassidy are out there. You think Keefe is better ?
 
Alot of ppl were calling for this. My question to this group is:

How do you differentiate Briere not doing a good job versus Leafs just having bad goaltending or a bad defensive system?
 
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For how the Leafs play?

The goalie coach has been in place here prior to everyone but Shanahan. Don't think it's outside the realm to fire him before the others.

Nope it makes some sense to find a scapegoat. Question is, is Briere the problem or the goalies Dubas saddled him with ?? Rinse and repeat.
 
Just to show the difference a good goaltending coach can make, the Marlies team SV% with Piero Greco for his 4 years were as follows:

.915 (Gibson .921, Bibeau .913, Sparks ECHL)
.916 (Sparks .928, Bibeau .909)
.905 (Sparks .922, Bibeau .894, used 7G)
.922 (Sparks .936, Pickard .918)

The 4 years since he left:
.894 (Hutch .909, McAdam .897, Kaskisuo .896)
.889 (Kaskisuo .909, Woll .880)
.893 (Woll .892, D'Agostini .890)
.897 (Kallgren .906, Hutch .899, Woll .907)

Not a lot of difference in talent (or lack thereof) between the groups (player group as well) yet a huge difference in actual performance. The Islanders have been near the top of the league since he went there as well.

I don't care who they determine the top guy is, but find him and bring him in here.

But the goalies changed too.
 
Nope it makes some sense to find a scapegoat. Question is, is Briere the problem or the goalies Dubas saddled him with ?? Rinse and repeat.
So if we bring back Dubas and Keefe we should bring back everyone else too? We have seven years of experience with him, maybe it's time for change for Briere and us.
 
Yeah we haven't drafted and developed a great goalie since Potvin. That's sad.
to be fair, any given season there is only maybe 5 goalies that you can consider 'elite' and at least 2-3 of the the names swap in and out, so, its not like every team is developing a franchise goalie every few years.
Shesterkin for example is already 26, and this was his 1st year being 'elite' ...he may have always had the potential, but, still wasnt a fast process.
Demko is 26, and he's nowhere near Shesterkin/Sorokin (also 26) he looks great now and then, then goes into a slump. its not easy to put it all together unless you have Vasi pedigree
 
Trotz, Cassidy are out there. You think Keefe is better ?
it took Trotz 19 years to win a cup, and its not like he coached crappy teams, Cassidy hasnt won anything either and had the scariest defensive dman, a great goalie, and the best 2-way C in the game his entire tenure, so, Yea, Keefe at this point in his career is better, but, i'd still fire him next season if they dont win a round, and i'm expecting Toronto to win the Presidents next year.
 
To be fair he did turn Jack Campbell from a throw in , to the starting goalie. I don't think Jack did that all on his own.
That’s great. Another boy genius looking for someone to blame without providing him with the proper tools. It’s like firing a ditch digger for not working fast enough when all you gave him is a spoon.

Don’t know the guy or his ability at all. I do know that Soupy went from a mediocre backup to an adequate starter. What was expected of the coach and how could he have done any better? Would have liked to see him provided with better material to work with. Once again, this is more of a Dubas failure than anything else.
 
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Where is he ranked?
He's the #2 ranked European, #3 overall but his skill and technical ability is better than anybody else in the draft. He'll probably go later 2nd - middle 3rd somewhere.

That’s great. Another boy genius looking for someone to blame without providing him with the proper tools. It’s like firing a ditch digger for not working fast enough when all you gave him is a spoon.

Don’t know the guy or his ability at all. I do know that Soupy went from a mediocre backup to an adequate starter. What was expected of the coach and how could he have done any better? Would have liked to see him provided with better material to work with. Once again, this is more of a Dubas failure than anything else.
Briere was the coach the entire time Andersen was here. Andersens first season as a Leaf was arguably his best. It was definitely the year he allowed the fewest "how did that go in" goals. And every year after got worse and worse.
 
it took Trotz 19 years to win a cup, and its not like he coached crappy teams, Cassidy hasnt won anything either and had the scariest defensive dman, a great goalie, and the best 2-way C in the game his entire tenure, so, Yea, Keefe at this point in his career is better, but, i'd still fire him next season if they dont win a round, and i'm expecting Toronto to win the Presidents next year.

Keefe has lost 3 straight series as the favourite. If you think Keefe is better than Trotz or Cassisdy, I don't know what else there is to say.

Love your optimism though. I'll wait to see how Dubas shuffles the deck chairs before forming an opinion. As it stands we need to find a true #1G which won't be easy.

That’s great. Another boy genius looking for someone to blame without providing him with the proper tools. It’s like firing a ditch digger for not working fast enough when all you gave him is a spoon.

Don’t know the guy or his ability at all. I do know that Soupy went from a mediocre backup to an adequate starter. What was expected of the coach and how could he have done any better? Would have liked to see him provided with better material to work with. Once again, this is more of a Dubas failure than anything else.

Shanny, Dubas and Keefe are bulletproof !!
 
He's the #2 ranked European, #3 overall but his skill and technical ability is better than anybody else in the draft. He'll probably go later 2nd - middle 3rd somewhere.


Briere was the coach the entire time Andersen was here. Andersens first season as a Leaf was arguably his best. It was definitely the year he allowed the fewest "how did that go in" goals. And every year after got worse and worse.
So, they should have fired him then. Clearly, Campbell overachieved this year. The optics appear pretty bad to me. Dubas had to do something. He should have done something in another way.
 
That’s great. Another boy genius looking for someone to blame without providing him with the proper tools. It’s like firing a ditch digger for not working fast enough when all you gave him is a spoon.

Don’t know the guy or his ability at all. I do know that Soupy went from a mediocre backup to an adequate starter. What was expected of the coach and how could he have done any better? Would have liked to see him provided with better material to work with. Once again, this is more of a Dubas failure than anything else.

Dubas has had Andersen for 3/4 seasons here? He's a guy the leafs payed a lot to acquire and was supposed to be very good. How is it Dubas' fault that he struggled horribly for 2 of those 3 seasons and then put up Vezina contender numbers as soon as he left?
 
Dubas has had Andersen for 3/4 seasons here? He's a guy the leafs payed a lot to acquire and was supposed to be very good. How is it Dubas' fault that he struggled horribly for 2 of those 3 seasons and then put up Vezina contender numbers as soon as he left?

See above.
 

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