Confirmed with Link: Leafs extend Keefe

[BallardEra]

Yeah I don’t think anything has changed other than maybe give him more security on paper to be able to go head to head vs the players instead of feeling like a lame duck.

I picture him walking into the Leafs dressing room with that Vince McMahon strut after reading your post.

Sounds like Treliving and Keefe agreed on how it was Dubas philosophy holding him back…

I mean would anyone expect Keefe to say:

"Hey Tre, it's my fault. Not Dubas'?"

 

[Gary Nylund]

Just so I'm clear about this, I'm neither a Keefe fan or think he's a great coach, but I'm attempting to bring in some sanity here. A bad coach would get "dunked on" repeatedly during the regular season long before the post-season. Does Keefe get out-coached in the playoffs? Perhaps. Perhaps also we don't get heart and soul efforts in the playoffs as well. You may never have seen an actual bad Leafs' coach. Dan Maloney was a bad coach, the team seemed perpetually confused under him. Mike Murphy was a terrible coach unable to figure out how to use Hall of Famer Larry Murphy either because he wasn't so bright or because he was blinded by hate for the individual. The team literally went from bottom of the league to the conference finals in a single year changing from Murphy to Quinn.

Good point! All too often people see things in either black or white when more often than not, there's more grey area than anything else. I have some issues with Keefe but I think it's a stretch to say that we'd for sure have more playoff success with a different coach. Most of the blame falls on the players.

I'm not a big Nylander fan particularly defensively and offensively against the boards. But this is not the thread for it.

Fair enough. I might be guilty of overrating him at times and the things you mention are definitely areas where he's shall we say, less than ideal. That being said, I still think that even if you keep everything else the way it is, when we're down a goal or two in the 3rd period, he's a guy that should be double shifted.

 

[Enniskillen]

Hello darkness, my old friend lol

 

[LeafSteel]

Hello darkness, my old friend lol

This works well, particularly if it's the Disturbed version.

Crank it up loud as you curl up into the fetal position, thinking of more of Keefe behind the bench........

 

[mikeyz]

He's broken regular season records as the coach and finally got the team to win a playoff round so I guess so.

Any one of us on this board could coach this team to regular season breaking records.

 

[SprDaVE]

Any one of us on this board could coach this team to regular season breaking records.

Sure Mikeyz.

 

[myleafs]

Loh my.
So now let's see. Was dubas coaching Keefe to play soft? As a player Keefe was pretty rough, so let's see if he can coach his team to play that way.
Hopefully the addition of Boucher will help when it comes to in game adjustment.

Treliving did say he likes his team to take the initiative so fingers crossed. Shanny was as tough as they come and Keefe had a nasty streak and yet look at how timid the team is that they are in charge of...doesnt make sense. Hopefully that attitude came from Dubas and is in the past.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

This is the most brutal decision so far but at least it's easy to get out of.

Worst playoff coach in the game.

 

[Leaf Fans]

How did he fare in the second playoff round? (not being cheeky -- did he get outcoached or the players outplayed?)

The Leafs lost in the second round 4-1. People obviously were not happy with the coaches. They were not happy with the players, but most of all, they werecl not happy with the result. I am sure it is similer to most team's fan when the are talking about a time the team they support lost in the playoffs. In Vancouver, people rioted when they lost in the finals.

 

[al secord]

If I know Al Bundy, it was Sheldon's Big 'Uns that attracted him the most.

 

[Arzak]

Loh my.
So now let's see. Was dubas coaching Keefe to play soft? As a player Keefe was pretty rough, so let's see if he can coach his team to play that way.
Hopefully the addition of Boucher will help when it comes to in game adjustment.

Interesting, could be. On a human level, Dubas is responsible for Keefe's NHL career, it's just natural he would respect Dubas's wishes more than a different coach in the same situation would, despite personally preferring a different style.

Just about the only explanation for why Keefe stayed.

 

[Leafy Undergrowth]

Getting strong "this if fine" meme vibes from management.

 

[Arzak]

If I know Al Bundy, it was Sheldon's Big 'Uns that attracted him the most.

With Kyle out, they can get no ma'am club going. Finally!

 

[thusk]

Dude look at cooper’s nhl resume before that series. it’s not the sam

Cooper resume first 7 NHL season
340 win 225 lost
0.6017% of win both regular+playoff
Playoff only 36-32 0.529 %

Keefe in toronto
178 win 118 lost
0.6013%

13-16 0.433%

So yes playoff succes was not the same

One was playing on a market with absolute n9 pressure and the second one in NHL market with the highest pressure. Its not the same thing coaching in toronto and tampa

In Tampa, you having a bad night... youre leaving the ice, leaving for your hom/hotel and its over. Youre losing in playoff, one day and we stop talk about it.

In Toronto, you having a bad night, 35 jounalist waiting to telling you how bad you was... youre losing in playoff and still talking about it all year long until next playoff

It is possible at the end than the difference between both is not quality of coaching but all the pressure coming with the city on player and staff?

 

[Leaf Fans]

I thought Boucher was gonne be head coach by Christmas

He might be.

 

[authentic]

I’m not surprised but buckle up for more years of the same playoff failure.
Treliving is truly Shannys puppet.

I was hoping for someone that would hold this core accountable either the GM or the coach but no

What do we do if they win though? Will you all suddenly love them then and admit you were wrong?

 

[supermann_98]

Keefe has done an amazing job with the team despite the lack of playoff success. He is an excellent coach. I think people will be pleasantly surprised by how he coaches this year compared to previous years without Dubas. He will call people out and won't back down. Keefe was held back and everyone will see that now. I do believe he will go down as one of the better coaches we ever had one day.

Genuinely curious why you think that. You think Dubas made him retract the harsh statements he made a day earlier when Mitch was sounding off on being benched and not caring what anyone says?

If Keefe had the guts to stand behind his criticism of the core players I'd overlook his playoff series record. If he'd bag-skate them when they don't show up for a Tuesday night game against a team like Chicago or Phoenix or Montreal or another terrible team I'd be praising him.

Instead he's afraid of upsetting the core, except for Willy who he gets shat on all the time in the media and gets demoted to PP2 because M&M cant do shit on the PP.

Nevermind his treatment of Liljegren who was humming along playing the best hockey of his career until Keefe started yo-yo-ing his ass in and and of the lineup.

I really hope Keefe is entitled to coach the way he wants now that Dubas is gone, we shall see.

 

[Hellcat]

Craig MacTavish and Dominique Ducharme also got to the Stanley Cup finals.

To be fair Ducharme was gone for a good part of the playoffs, it was Richardson that coached the Habs to the Cup finals.

Two year contracts are what lame duck coaches get as a parting gift, the fact it's not longer speaks volumes about the lack of confidence they have in Keefer.

 

[francis246]

Can someone help me get a job at mlse; it seems screwing up in the job leads to new contracts and lucrative salaries players and coaches alike

My boss can learn a thing or two from the Leafs



his love fest of holl was not bias it was something unheard off

I think the holl love had more to do with Dubas. Holl was someone Dubas helped earn an NHL contract and a guy he identified could be developed through the system.

 

[notDatsyuk]

What is hard to understand about this?

"Exactly. Re-signing the winningest coach in Leafs' history and the only one to take them past the 1st round in the last 20 years indicates that."

Clearly I am referring to winning in the regular season, I mentioned playoffs in the next portion of that sentence.

Does this need to be explained more?

It is so hard to have a conversation with someone who either lies about what you say or has a low level of comprehension.

Two separate statements:

"The only one to take them past the 1st round in the last 20 years" is true, although it has little value.

"The winningest coach in Leafs' history" is opinion at best, and glaringly wrong at worst.

 

[Stephen]

I picture him walking into the Leafs dressing room with that Vince McMahon strut after reading your post.

I'd watch that All or Nothing.

 

[francis246]

Two separate statements:

"The only one to take them past the 1st round in the last 20 years" is true, although it has little value.

"The winningest coach in Leafs' history" is opinion at best, and glaringly wrong at worst.

Sheldon has the best winning percentage among Leafs coaches who have coached more than 10 games in a season. That’s still really impressive. Not really “opinion”

 

[notDatsyuk]

florida's goalie posted a .950 and ours posted a .900. that's what happened in the second round.

That doesn't really answer the question.

Yes he got outcoached. Florida managed to completely shut down Matthews, Marner, and Tavares, and Keefe had no answer. Part may be attributed to the players, but part has to go to the coach too.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Sheldon has the best winning percentage among Leafs coaches who have coached more than 10 games in a season. That’s still really impressive. Not really “opinion”

Yes, and if winning in the regular season is all you care about, he is.

I think winning in the playoffs is a far greater indication of success, and he isn't.

And considering the three big scorers he was gifted with, the regular season wins aren't all that impressive either.

 

[saltming]

Treliving did say he likes his team to take the initiative so fingers crossed. Shanny was as tough as they come and Keefe had a nasty streak and yet look at how timid the team is that they are in charge of...doesnt make sense. Hopefully that attitude came from Dubas and is in the past.