Confirmed with Link: Leafs extend Keefe

[JKG33]

So everything is wrong, yet the team was better than 75% of the league last year... an example is LA. Imagine being worse than what you just described.

This reads like someone who has no idea what the issue is so they are throwing darts at everything.

Huh, 1 playoff rd win in 7 years is better than 75% of the league?

And once again, you like many others can't go more than a few posts without mentioning another random NHL team. Goes to show how much your argument lacks.

 

[SprDaVE]

Congrats to them for being better coaches than Keefe. What is exactly is your argument?

You said that I and Leaf fans don't know the different between regular season and post-season. What I'm saying is that it isn't linear and just pure black and white. Your argument is that a coach is as good as his best post-season regardless of everything else. That's your prerogative. The circle is fully complete -- have a good day TheOne.

 

[Dayjobdave]

The Leafs are a very good team. They've decided to keep their coach. Let's see how it goes.

If nothing else, it will be interesting to see how much of the style of play and interchangeable player usage was Dubas vs. Keefe.

 

[notbias]

Huh, 1 playoff rd win in 7 years is better than 75% of the league?

You just ignore the words "last year".

Playoffs are not about luck, there is a formula to win according to you and lots of others, past playoff records indicate future ones, therefore, we should take the latest playoffs, they were in the top 25% of teams, so they didn't do that bad, I can only imagine how lowly you think of all the other teams who didn't make it as far as this mismanaged team full of overpaid players that is terribly coached.

 

[crump]

So half of Matthews contract. Get it done in 2 years or be replaced for the last 2 years. Personally I think he should have been fired 2 seasons ago. Say what you want about Dubas, but last years trade deadline was good. We should have gone much deeper. Coaching was the difference. Keefe didn’t have them ready to start the 2nd round. He gets out coached on a lot of plays and while not a bad coach, he simply isn’t a championship coach.

Hab and Blue Jacket series were extremely winnable. Heads should have rolled after either one or both.

 

[JKG33]

You just ignore the words "last year".

Playoffs are not about luck, there is a formula to win according to you and lots of others, past playoff records indicate future ones, therefore, we should take the latest playoffs, they were in the top 25% of teams, so they didn't do that bad, I can only imagine how lowly you think of all the other teams who didn't make it as far as this mismanaged team full of overpaid players that is terribly coached.

The mental gymnastics done by you, and many others here, to justify this team's repeated failure never ceases to make me laugh. Once again well done

 

[Clark4Ever]

This was expected. It doesn't guarantee job security if Keefe falters, but it does give him a bit of a golden parachute.

 

[TheOne]

You said that I and Leaf fans don't know the different between regular season and post-season. What I'm saying is that it isn't linear and just pure black and white. Your argument is that a coach is as good as his best post-season regardless of everything else. That's your prerogative.

My perogative is the TML haven't won a cup since 1967. I don't think there's a single user on this forum that was old enough to remember that. And now they're extending a coach that I don't feel is going to change that, because he hasn't given us so much as a glimpse of promise. All of this WASTED time is at the expense of a core that isn't getting any younger, healthier, cheaper, or more liekable. FIGURE IT OUT. The iron is glowing, and your arguing to keep hammering it with the same clay mallet that has done f all for years now, because maybe it might do it on the next blow.

I hope to God a year from now you're all gloating and throwing this back in my face. Seriously, nothing would make me happier...

 

[trellaine201]

My two cents is I am surprised. GM almost always wants their own. My sense is Shanahan is behind this.

 

[TheOne]

My two cents is I am surprised. GM almost always wants their own. My sense is Shanahan is behind thisNa

My two cents is I am surprised. GM almost always wants their own. My sense is Shanahan is behind this.

Nah, GMs like to keep the status quo so they can later fire someone and bring in "their guy" to duck responsibility for the situation they could've immediately corrected.

Imagine showing up to your job, knowing theres a problem, and not doing anything about it until your job is on the line, so you can turn around and "solve" the problem you knew existed, just to buy yourself more time... mist be nice...

 

[Squiffy]

Say what you want about Dubas, but last years trade deadline was good. We should have gone much deeper. Coaching was the difference. Keefe didn’t have them ready to start the 2nd round.

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[justashadowof]

Let's not get carried away with calling him a bad coach. Clearly he isn't. This team was 5th in team defense last season with an averagish defense corps and wonky goaltending. Obviously the team wasn't a mess in terms of systems during the regular season at least.

2023-24 is going to be interesting. BT essentially ignored defense across the board with his off-season replacements. Do not be surprised to see this team have league average defense this season with the team back to having top 5 offense.

 

[TheOne]

The Leafs are a very good team. They've decided to keep their coach. Let's see how it goes.

If nothing else, it will be interesting to see how much of the style of play and interchangeable player usage was Dubas vs. Keefe.

Somehow, Justin Holl, who is on a different team now, ends up playing 45 minutes per game for the TML in the first round of the PO.

 

[Sniper99]

My two cents is I am surprised. GM almost always wants their own. My sense is Shanahan is behind this.

Im not surprised at all. When Treliving was brought on some report said it was most likely Keefe would be back. Spinning tires.

 

[TheOne]

Let's not get carried away with calling him a bad coach. Clearly he isn't. This team was 5th in team defense last season with an averagish defense corps and wonky goaltending. Obviously the team wasn't a mess in terms of systems during the regular season at least.

2023-24 is going to be interesting. BT essentially ignored defense across the board with his off-season replacements. Do not be surprised to see this team have league average defense this season with the team back to having top 5 offense.

He's a bad NHL coach, dude. Tampa, for years, never gave an F about regular season stats, because they feasted in the playoffs. The TML are the inverse. That's on the coach. Full stop.

 

[ShaneFalco]

The mental gymnastics done by you, and many others here, to justify this team's repeated failure never ceases to make me laugh. Once again well done

It could be another 5 years of playoff failure and they'd be saying the same things

 

[JKG33]

It could be another 5 years of playoff failure and they'd be saying the same things

Yup. If 7 years of failure doesn't change a persons mind, nothing will.

 

[PromisedLand]

Rewarding failure is a common trend here.

This!

"The more things change; the more they stay the same" - Maple Leafs Motto

The clown show continues....

I wonder if it is more of this

OR

More of this

 

[justashadowof]

He's a bad NHL coach, dude. Tampa, for years, never gave an F about regular season stats, because they feasted in the playoffs. The TML are the inverse. That's on the coach. Full stop.

Your feelings are noted. Your argument makes no sense. Bringing up Tampa is a total non-sequitor. It doesn't even make sense in terms of Tampa Bay taking the NHL regular season seriously which they clearly do.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Are you aware that last season the Leafs had the second best PP and were only second to the Oilers who had the all time best PP? Do you even watch the games?

Are you interested in a discussion or are you just looking for a fight? I ask because we'll have a more productive discussion if you don't start by coming across like a condescending d-bag.

Yes I am aware. Yes I watch the games.

Nylander was a big part of why the PP was so successful, why take him off? And why not give him more ice time, especially in games where we're trailing and desperately need offence?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I can't think of a single moment in Keefe's time with TOR where i said: "what a great coaching move/decision."

I can confidently say that Wilson, Babs, and Carlyle sometimes had their moments.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Contract needed. You cannot deal with the team egos as a lame duck. We pay AM and Mitchy this much in a month, and they didn't do any better in the playoffs than Keefe

 

[666]

Are you interested in a discussion or are you just looking for a fight? I ask because we'll have a more productive discussion if you don't start by coming across like a condescending d-bag.

Yes I am aware. Yes I watch the games.

Nylander was a big part of why the PP was so successful, why take him off? And why not give him more ice time, especially in games where we're trailing and desperately need offence?

Because it was successful without him as well. I just don't understand why everything has to be so negative all the time. We had the second best PP and now I'm in a discussion about it not being good enough. Maybe if someone did a statistical analysis of how the PP performed with / without certain players (there might be an advanced stat for that, I'll take a quick look) it would be something to discuss but other than that just another negative anecdote is just that.

 

[PromisedLand]

Habs fan question for Leafs fans: Do you feel like he's demonstrated growth as a coach?

mental acumen and ability to coach is up for debate given dubas was a thrash GM meddling in things

Habs overcame 3-1 deficit to win the series with freakin webber coaching and captaining the team.

I am curious as to what external view of Keefe looks like from non-Leafs fans

 

[Gary Nylund]

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Because it was successful without him as well. I just don't understand why everything has to be so negative all the time. We had the second best PP and now I'm in a discussion about it not being good enough. Maybe if someone did a statistical analysis of how the PP performed with / without certain players (there might be an advanced stat for that, I'll take a quick look) it would be something to discuss but other than that just another negative anecdote is just that.

Are you aware that the PP was 2nd during the regular season, but only 6th best in the playoffs? That a fact BTW, not a "negative anecdote".