Friedman: Leafs do not see Marner making more than Kane

[KingJoffrey]

They should not, but first their millennial brat GM give a massive deal to the laziest player in the team. Then he give Matthews a massive deal without max term. Marner should ask 11.5x5.

 

[Spirit of 67]

Good luck with that Leafs. You paid Matthews like a top player already... You will be paying the better player Marner a crap load

11.5 per atleast.. Its pretty obvios

Based on what?

 

[Alklha]

They don't see Marner making more than Kane? I don't think that is crazy.

If we're talking a 5 year deal at $10.5m then I can easily see that happening. Marner would be crazy to take 8 years at that price after the deal that Matthews signed.

If we're talking offer sheets? People need to realise how high the numbers are getting to get the four 1st round picks. There is a decent chance that a 5 year deal at $10.5m would be in the second highest compensation bracket this summer (two 1sts, a 2nd & a 3rd). A 4 year deal in that range would make sense for both sides, should a GM be willing to go down the road of an offer sheet.

 

[TheDoldrums]

As a Hawk fan I wouldn't mind them offer sheeting Marner at 7 yrs / 11.5M AAV

As a Leafs fan I wouldn't mind having the Hawks next 4 1st rounders.

 

[shortfuze]

There is a career 70 points player on the same team who gets 11.5m for his RFA years plus one UFA year. Marner should rightfully ask for at least the same.
Auston Matthews Career Stats

Season	Team	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	PPG	PPP	SHG	SHP	GWG	OTG	S	S%	FO%
2016-2017	TOR	82	40	29	69	2	14	8	21	0	0	8	1	279	14.3	46.82
2017-2018	TOR	62	34	29	63	25	12	5	13	0	0	5	2	187	18.2	54.51
2018-2019	TOR	68	37	36	73	-9	12	12	20	0	0	5	2	251	14.7	52.14
Career	-	212	111	94	205	18

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[TFOOT] [/TFOOT]

And yet Matthews has a better PPG, a better GPG and plays the tougher position. Why should he get the same?

 

[shortfuze]

And there is the other guy getting 10 this year for holding out half season and delivering whooping 27 points..

How is any of that relevant to marners situation?

 

[TheDoldrums]

Well there is this one guy who sits at 27th most points in last 3 seasons (42nd last season, 22nd in PPG) and is going to make over 11M.

You mean the centre who is probably the 2nd best goal scorer in the world? Yeah, those things get you paid more.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

It’s shocking to see so many people side with management over players.

 

[BodaciousBeefBazooka]

There is going to be a crap storm incoming this off-season, I can just envision it

 

[TheDoldrums]

It’s shocking to see so many people side with management over players.

It's not shocking at all in a hard cap league.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

This is the delicious, I mean...unfortunate, reality.

Yes, unfortunately, the Leafs have a lot of elite young players who are going to get paid their worth.

 

[77Stormbreaker]

Kane also you know....won a Stanley Cup. "Settle" for 12 million

I missed what Cups Tavares or Mathews won

 

[donkshow]

He needs someone to set him up.That's a passenger.

This sounds like a statement from somebody that has never watched Matthews play a game in his life.

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Patty Kane signed that contract 5 years ago. I don't know how much exactly the ceiling has gone up since then, but you can't compare the monetary value of a contract dollar for dollar from 5 years ago to now. But even then, Kane makes 10.5, if Marner settles at 10M/8 years, that's a huge win for him. Coming into the NHL, I doubt he expected to make that kind of money, and he's a homer too. An extra mil or so shouldn't stall negotiations too long. He's worth 9-9.5 at max term, IMO.

The whole NHLPA shouldn't be thanking McDavid. Ever since he signed his record-breaking contract, every superstar's negotiation salary range has gone significantly up

Salary cap was 69M 5 years ago, now it's roughly 83M. Patty Kane's contract took about 15,2 % of the whole Blackhawks salary cap. Nowadays he would get 12,6M.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

It's not shocking at all in a hard cap league.

But management is the reason the leafs are in cap hell right now and instead of being mad at management people are siding with them.

 

[TheDoldrums]

But management is the reason the leafs are in cap hell right now and instead of being mad at management people are siding with them.

Leafs are in "cap hell" because of the Marleau contract. This current management group did not sign that.

Management thinks Marner should be compared to other wingers and not Matthews. For a centre to also be the second best goal scorer in the world is a rare talent. I don't think he's comparable to Marner.

 

[BB88]

And yet Matthews has a better PPG, a better GPG and plays the tougher position. Why should he get the same?

Marner was the better player this year and you can't sign him to a 5 year deal like you did with Matthews.

It would be beyond stupid.

 

[Torontoborn]

Marner was the better player this year and you can't sign him to a 5 year deal like you did with Matthews.

It would be beyond stupid.

That's debateable! Mathews does more than fill nets and rack up points. If Matthews played a full season he would have eclipsed Marners 94 points. To top it all off Matthews was the best player in the playoffs.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Based on what?

are you that blind ?

why in the hell would Marner take a friendly deal when MAtthews and Nylander said f*** off I want the bank ?????

 

[TOGuy14]

The cap's gone up what, $11.5m since Kane's contract kicked in?

($83m/$71.4m) * $10.5m = $12.2m

I bet Marner would settle for $12m.

Kane's contract was also his second one after his ELC and included almost all UFA years. The first one he signed was 5 years x 6.3M

 

[Spirit of 67]

are you that blind ?

why in the hell would Marner take a friendly deal when MAtthews and Nylander said **** off I want the bank ?????

So you have no idea.

Got it.
Thanks

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Nylander is a 23 year old whos already surpassed 60 points twice.

Buddy, he scored 61p twice.... just say he scored 60p, not "surpassed 60p twice"

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Tavares is less of an issue because UFA's are usually overpaid.

Again, I said Marner will get less than Matthews AND will sign for more term. Is that not putting Matthews at a higher value?

Maybe you are drunk so are having issues reading.

if you sign for more years you sign bigger contract.... if he signs for 5 years it's for 10M, if he signs for 7+ it's for 11.5M

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

So you have no idea.

Got it.
Thanks

I will quote you and in 3-5 months. I will reply to you with this exact post.
Can't wait

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Then you shouldnt have paid Nylander 7m.... Marner is easily going to argue he should get Matthews money when you paid Nylander 7m.

10.3M in cap hit in 2018-2019, don't forget.
Also a shit ton of bonus