Because they can make trades and have some good, cheap supporting players coming up. And of course. Leafs do have very nice depth. Kadri is the 3rd line centre.
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Oh yes Leafs had no chance. I had conversations with people laughing at Leaf fans for the thought of Tavares coming.
Hedman - 8
Stamkos - 8.5
Kucherov - 9.5
Karlsson - 11
= 37
Matthews - 11
Tavares - 11
Marner - 8
Nylander - 7
= 37
Hmmm
They usually go away when you give stats.
I like how the goal posts have now moved from you can't have 4 players taking up 40-45% of your cap to it's okay if they aren't all forwards
I noticed as well.
And Morgan Rielly being as good as he is at 5 million is fantastic. Same with Kadri at 4.5 million per at C(Would be a #1 C on some teams, he's #3 on the Leafs).
People have to adjust their opinions with Kucherov's deal.
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Tampa also has a rich middle class, including Stralman, Coburn, Callahan, Palat, Killorn, Johnson. And they haven't even locked in Vasilevskiy.
Yup. Callaghan is a killer deal for them. I called it the day it was signed. The classic "Intangibles" guy getting overpaid.
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you aren't understanding what he is saying. tampa has 37 million invested in 2 forwards and 2 defenders. toronto has 37 million invested in 4 forwards. not a good balance for the leafs
haveandare
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Hmm what? Nobody seems to be giving even a cursory glance to the point I'm making before tripping all over themselves to defend the Leafs' salary structure and/or pat each other on the back for doing such a good job making wholly irrelevant points.
I've said many times now, the issue is spending all that cap on only forwards. The fact that Tampa would be spending nearly half their cap on 2 star forwards and 2 star d-men is irrelevant to the point I'm making.
Except those aren't "stats," they don't disprove or even address the point I'm making and I'm still here, yeah you're totally right.
What goals posts? My point from the start was that spending so much cap on a handful of players who all play either up front or on the back end might not be wise.
haveandare
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Thank you. I feel like I've been pretty clear about this but it's just somehow not getting through.
I understand exactly what he said. I just don't agree with his assessment as I don't think it matters what concentration of your stars are on F or D.
Doubling down on your strength isn't a bad thing in any way. There are many ways to build/coach a team that don't involve needing one of the best defensemen in the world, let alone 2 of them. We just need solid defenders with good mobility and first pass which we can absolutely still have even with 4 forwards taking up 46% of the cap
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Your point was heard and understood fine, at least by me. I just don't agree with you. (See post right above this one)
And granted, when I talked about moving goal posts that more of a general thing in all the discussions relating to this than something you specifically had said, so my apologies there.
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Why are main board prentenders to be an expert think about anything else but check that our top line winger Zach freaking Dogman makes only 2.25 mil per for another 3 seasons.
We also have the likes of Bracco sitting on the bench in AHL. Just forget about the current roster we have so many wingers that will keep making floor salaries for at least another half a decade.
When you top it off with the likes of Gardiners and Marleau being replaced by these players it makes it even more sense to sit duck. We have so much depth at D that our bottom pair will be making no more than ELC value for guess again another half a decade. We also have Dermott and Liljegren to replace Gardiner and Hainsey.
We are not in a 100m sprint, we are in for a marathon and we have the most stamina to avoid the likes of Tampa for another 2-3 years while they will be declining we will only be getting started.
Just take a bucket and keep collecting that salt water, let me know how many buckets you filled when we start our rebuild again.
We also have the likes of Bracco sitting on the bench in AHL. Just forget about the current roster we have so many wingers that will keep making floor salaries for at least another half a decade.
When you top it off with the likes of Gardiners and Marleau being replaced by these players it makes it even more sense to sit duck. We have so much depth at D that our bottom pair will be making no more than ELC value for guess again another half a decade. We also have Dermott and Liljegren to replace Gardiner and Hainsey.
We are not in a 100m sprint, we are in for a marathon and we have the most stamina to avoid the likes of Tampa for another 2-3 years while they will be declining we will only be getting started.
Just take a bucket and keep collecting that salt water, let me know how many buckets you filled when we start our rebuild again.
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I would vote for Doughty because he's good. I wouldn't vote for a player in a poll solely because I thought we MIGHT have a chance to even talk to him in two years.
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Stamkos, Steven "C" 8.5
Kucherov, Nikita 9.5
Point, Brayden 6-9???
Callahan, Ryan "A" 5.8
Palat, Ondrej 5.3
Miller, J.T.5.25
Johnson, Tyler 5
Killorn, Alex 4.45
really? They are spending 32 on 4 forwards lol your blind bud sorry... facts are facts and they are right above and below you.
Hedman, Victor7.875
McDonagh, Ryan6.75
Strålman, Anton 4.5
Coburn, Braydon3.7
Girardi, Dan 3
Sergachev, Mikhail 5-7???
Karlsson 10????
it works because it's Tampa right? 25 Mil on 3 D... IT'S FINNNNNE IT'S TAMPA lol
haveandare
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What point is this mess supposed to be making?
TB will not have 4 forwards making half their cap. Toronto probably will once Matthews, Nylander and Marner get paid.
So? Hyman is a 3rd line player that just happens to play on your top line. And Bracco is a dime a dozen prospect, he might not even make the NHL, let alone become an impact player. You can’t bank on all your prospect wingers making the NHL and becoming impact players because that’s not gonna happen.
Gardiner and Marleau will be replaced by those players, but likely those players will be worse than them. That’s the problem with paying so much for 4 forwards, is you’re banking on your prospect pool to replace all the players you lose to FA. While at the same time trading picks for players to make playoff pushes, making your prospect pool worse and worse.
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A lot of bruins fans were impressed by Rielly and marner after the series ended when the the play off threads were more civil than here.... you just got your hate goggles on.
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If anyone watched that series and didn't think the Leafs defense needed a major overhaul, then I don't know what to tell you.
Leafs = bottom 10 defense , fine by me keep it that way for the next decade 
please sign all 4 to massive contracts
so this can become a reality.
Its funny how LITERALLY every other fanbase sees the problem coming.
Leaf fans are like addict in denial lol
please sign all 4 to massive contracts
so this can become a reality.Its funny how LITERALLY every other fanbase sees the problem coming.
Leaf fans are like addict in denial lol
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They will be fine but they should still try and upgrade that defense. This team has/should have cup aspirations and I think you are hoping best case scenario for Zaitsev (big turn-around), Dermott & Liljegren (very quickly establishing themselves) in that layout.
Marleau coming off the books the year after will help with cap room for a D, but that's still another year later & Marleau is a good player to have in that cup quest.
Marleau coming off the books the year after will help with cap room for a D, but that's still another year later & Marleau is a good player to have in that cup quest.
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