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LD Ivan Provorov (2015, 7th, PHI) II

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Appleyard said:
I dunno... he has made mistakes... but play by play he might have been our best Dman if that makes sense. Very rare he gives the puck away and he is awesome at breaking it out of our zone. He thinks the game stupidly well already.

I.E. If you went play by play all year so far and ranked each play of each Dman... then took the median, he would probably be the best... but in mean he would not be!

It is not like he is making the same mistakes again, or struggling in one aspect of the game... it seems more like 'boundary testing' a lot... plus he has been objectively extremely 'unlucky' defensively. (.857 sv% at 5v5!)

He is definitely already an NHL calibre defenseman... heck, he is better than half the guys on our back end already!

I mean, so far this season:

52.73% Corsi
+0.88 Corsi rel

While facing top lines mostly!

And he has 0.5 PPG with 4/5 points at 5v5.

Once he realises what he can and cannot do in the NHL he is going to be very good... he already has 99% of the findamentals down to a tee.
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That seems like the scouting book on him - carries the puck at an elite level but doesn't force plays

The thing about making mistakes is only what I picked up in this thread, I haven't seen anything other than highlights. I just think if the AHL is an option then its a good place to get top pick's feet wet when they're coming from a junior league, I would always opt for a stopover there if its an option even if it's a short one

The Corsi numbers tell a very different story than the plus/minus for Provorov, and goaltending seems to be the missing component that explains it - same with the leaf's record, with numbers that bad every little mistake gets exploited and its hard to score at a rate to cover it up
 
Three worst +/- skaters on Flyers:

Shayne Gostisbehere -5
Claude Giroux -7
Ivan Provorov -8


What a terrible, terrible players...
 
Randy Randerson said:
That seems like the scouting book on him - carries the puck at an elite level but doesn't force plays

The thing about making mistakes is only what I picked up in this thread, I haven't seen anything other than highlights. I just think if the AHL is an option then its a good place to get top pick's feet wet when they're coming from a junior league, I would always opt for a stopover there if its an option even if it's a short one

The Corsi numbers tell a very different story than the plus/minus for Provorov, and goaltending seems to be the missing component that explains it - same with the leaf's record, with numbers that bad every little mistake gets exploited and its hard to score at a rate to cover it up
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He's being forced to learn the pro game against top lines, 20 min/game. He got caught not realizing how fast Stalberg was, but that only happens once. He's going to be a very steady, very strong player for a long time. His offense will come too, although 5 pts in 10 games isn't bad...
 
Randy Randerson said:
That seems like the scouting book on him - carries the puck at an elite level but doesn't force plays

The thing about making mistakes is only what I picked up in this thread, I haven't seen anything other than highlights. I just think if the AHL is an option then its a good place to get top pick's feet wet when they're coming from a junior league, I would always opt for a stopover there if its an option even if it's a short one

The Corsi numbers tell a very different story than the plus/minus for Provorov, and goaltending seems to be the missing component that explains it - same with the leaf's record, with numbers that bad every little mistake gets exploited and its hard to score at a rate to cover it up
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Yep, elite puck mover that drives possession very well. Those numbers are from playing pretty much the toughest minutes on the team dman wise. Had the -5 game vs Chicago, the odd growing pain mistake every once in awhile, ****** goaltending and poor partner play and VOILA there's a deceiving team worst -8.

And like someone else pointed out, the next 4 worst Flyer +/- are by Giroux, Ghost, Simmonds and Streit ...
 
It's fine that he is going through some struggles. You learn from adversity.

I would rather he struggles in NHL then dominate in CHL. There is absolutely nothing left for him to learn in CHL.
 
MaxV said:
It's fine that he is going through some struggles. You learn from adversity.

I would rather he struggles in NHL then dominate in CHL. There is absolutely nothing left for him to learn in CHL.
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Agreed.

When Sergachev got sent down, Bergevin talked how he wanted him to do things quicker because at the NHL level, you don't have the time you have in junior. Well Provy is dealing with the same thing, just at the NHL level. Time and space can close quickly, he will learn from it.

Philly is in a transition year still anyways. Let him play an make mistakes and learn from them. He won't learn anymore by dominating Jr.
 
Provorov was quite easily the best Flyers skater tonight in all zones, and he just so happened to score his first goal on a beautiful back door read (which he has tried like a dozen times this season...it was inevitable he'd score on it):




Then he took a blocked shot to the knee on the PK shortly after, and it was a scary but awesome moment for him where he just crawls back into the play to try to keep defending. He writhed in pain for a while after.



 
Started off the season well, then fell apart during the first Chicago game and struggled for a week or two afterwards, but he's been great over the past month. Definitely growing more confident in his game, and he and Gudas have been a great pairing together. Rarely makes mistakes, rarely out of position, good in transition on both sides of the ice. Admittedly, I was a bit worried when he was making some obvious mistakes those first few weeks, but he looks like a seasoned 2nd pairing vet already. Excited to see the continued growth and development to hopefully become a #1 or at least a #2.
 
Of his 11 points, 10 are primary points. That's just ridiculous in how UNLUCKY he has been scoring-wise. You'd think a player with such deft passing ability would sneak a few secondary assists in there, those (sometimes) cheap, accumulative points. Since primary points are actually a repeatable skill and more important projecting forward, it would make sense that his scoring could even increase and has been better than it initially appears, not that 11 in 26 for a rookie isn't great.

And with 9 5v5 points, he ranks 4th in the NHL among all defensemen in 5v5 points behind Burns, Karlsson, and (oddly) Holden. As the graphic above shows, he's 2nd in primary points at 5v5. And playing on the PP2, which gets a lot less ice time than the PP1 and which has struggled to click so far, there's some more meat on the bone there too. And, although he often leads the Flyers in ice time, the coach pretty much refuses to play him 3 on 3 in OT, using Ghost (duh) and then Del Zotto and MacDonald and Streit over him.
 
So happy I have this kid in my keeper league. I already have Jake as well so watching Flyers games is fun, but Provorov is making it even better! :handclap:
 
Sucks that he is paired with MacDonald and was on the ice with the 4th line most of the night trying to shut down McDavid.

His play is night and day compared to earlier this year. Makes mistakes, yes, but you rarely see him make the same mistake twice. His dedication to the game is incredible. He won't be the highest scoring dman in the league but he'll put up points and will be considered one of the best 2 way dmen in the world in a few seasons.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if he turns out to be one of the three best players from the 2015 draft.
 
Provorov is now tied for 6th in Dmen ES scoring all while going up against top lines with AMac as his partner.

Not ready they said....
 
Zaddy Zads said:
Wouldn't surprise me if he turns out to be one of the three best players from the 2015 draft.
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Provorov
Werenski
Hanifan

I feel like I'm missing people though.:sarcasm:

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The maturation in the last couple months (including Konecky) has been impressive and he is certainly on par with the other two mentioned above.
 
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