Speculation: Larry Brooks: Canucks possibly going to make a run at Lafreniere

[HogtownSabresfan]

Lmao.

This might be one of the funniest things I’ve ever read. Coping so hard.

The guy is also not playing against top opponents. This is conveniently forgotten in the lack of top 6 narrative.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What does Raymond have to do with anything?

Just pointing out right now that Lucas Raymond taken at #4 is playing far better then #1 Alexis Lafreniere and will probably have the better career of the two.

 

[Three On Zero]

Just pointing out right now that Lucas Raymond taken at #4 is playing far better then #1 Alexis Lafreniere and will probably have the better career of the two.

Raymond >>> Lafreniere, Miller won’t get us Raymond though

 

[jackjohnson]

Only assets on Vancouver that return Lafreniere are Pettersson and Hughes. But Rangers cannot afford either unless Canucks are taking cap back. Might be a 2+2=22 rumor because of Lafreniere’s agent but this isn’t exactly what I would call cut and dry

Laf is very overrated for a 1st overall pick that has not shown much. How do we know he isnt another Yakupov? I say Canucks should stay away from this unless they can get Laf for cheap.

 

[jay from jersey]

Wouldn’t take Larry brooks too seriously. It’s hazardous for your health. He’s been suspected of stalking HF for a while now....
Just need to look at some of the wild stories he’s written in the past.....
It could be a shot across the Bow to LaF to try and light a fire under him to step up his play as well. If the rangers were to deal 1 of kakko/LaF, I’d think kakko would be traded before LaF ....

 

[Captain Controversy]

Only assets on Vancouver that return Lafreniere are Pettersson and Hughes. But Rangers cannot afford either unless Canucks are taking cap back. Might be a 2+2=22 rumor because of Lafreniere’s agent but this isn’t exactly what I would call cut and dry

Horvatt is the Canucks best player.

 

[Savant]

Laf is very overrated for a 1st overall pick that has not shown much. How do we know he isnt another Yakupov? I say Canucks should stay away from this unless they can get Laf for cheap.

You don’t know if he is another Yakupov or not. That doesn’t mean the Rangers deal him for Penny on the dollars either. Lafreniere is still young, hasn’t been put in a position to succeed and unlike Yakupov he is not causing another off the ice problems, there’s no work ethic problems. Lafreniere is the victim of a very top heavy Rangers. I don’t think Lafreniere is an untouchable anymore but that doesn’t mean the Rangers are going to take just any offer to get him out of town either.

 

[Savant]

Horvatt is the Canucks best player.

Sorry to hear that.

 

[Savant]

Just pointing out right now that Lucas Raymond taken at #4 is playing far better then #1 Alexis Lafreniere and will probably have the better career of the two.

Not saying Raymond isn’t good but you put Lafreniere on Detroit on Raymond’s line and you put Raymond on the Rangers with Chytil and Gauthier and not give him any power play time and I bet those numbers start to look a lot closer.

Raymond is in a good situation. Lafreniere is on a bad situation.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Horvatt is the Canucks best player.

Lol. He is absolutely not.

 

[BB88]

Just pointing out right now that Lucas Raymond taken at #4 is playing far better then #1 Alexis Lafreniere and will probably have the better career of the two.

There’s multiple guys outplaying him

 

[gianni]

My point is that if you treat laffy as just a 10 point guy after his draft plus 2 season then Podkozin is just a fourth line energy guy after his draft +3 season.

Just because the Rangers are one of the best teams in the league and Vancouver is one of the worst doesn't mean they should treat their prospect assets that differently.

There's just a 15-week age difference between the two. Maybe Laffy looked dominant pre-draft b/c he was a 2001-born player being compared to a bunch of 2002-born players. At that age, there's a significant advantage in having (up to) a year more in physical/skill development.

Laf is obviously still a good prospect, but I don't feel he has the generational ceiling some believed. He might have potential to be a 1st-liner, but he has work to do.

 

[kcunac]

Laf has bust potential. In the other hand, Miller just single handedly beat the Jets. Is Laf’s ceiling even higher the what Miller currently is?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Laf has bust potential. In the other hand, Miller just single handedly beat the Jets. Is Laf’s ceiling even higher the what Miller currently is?

Yes. It is. The kid is not getting enough minutes as currently he’s playing on team where he is behind 1. The leagues leading goal scorer 2. Artemi panarin. Hell get there but it’s going to take longer than usual with the limited ice time he’s getting.

 

[BB88]

Yes. It is. The kid is not getting enough minutes as currently he’s playing on team where he is behind 1. The leagues leading goal scorer 2. Artemi panarin. Hell get there but it’s going to take longer than usual with the limited ice time he’s getting.

It hasn’t been just about minutes with him.

 

[The Burdened]

Not saying Raymond isn’t good but you put Lafreniere on Detroit on Raymond’s line and you put Raymond on the Rangers with Chytil and Gauthier and not give him any power play time and I bet those numbers start to look a lot closer.

Raymond is in a good situation. Lafreniere is on a bad situation.

Lafreniere's work ethic is why Lafreniere is in a bad situation

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

It hasn’t been just about minutes with him.

I disagree, it all goes back to confidence. He gets exactly ZERO time on PP1, and is getting maybe 13 mins a game even strength. It's not enough for a player to build the confidence they need. He has all the talent, skill and grit we all thought he did coming in, he's just not being utilized in a fashion that he can develop those skills quickly at this level. If he moved to a team where he would get legit top 6 minutes and PP time, I have literally zero doubt that he would be immediately impactful.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I disagree, it all goes back to confidence. He gets exactly ZERO time on PP1, and is getting maybe 13 mins a game even strength. It's not enough for a player to build the confidence they need. He has all the talent, skill and grit we all thought he did coming in, he's just not being utilized in a fashion that he can develop those skills quickly at this level. If he moved to a team where he would get legit top 6 minutes and PP time, I have literally zero doubt that he would be immediately impactful.

We need to either stick him at RW, Kreider at RW or put Panarin on Kreider's line.

 

[BB88]

I disagree, it all goes back to confidence. He gets exactly ZERO time on PP1, and is getting maybe 13 mins a game even strength. It's not enough for a player to build the confidence they need. He has all the talent, skill and grit we all thought he did coming in, he's just not being utilized in a fashion that he can develop those skills quickly at this level. If he moved to a team where he would get legit top 6 minutes and PP time, I have literally zero doubt that he would be immediately impactful.

Are you sure he has those?
Because I haven’t seen anything from him that could suggest elite player later.


Maybe he turns into elite but so far he has shown zero signs for it.
He’s not the fastest skater, doesn’t have the best shot, limited skill set

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Yes. It is. The kid is not getting enough minutes as currently he’s playing on team where he is behind 1. The leagues leading goal scorer 2. Artemi panarin. Hell get there but it’s going to take longer than usual with the limited ice time he’s getting.

But has he played well enough to earn those minutes?
has he shown enough to be in the NHL?

Sometimes its about the minutes, linemates, role,
sometimes its not.

Time will tell which one it was for Lafreniere.

 

[Vitto79]

Brooks is on crack

 

[Artorius Horus T]

I disagree, it all goes back to confidence. He gets exactly ZERO time on PP1, and is getting maybe 13 mins a game even strength. It's not enough for a player to build the confidence they need. He has all the talent, skill and grit we all thought he did coming in, he's just not being utilized in a fashion that he can develop those skills quickly at this level. If he moved to a team where he would get legit top 6 minutes and PP time, I have literally zero doubt that he would be immediately impactful.

He could get those minutes in the AHL you know.
- in the AHL he could get 1st pp duties, 21-23 minutes per game

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Confidence is a strange little animal, that can be a good companion
or in the other hand, a bad companion.

You play great in the juniors, you are a star, you get the media attention,
you get drafted 1st overall, all that gives you a huge confidence boost.

But the thing is, if you forget to keep working on your game,
continue to develop, train hard and such, all that confidence backfires.

That said, there is a seed of truth in your words and parts of it, do agree
however, i have learned that, its not that simple. - i once thought it was

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

He could get those minutes in the AHL you know.
- in the AHL he could get 1st pp duties, 21-23 minutes per game

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Confidence is a strange little animal, that can be a good companion
or in the other hand, a bad companion.

You play great in the juniors, you are a star, you get the media attention,
you get drafted 1st overall, all that gives you a huge confidence boost.

But the thing is, if you forget to keep working on your game,
continue to develop, train hard and such, all that confidence backfires.

That said, there is a seed of truth in your words and parts of it, do agree
however, i have learned that, its not that simple. - i once thought it was

I think Alexis has the personality to make his game work in the NHL. He's not Yakupov, he is genuinely a good kid with great work ethic and does not show big ego that will detriment his development. I actually think he could have/should have spent a little time in the AHL, becoming a main piece down there playing against grown men. Again, I think he will get there. He's played 98 NHL games with limited minutes and basically no powerplay time - in a strange time with covid ect. Do we all wish he would be a 60-70 point player by now? Sure...but it's kind of unfair to compare him to other rookies who are playing 18-20 mins a night and getting pp1 time. It's just not the experience he's getting on the Rangers.

 

[Savant]

Lafreniere's work ethic is why Lafreniere is in a bad situation

Prove it. He is in a bad situation because he can’t get ahead of Kreider and Panarin on the depth chart so he has to play with donkeys.

 

[bernmeister]

Of course it’s possible that he isn’t as good as advertised. But the opposite can be true too. Rangers are lousy at developing young forwards and haven’t put him in a position to succeed. Both things can be true.

all I am saying is the Rangers won’t simply give him away regardless on if his has lost some shine or not. So yeah, Lafreniere could be better, but Vancouver would also need to pay up.

The "first overall" shine is running out quick. If next year is disappointing, I don't think he can fetch more than a late first at that point in time.

With all the crazy hype around his minor league production (and comparisons to Crosby), I actually did some research and he's not even close to the top for career PPG in the QMJHL.

Ehlers, Radulov and Drouin all have higher career PPG in the Q.

Giroux and Lafreniere have similar QMJHL PPGs and yet Laffy was a generational prospect and Giroux was picked 22nd overall?

QMJHL is notoriously a weak league too. Laffy might be go down as one of the most overhyped prospects of all time if he continues his trajectory of a top six winger.

Agreed, but i also think it's about sunken cost for the team that has the under performing #1 pick.

Ranger's fans that think they are getting a first on top of Miller or EP straight up (who JR deems as untouchable along with Hughes and Demko) for Lafreniere are delusional.

Laf is very overrated for a 1st overall pick that has not shown much. How do we know he isnt another Yakupov? I say Canucks should stay away from this unless they can get Laf for cheap.

Miller >>>>>>> Schneider
Miller >>>>>>>Schneider + 2022 1st (25 to 32 OA)
Miller >>>>>>> Schneider, Othmann and a 2022 1st is close

None of those pieces help the Rangers with a Stanley Cup in the next 2 years

Now, if you want to argue, sure we will help with retention, and maybe Motte
But you will owe us for that too!
That is how good Miller is! And that is how close you guys are to a cup.......damned close!


And no body will get you any closer to the cup before Panarin and Kreider start to decline
Because cap will stall you out!

Laf has bust potential. In the other hand, Miller just single handedly beat the Jets. Is Laf’s ceiling even higher the what Miller currently is?

I disagree, it all goes back to confidence. He gets exactly ZERO time on PP1, and is getting maybe 13 mins a game even strength. It's not enough for a player to build the confidence they need. He has all the talent, skill and grit we all thought he did coming in, he's just not being utilized in a fashion that he can develop those skills quickly at this level. If he moved to a team where he would get legit top 6 minutes and PP time, I have literally zero doubt that he would be immediately impactful.

Let's attempt a modicum of objectivity here.

LaF is NOT another Lias Andersson who was/is a complete and total epic fail.

Those looking carefully can discern one weak link in his game, and do not overreact as we see progress and note it can be overcome. LaF's shot, this, that, all = high end NHL quality which is why he got rated as, to effect of, best non-generational top selection option since MacKinnon. Where he is not yet up to par is his skating. He needs more physical control to move his legs better, etc., etc.
His skating has improved since we got him and he made the varsity right away, but he needs to turn a final corner or 2. We estimate this can be almost there by mid of next season w/continued improvement along the way.

So unless someone is gonna overpay where it is assumed best case scenario for NY and that happens and there is STILL signif overpay for him at that level, too much to turn down, it makes sense for Rangers to keep.

NO DEAL to Van, here there, anywhere and IF he is dealt, it would be highest bidder and that is likely to be MON.

Sounds like Kupo is worried his team is about to give up some prime assets for Miller.

Naw, that is usually my job, @Kupo was just being nice and holding down the fort a bit.

I don't trust Drury based on his stupidity and arrogance relative to the Krav situation, CD, works for me and all other rangers fans, but other than maybe Slats and def Dolan, there is nobody to stop him from his ego effing it up here.

Rangers can only deal vets for vets or vets for youth; cannot deal youth for vets, b'c unavoidable cap consequences.

And just as I have never forgiven Cat Francis for dealing Park + Ratelle for Espo + Vadnais, I will continue to note anytime I am right and mgmt [which is usually but not always correct] gets it wrong.