Speculation: Larry Brooks: Canucks possibly going to make a run at Lafreniere

[Buresflyingelbow]

Canucks aren't trading Petey, so that part can be put to bed.

Regarding Laf, I have no problem with taking a gamble on that kind of talent. Yeah, he hasn't shown much yet but if he had he would be absolutely untouchabe.

I could see the Canucks offering Boeser and a 2nd, but the problem is that Boeser is RFA with a 7.5 million dollar QA.

But he would fit that team like a glove.

You are going to need some top end talent back to play some minutes. I’d like to see a Boeser for Laine swap as they are both young and could use a change of scenery. Then get your haul for Miller and create some cap space. Laine is speed and skill with youth and both are around the same cap. Asses Horvat at the next deadline if he’s willing to stay.

 

[ThatsSoSlavin]

Wouldn’t they be selling low? He’s not doing much right?

Yah but he’s still young and a first overall pick, selling high now vs waiting and him not doing anything, he’s still a valuable piece

 

[Tempo]

I don’t see how Lafrenière can figure things out in Vancouver if he couldn’t do it in NY.

If I am trading JT Miller away, I would want someone who has an upward trajectory instead of downward.

Being a past #1 overall has no value. It’s all about present and future value, and at this point, there isn’t much either.

 

[smoneil]

Nobody is going to "pay up" for someone who has 11 points in 41 games.

The 1OA shine has been long gone. Is it possible he's just not as good as advertised?

Interesting bit of information. Gallant is big on players filling certain "roles." Top six LW roles are taken (Panarin and Kreider). None of the 3 LW's plays well/is comfortable on the RW. So Laf has been in the bottom six and is being asked to play a bottom six role. He doesn't take many chances. He focuses on defense and hitting. By instruction.

But this is just narrative, right? Believing what I want to believe, right? Did you ever wonder how a guy with 11 points in 41 games has a 16.7% shooting percentage? In 28 games this season, Laf has taken 1 or zero shots on goal. In those 28 games? He's scored 2 points. In the other 13 games, he put up 2 or more shots on goal. In those 13 games, he's put up 9 of his 11 points. That extrapolates out to 57 even strength points in an 82 game season. When he gets into a top six "role," this kid is going to shut some mouths in here.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I don’t see how Lafrenière can figure things out in Vancouver if he couldn’t do it in NY.

If I am trading JT Miller away, I would want someone who has an upward trajectory instead of downward.

Being a past #1 overall has no value. It’s all about present and future value, and at this point, there isn’t much either.

Being a recent number 1 absolutely has value.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Laf isn't worth Miller atp

These boards are brutal when people post this. You honestly believe 1.5 years of J.T. Miller really holds more trade value than the 2020 1st overall?

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

You are going to need some top end talent back to play some minutes. I’d like to see a Boeser for Laine swap as they are both young and could use a change of scenery. Then get your haul for Miller and create some cap space. Laine is speed and skill with youth and both are around the same cap. Asses Horvat at the next deadline if he’s willing to stay.

But again, if we're doing a bit of a soft reboot, it's not about winning the trade today, it's about possibly hitting a homerun for down the road.

I'm not opposed to trying to get Laine depending on cost (both trade and upcoming contract) but I think gambling on a recent 1st overall isn't the worst call.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Interesting bit of information. Gallant is big on players filling certain "roles." Top six LW roles are taken (Panarin and Kreider). None of the 3 LW's plays well/is comfortable on the RW. So Laf has been in the bottom six and is being asked to play a bottom six role. He doesn't take many chances. He focuses on defense and hitting. By instruction.

But this is just narrative, right? Believing what I want to believe, right? Did you ever wonder how a guy with 11 points in 41 games has a 16.7% shooting percentage? In 28 games this season, Laf has taken 1 or zero shots on goal. In those 28 games? He's scored 2 points. In the other 13 games, he put up 2 or more shots on goal. In those 13 games, he's put up 9 of his 11 points. That extrapolates out to 57 even strength points in an 82 game season. When he gets into a top six "role," this kid is going to shut some mouths in here.

Thing is, low shots is a bad sign. To be clear, I'm not kneejerk calling Laf a bust and I wouldn't be opposed to trying to trade for him if it's not too expensive.

But it's not a good sign if he is that irrelevant to the play. I get the deployment issue. But a good rule of thumb for sports, and life, is that you can control the process but not the outcome. If he was getting 3 shots a game and had 11 points you would have to say he was due and his PDO would sort itself out. If he's barely factoring in offensive chances, that's a bad sign.

 

[bernmeister]

LaF should not be traded unless there is overpay, which is more likely to come from MON than anywhere else.
no to Brooks' clickbait

 

[Nothingbutglass]

These boards are brutal when people post this. You honestly believe 1.5 years of J.T. Miller really holds more trade value than the 2020 1st overall?

When the 2020 1st overall cant play? yup...

 

[Toss it to Tanti]

I was pondering the idea earlier.. What if the Canucks were to find a trade scenario (as unlikely as that would be), and then flip him to Montreal for Suzuki + Guhle + (pick?).

Would be a fun world to live in.

As for this "rumour" I think theres a better chance I end up centring the Canucks 2nd line this year than Laf does. Brooks is a hack.

 

[smoneil]

Thing is, low shots is a bad sign. To be clear, I'm not kneejerk calling Laf a bust and I wouldn't be opposed to trying to trade for him if it's not too expensive.

But it's not a good sign if he is that irrelevant to the play. I get the deployment issue. But a good rule of thumb for sports, and life, is that you can control the process but not the outcome. If he was getting 3 shots a game and had 11 points you would have to say he was due and his PDO would sort itself out. If he's barely factoring in offensive chances, that's a bad sign.

Thing is, he's being told to play a role that isn't about offense. His goal on the ice isn't to get shots in his role. It's to hit, keep possession, and give the top two lines time to get air. That's the way (a way I think is stupid) they are developing both him and Kakko (whose role is to clean up the defensive messes on his line). He had no trouble shooting the puck in juniors, and I see no reason that he will have any problem doing so once put in that role here. He's just stuck behind one of the best players in the league (Panarin) and one of the hottest goal-scorers in the league (Kreider) on a team where the roles are defined by the coach's system rather than his personnel.

 

[BWJM]

Canucks won't trade Horvat. The guy loves Vancouver and will likely sign a reasonable long term contract to stay here.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think Larry stopped doing any investigative due diligence about 17 years ago.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Nobody is going to "pay up" for someone who has 11 points in 41 games.

The 1OA shine has been long gone. Is it possible he's just not as good as advertised?

That's 1 more point than Podkozin.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Thing is, he's being told to play a role that isn't about offense. His goal on the ice isn't to get shots in his role. It's to hit, keep possession, and give the top two lines time to get air. That's the way (a way I think is stupid) they are developing both him and Kakko (whose role is to clean up the defensive messes on his line). He had no trouble shooting the puck in juniors, and I see no reason that he will have any problem doing so once put in that role here. He's just stuck behind one of the best players in the league (Panarin) and one of the hottest goal-scorers in the league (Kreider) on a team where the roles are defined by the coach's system rather than his personnel.

Then why did they draft him if he was such a bad fit and they were going to stick him in the lineup right away? They could have traded pick for a ransom forsmall move down and picked a player they wanted.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

When he gets into a top six "role," this kid is going to shut some mouths in here.

Thankfully there's no LW's on the Rangers that are significantly better and signed long-term.

 

[lawrence]

Larry Brooks says, "Made ye look!"

ye tricked me !

 

[GOilers88]

I don’t see how Lafrenière can figure things out in Vancouver if he couldn’t do it in NY.

If I am trading JT Miller away, I would want someone who has an upward trajectory instead of downward.

Being a past #1 overall has no value. It’s all about present and future value, and at this point, there isn’t much either.

Draft position has nothing but value on this site, are you kidding?

 

[Quinning]

Canucks won't trade Horvat. The guy loves Vancouver and will likely sign a reasonable long term contract to stay here.

He has publicly stated he has no desire to partake in another rebuild though.

 

[deathb4disco]

Everyone saying Laf is a bust should go take a look at JT Miller's 1st 3 years

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Interesting bit of information. Gallant is big on players filling certain "roles." Top six LW roles are taken (Panarin and Kreider). None of the 3 LW's plays well/is comfortable on the RW. So Laf has been in the bottom six and is being asked to play a bottom six role. He doesn't take many chances. He focuses on defense and hitting. By instruction.

But this is just narrative, right? Believing what I want to believe, right? Did you ever wonder how a guy with 11 points in 41 games has a 16.7% shooting percentage? In 28 games this season, Laf has taken 1 or zero shots on goal. In those 28 games? He's scored 2 points. In the other 13 games, he put up 2 or more shots on goal. In those 13 games, he's put up 9 of his 11 points. That extrapolates out to 57 even strength points in an 82 game season. When he gets into a top six "role," this kid is going to shut some mouths in here.

What kind of nonsense logic is this?

You mean to tell me that when goal scorers take more shots, they usually score more points?

Well if that's the case, Lafreniere should probably just start shooting more.

 

[Lenerdosy]

i dont really understand the logistics behind it. Why would the Rangers want to give up on a #1 overall pick 2 years in? And why would Vancouver trade their captain for him?

idk but would be interesting

Rangers feel they are in a window with ELC players? idk doesnt seem like sense to me

 

[smoneil]

Then why did they draft him if he was such a bad fit and they were going to stick him in the lineup right away? They could have traded pick for a ransom forsmall move down and picked a player they wanted.

Other than the one they traded for (4th overall in the late 1990s), the Rangers had never had a top 5 draft pick in the modern era (ie: after the league expanded beyond six teams). This was a once-in-a-franchise opportunity for the team, and they were never going to trade that pick. And Laf was the clear consensus #1. On top of that, they may have assumed that one of the three could play RW, or that Kreider would slow down in a year or two and end up on the 3rd line (that's what we all assumed. None of us saw Kreider leading the league in goals at the halfway mark, I can tell you that). And it's clear that they think he will still develop if he spends a year or three learning the defensive side of the game before eventually moving up. I can see their reasoning. I don't agree with it (I think minutes are crucial to long-term development), but you can see the production when opens up his offense a bit more, and I see the kid having a lot of success in the league.

 

[smoneil]

What kind of nonsense logic is this?

You mean to tell me that when goal scorers take more shots, they usually score more points?

Well if that's the case, Lafreniere should probably just start shooting more.

Hey look, it's the anti-Rangers Devils fan troll. Who'd a thunk he'd show up in a thread about two teams that have nothing to do with his favorite team.