Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

[WinterLion]

Well at least we know he is a bust now.


And more importantly I'm sure we can get a bunch of great stuff for Hutson, Kidney and a 2nd

 

[the valiant effort]

Hutson was just channeling Ray Bourque. Hall of Fame career confirmed

 

[HuGort]

Is Hutson going back to college for sure? Way he played in World Championships looked like he is NHL close

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Good question about toes first tactic here…..

I’ll say this : Get used to it.

We’re seeing more and more defensemen defending with forward skating and angling. It’s a more aggressive approach to dictate the play. Should be used if you have back pressure - which he had. Having said that, it’s a skill that has to be honed, and Hutson didn’t play this one well.

He could have been caught off guard by the speed the forward generated with the clean zone exit. The German player’s been compared to Carl Hagelin. Probably faster than what the kid is used to.

That is not what Hutson was doing and yes dmen are being taught to be more aggressive and kill plays but when that is not an option as it clearly was not here he needs to pivot to a backskate posture.

Dmen are being taught to wait longer to pivot and close the gap as much as possible while still leaving the option for a pivot if they can't get to the attacker. In 1 on 1 situations where there isn't any support they are taught to enter a back skating posture to limit options and allow backcheckers to get back into the play.

In this case Lane had a clear opportunity to pivot and chose not to like he always does and was made to look foolish. No defender at any level of hockey is being taught to solely defend from a forward skating posture, they are only being taught to only pivot when they need to and Lane clearly needed to pivot on the first inside fake. He had a ton of time to assess the situation as the break out was linear and predictable and should have easily been defended. The fact that this rush ended up in a wide open shot from the faceoff dot and where Lane was at his own blueline when the rush started from the opponents goalline is absolutely horrendous defence....there is no other way to paint it.

I hear people leaning into their bias to defend this play but they would be the first people to crucify Edmundson/Savard if they were in Lane's shoes.

I feel like I need to say it again but I like Lane Hutson a lot and pointing out flaws in 19 year old dmen should not be treated as sacrilege.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Well at least we know he is a bust now.


And more importantly I'm sure we can get a bunch of great stuff for Hutson, Kidney and a 2nd

Congratulations on the hyperbole.

It is really helpful for conversation's purposes when someone dismisses the entire point of people to present such an opinion.

You have outdone yourself, good sir.

 

[Belial]

What are you talking about?

That couldn't be more wrong. So you are implying that dmen don't back skate in 3 on 3 situations? Lane defended like a forward like he always does in these situations and got turned by inside/outside fakes because he was not in a proper back skating defensive posture. Who said anything about sitting back and waiting for the other team to attack? Lane was supposed to maintain gap control and pivot to a back skate and use back crossovers while reamaining square to the attacker. This makes the inside/outside moves far less effective and gives Lane an exponentially greater chance of disrupting the attacker. These are the most basic principles of defending a 1 on 1 and is why forwards get annihilated much like Lane did because they don't pivot and use back crossovers well enough to keep up with the attacker.

I honestly don't even know why this is a conversation that needs to take place.

He got cut at the blue line, he was probably too aggressive, and it was too late for him to start skating backward! End of the story.

 

[Ozmodiar]

That is not what Hutson was doing and yes dmen are being taught to be more aggressive and kill plays but when that is not an option as it clearly was not here he needs to pivot to a backskate posture.

Dmen are being taught to wait longer to pivot and close the gap as much as possible while still leaving the option for a pivot if they can't get to the attacker. In 1 on 1 situations where there isn't any support they are taught to enter a back skating posture to limit options and allow backcheckers to get back into the play.

In this case Lane had a clear opportunity to pivot and chose not to like he always does and was made to look foolish. No defender at any level of hockey is being taught to solely defend from a forward skating posture, they are only being taught to only pivot when they need to and Lane clearly needed to pivot on the first inside fake. He had a ton of time to assess the situation as the break out was linear and predictable and should have easily been defended. The fact that this rush ended up in a wide open shot from the faceoff dot and where Lane was at his own blueline when the rush started from the opponents goalline is absolutely horrendous defence....there is no other way to paint it.

I hear people leaning into their bias to defend this play but they would be the first people to crucify Edmundson/Savard if they were in Lane's shoes.

I feel like I need to say it again but I like Lane Hutson a lot and pointing out flaws in 19 year old dmen should not be treated as sacrilege.

He certainly was trying to angle him but was caught off guard and couldn’t skate in the arc that’s needed. The player was on him too quickly. (Maybe not so quick to those watching on TV)

You think “he needed” to do something else. That’s fine. … I was just saying what actually happened - him trying to angle.

BTW, you should re-watch the play if you think he was at his own blue line when the breakout began. Not the case at all - he was closer to the offensive BL. If he was at his own blue line, he’d have no chance of gapping-up there - the tactic you describe wouldn’t have helped anyway.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Skating backwards is overrated anyway…

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He got cut at the blue line, he was probably too aggressive, and it was too late for him to start skating backward! End of the story.

It isn't end of story lol.

He was supposed to pivot to his back skate and seal the inside but he did not, he did what he always does and stayed in a forward skating stance and got clowned like he has on previous occasions this season and last. He has avoided back skating in this scenario all season long because he can't back skate and defend at the same time especially at that speed which is just routine for NHL defenders.

Everyone who has ever played the game at any respectable level knows that having a defender skating in the forward position when you are on him like that is absolute gold for forwards attacking on a 1 on 1.

Defending this just reeks of confirmation bias tbh. It is ok for a part of his game to suck and for you to admit it and just acknowledge that it is something that he needs to put some serious work into fixing. I have called out this exact scenario previously of him getting burnt by inside/outside moves on the rush because he can't pivot do back crossovers with any level of competence in game situations. I don't see the usual suspects searching my posts for that exact quote lol.

In the end we both are cheering for the same team and we both think Lane Hutson is a great prospect so perhaps climb out of the rabbit hole of excuses and just admit that there is a problem......it really is not that big of a deal and it is unthinkable that he doesn't correct it.

Skating backwards is overrated anyway…

Watch the playoffs and tell me that with a straight face. It is an absolute must for a dman....you can not play in the NHL as a defenceman if you can't defend while accelerating with back crossovers especially if you are Lane's size and rely on your stick because you can't kill plays with your body. Watch Jared Spurgeon play and it will be abundantly clear just how important this skill is.

 

[Belial]

In the end we both are cheering for the same team and we both think Lane Hutson is a great prospect so perhaps climb out of the rabbit hole of excuses and just admit that there is a problem......it really is not that big of a deal and it is unthinkable that he doesn't correct it.

I admit that he's not Shea Weber defensively! Not even Kayden Ghule level or Jordan Harris but his offensive repertoire is something out of this world...

Can you accept that is the main question?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He certainly was trying to angle him but was caught off guard and couldn’t skate in the arc that’s needed. The player was on him too quickly. (Maybe not so quick to those watching on TV)

You think “he needed” to do something else. That’s fine. … I was just saying what actually happened - him trying to angle.

BTW, you should re-watch the play if you think he was at his own blue line when the breakout began. Not the case at all - he was closer to the offensive BL. If he was at his own blue line, he’d have no chance of gapping-up there - the tactic you describe wouldn’t have helped anyway.

I have watched it and he was just above his own blue line , you can clearly see him from the opponents view behind their net. He moved up as the first pass was made but It doesn't matter anyways, you don't get taken by surprise by a player who is coming from 75 ft away any more than you do from 100 ft. The "caught off guard" or caught being "too aggressive" narratives don't hold any water when you watch a player skate from over around 100 feet away straight towards you and you get absolutely clowned. Lane started from the right side of his own blueline but inexplicably moved to the middle despite a lack of a weak side threat, this was a huge mistake which removed any chance of him killing the play so his first move should have been 45 degrees backwards to his right but he instead took a terrible lateral route. The fatal mistake was in the first inside fake where Lane like any other pro defender should have pivoted hard into a backskate and then move towards the defender where he could face him up and use his body to seal the outside and his stick to protect against/disrupt an inside attack. The attacker would not have ever made it to the dot with an uncontested shot if Lane does this and the goal very likely does not happen.

I admit that he's not Shea Weber defensively! Not even Kayden Ghule level or Jordan Harris but his offensive repertoire is something out of this world...

Can you accept that is the main question?

Absolutely, I think he is a stud but I am only pointing out a serious flaw that we need to see fixed.

 

[Mrb1p]

This is hilarious lol. Hutson is never gonna be good defensively, he's a 5' negative offensive player, live with it, thats what hes gonna do all his career and hes probably gonna play 1000 games.

Id much rather my player gets burned once every two weeks and scores like 10 goals between those moments than have Danault hold to the tip of his finger and bend the defensive elastic so far its almost up my crotch and see him score a goal bouncing off Pamela Andersons left tit and Betty Whites right bun to score on McMeister the 69th string goalie for his 8th goal in 87 games.

 

[Belial]

This is hilarious lol. Hutson is never gonna be good defensively, he's a 5' negative offensive player, live with it, thats what hes gonna do all his career and hes probably gonna play 1000 games.

Id much rather my player gets burned once every two weeks and scores like 10 goals between those moments than have Danault hold to the tip of his finger and bend the defensive elastic so far its almost up my crotch and see him score a goal bouncing off Pamela Andersons left tit and Betty Whites right bun to score on McMeister the 69th string goalie for his 8th goal in 87 games.

That's mainly the reason you have no idea what you're talking about.

You're an artist apparently, but artists don't win cups, unfortunately...

 

[Kimota]

Let's not go nuts on one play. Because....

 

[Kojo]

This is hilarious lol. Hutson is never gonna be good defensively, he's a 5' negative offensive player, live with it, thats what hes gonna do all his career and hes probably gonna play 1000 games.

Id much rather my player gets burned once every two weeks and scores like 10 goals between those moments than have Danault hold to the tip of his finger and bend the defensive elastic so far its almost up my crotch and see him score a goal bouncing off Pamela Andersons left tit and Betty Whites right bun to score on McMeister the 69th string goalie for his 8th goal in 87 games.

Do you do this on purpose or is this your real opinion? I don't even understand what you're trying to say.

Meanwhile, how is our boy Lane Hutson doing? Like for real.

 

[Mrb1p]

That's mainly the reason you have no idea what you're talking about.

You're an artist apparently, but artists don't win cups, unfortunately...

Hutson is a hab, you forgot to cheer for him?

Do you do this on purpose or is this your real opinion? I don't even understand what you're trying to say.

Meanwhile, how is our boy Lane Hutson doing? Like for real.

Do what on purpose? Dunk on Drano? Yeah, I hated every second of his tenure here, is this news? Hutsons doing just fine, who cares if he got scored on by playing at best a 50/50 defense.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

2nd round pick pure OFFENSIVE DMAN gets scorched to death to be awful defensively while we shelter Mesar whos god garbage and Slaf who showed nothing elite.
But Hutson is where we draw the line in errors.

Lmao this board

You think Vancouver gives a shit about Hugues being a blackhole defensively?
Or Edmonton having Draisailt playing defensively as good like Marc Andre Bergeron?

Who cares if Hutson gets 40-45 points in the NHL and he makes our PP go from 31-32th to top 10 , Ill be f***ing happy.

Better than some Vanilla Edmundson Wideman Savard Harris.

This is hilarious since Matheson is also dogshit defensively and yet nobody cares.

Also Subban is better than Weber , haters gonna hate

Also you can learn to play defensively but you can't learn to have raw instinct.

 

[NotProkofievian]

2nd round pick pure OFFENSIVE DMAN gets scorched to death to be awful defensively while we shelter Mesar whos god garbage and Slaf who showed nothing elite.
But Hutson is where we draw the line in errors.

Lmao this board

You think Vancouver gives a shit about Hugues being a blackhole defensively?
Or Edmonton having Draisailt playing defensively as good like Marc Andre Bergeron?

Who cares if Hutson gets 40-45 points in the NHL and he makes our PP go from 31-32th to top 10 , Ill be f***ing happy.

Better than some Vanilla Edmundson Wideman Savard Harris.

This is hilarious since Matheson is also dogshit defensively and yet nobody cares.

Also Subban is better than Weber , haters gonna hate

Also you can learn to play defensively but you can't learn to have raw instinct.

Primarily offensive players are always lightning rods for criticism. There's a thread on the mainboard where people are talking themselves out of just about every single high octane offensive player in this draft, and I don't think that's a coincidence.

People would rather play a game where they have 50% chance of winning a dollar, than 15% chance that they could win 20 dollars. People are way, way more loss averse than they are profit seeking.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Primarily offensive players are always lightning rods for criticism. There's a thread on the mainboard where people are talking themselves out of just about every single high octane offensive player in this draft, and I don't think that's a coincidence.

People would rather play a game where they have 50% chance of winning a dollar, than 15% chance that they could win 20 dollars. People are way, way more loss averse than they are profit seeking.
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Id rather have 30% chance to be amazed and have better odds
or 50% , its lose or win anyways.

I dont understand why people are worried , aint we tired to have 0 raw talent. Do people love to watch Edmundson Savard or Anderson?
Caufield is a glimpse of raw skill , so yeah id rather go with the higher reward. You don't win when you stay in the middle.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Id rather have 30% chance to be amazed and have better odds
or 50% , its lose or win anyways.

I dont understand why people are worried , aint we tired to have 0 raw talent. Do people love to watch Edmundson Savard or Anderson?
Caufield is a glimpse of raw skill , so yeah id rather go with the higher reward. You don't win when you stay in the middle.

I do think some people would rather have lunchpail players than superstars. It's been so long since we had one in Montreal I think people have started to reject the possibility of it ever happening. The only success we have had is through grining deez guys and pricerstopdapuck. But we haven't had very much success.

It just seems more real to people that we could have some Danaults than we could have a Kucherov, so I get it. I don't agree with it, but I get it.

 

[WeThreeKings]

As soon as that goal went in, i knew exactly what the discourse in here would be, regardless of all the great things that happened prior to it.

You're as bad as your worst moment and you're never as good as your best moment here, and it will never change.

 

[OldCraig71]

As soon as that goal went in, i knew exactly what the discourse in here would be, regardless of all the great things that happened prior to it.

You're as bad as your worst moment and you're never as good as your best moment here, and it will never change.

I asked about him skating back in a manner that resembled what a forward would do and it seems I sparked a shit storm lol. Once he was in that position he was only able to play the puck and that doesn't usually end well. I don't follow his game at all and just commented with no ill intent but lately, I am getting slammed for innocent comments in a variety of threads and it may be time for me to step back or simply stop posting on HF habs permanently.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I asked about him skating back in a manner that resembled what a forward would do and it seems I sparked a shit storm lol. Once he was in that position he was only able to play the puck and that doesn't usually end well. I don't follow his game at all and just commented with no ill intent but lately, I am getting slammed for innocent comments in a variety of threads and it may be time for me to step back or simply stop posting on HF habs permanently.

Wasn't directed at you, you're my Boy, Blue.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I asked about him skating back in a manner that resembled what a forward would do and it seems I sparked a shit storm lol. Once he was in that position he was only able to play the puck and that doesn't usually end well. I don't follow his game at all and just commented with no ill intent but lately, I am getting slammed for innocent comments in a variety of threads and it may be time for me to step back or simply stop posting on HF habs permanently.

Exactly, I have been attacked over and over by the same people for being correct. It doesn't matter how much I say that I wanted us to pick him or that I think he is a stud or how often I mention his elite skill set. All these people want to do is attack me for exposing a weakness that is plain as day, it is honestly pathetic and not worth my time. I am absolutely forced to keep talking about it because they keep bringing it up. It is like saying 1 +1 = 2 everyday and 1+ 1 = 2 deniers keep popping up out of the woodwork.

It would be so great to have NHL coaches on here to put people in their place so that I wouldn't have to deal with the personal attacks that I am doing my best to remain civil with.

This is a board where the most knowledgeable hockey fans in the world should be sharing critical analysis and that does happen but unfortunately there is a large contingent of tribal, emotionally charged and bias driven fans that make the experience gross and have already driven some of the better posters to either not post as much or to entirely stop posting altogether.

This is why great minds like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have stepped back from the spotlight in the real world because they end up in circular arguments with people who are not interested in truth but would rather defend dogmatic tribal beliefs that make them feel safe.

To be clear I am not saying that I have a "great mind" lol as I can assure you that I do not, nor am I always right but I do care about what is true.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I asked about him skating back in a manner that resembled what a forward would do and it seems I sparked a shit storm lol. Once he was in that position he was only able to play the puck and that doesn't usually end well. I don't follow his game at all and just commented with no ill intent but lately, I am getting slammed for innocent comments in a variety of threads and it may be time for me to step back or simply stop posting on HF habs permanently.

This place is sometimes a shitshow. Don't let it get you down.

Hutson is a good player. He has to work on his defense. That particular play in OT wasn't great. However, 3-on-3 is a crapshoot anyway, so whatever.

Not sure why there's controversy since all of these things are pretty obvious.