Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

[Whitesnake]

I asked about him skating back in a manner that resembled what a forward would do and it seems I sparked a shit storm lol. Once he was in that position he was only able to play the puck and that doesn't usually end well. I don't follow his game at all and just commented with no ill intent but lately, I am getting slammed for innocent comments in a variety of threads and it may be time for me to step back or simply stop posting on HF habs permanently.

Yeah, it makes no sense. Everybody can be questioned. And in the end, we will have our final answer once they reach the NHL. I will never understand people taking a hard stance while players are in juniors....lol. As if it was the final destination. I personnally question the Mesar pick vs Kulich...but in the end, we will know later on. So we can have opinions, that's what a board is. And people should be adult enough to take them.

There is a reason the kid was chosen that late. He has things to work on.

Having said that....there were obviously reactions, not yours, that were over the top. But I guess that's the name of the game.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

As soon as that goal went in, i knew exactly what the discourse in here would be, regardless of all the great things that happened prior to it.

You're as bad as your worst moment and you're never as good as your best moment here, and it will never change.

Here's the thing though: noone meant to disregard the good things.

Some fans are so over the board optimistic about Lane that they jump at the throat of anyone pointing out a flaw. There was noone in here saying Lane sucks.

You decide which behavior is more aggressive.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Haters took turns at bashing Lane but that's because they are jealous. These idiots even spammed his mom page how low can you go? Embarrassing.

 

[OldCraig71]

Yeah, it makes no sense. Everybody can be questioned. And in the end, we will have our final answer once they reach the NHL. I will never understand people taking a hard stance while players are in juniors....lol. As if it was the final destination. I personnally question the Mesar pick vs Kulich...but in the end, we will know later on. So we can have opinions, that's what a board is. And people should be adult enough to take them.

There is a reason the kid was chosen that late. He has things to work on.

Having said that....there were obviously reactions, not yours, that were over the top. But I guess that's the name of the game.

I selected this part of your post because it rings so true to me. People overhype young players and get upset just because someone points out an obvious flaw or tendency in a player's game. You know more about junior players than I ever will and you know how many "can't miss" players we have drafted in the last 10-15 years, players that were overhyped that never made a dent at the NHL level. The same can be said for the promising young players that are already a part of our NHL roster, some are doing well and others need more time and the guy needing more time might end up the better player, who knows?

 

[yianik]

He has PK kind of skating. PK was actually never really fast, but he cut and weaved masterfully, blowing by people made you think he was a speedster.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Here's the thing though: noone meant to disregard the good things.

Some fans are so over the board optimistic about Lane that they jump at the throat of anyone pointing out a flaw. There was noone in here saying Lane sucks.

You decide which behavior is more aggressive.

I think that behavior is a by product of the incessant negativity that's prevalent everywhere.

I've had to ignore threads for Galchenyuk, Kotkaniemi, Slafkovsky, Farrell, Barron, etc over the years.

People get f***ing obsessed with just tearing these kids down on everything for not meeting the expectations fans built themselves and can't exhibit any amount of patience.

The problem is everyone just wants to be right. The discourse on a majority of topics is just people waiting for an opportunity to punch down on someone else who didn't share their viewpoint.

It's all toxic, it's all played out and it's all boring. Like, I understand EP is annoyed that people are jumping on him for pointing out something requiring improvement. But at the same time, do we need to jump on it every time it shows itself as a problem during their development?

Sometimes we gotta learn when to walk away on a debate because there's no progress to come. Did anyone enjoy Expat harping on the same shit for 12 months on Slafkovsky?

 

[Sam de Mtl]

I think that behavior is a by product of the incessant negativity that's prevalent everywhere.

I've had to ignore threads for Galchenyuk, Kotkaniemi, Slafkovsky, Farrell, Barron, etc over the years.

People get f***ing obsessed with just tearing these kids down on everything for not meeting the expectations fans built themselves and can't exhibit any amount of patience.

The problem is everyone just wants to be right. The discourse on a majority of topics is just people waiting for an opportunity to punch down on someone else who didn't share their viewpoint.

It's all toxic, it's all played out and it's all boring. Like, I understand EP is annoyed that people are jumping on him for pointing out something requiring improvement. But at the same time, do we need to jump on it every time it shows itself as a problem during their development?

Sometimes we gotta learn when to walk away on a debate because there's no progress to come. Did anyone enjoy Expat harping on the same shit for 12 months on Slafkovsky?

I kind of feel the same, but from a different angle. I feel like people overvalue kids' achievements in junior by stat watching and/or highlights watching and that only leads to bitter disappointment from fans once they turn pro and their flaws become issues. I feel like this is the reason threads are unreadable and overly negative : because expectations were unrealistic from the start.

Maybe that's why me and EP and some others are trying to bring back a modicum of reality in the coming trainwreck that is the insane hyperbole that is this thread.

When he turns pro, there is a real possibility that the narrative switches and everybody hates this small kid who can't skate or play D, which would be another overreaction the other way.

I agree about the KK, Galchenyuk, Slaf, Farrell etc threads that I also mostly ignore since they turned pro. Farrell was particularly disturbing as it only took one game for a lot of folks to turn on him.

 

[Ozmodiar]

have watched it and he was just above his own blue line , you can clearly see him from the opponents view behind their net. He moved up as the first pass was made ..

This view?
That’s just outside the opposing team’s blue line. … and he was moving back as the pass was made, not forward.

Not that it’ll change your opinion of the play. You didn’t like it. I’m not sure anyone liked it.

 

[WinterLion]

I think that behavior is a by product of the incessant negativity that's prevalent everywhere.

I've had to ignore threads for Galchenyuk, Kotkaniemi, Slafkovsky, Farrell, Barron, etc over the years.

People get f***ing obsessed with just tearing these kids down on everything for not meeting the expectations fans built themselves and can't exhibit any amount of patience.

The problem is everyone just wants to be right. The discourse on a majority of topics is just people waiting for an opportunity to punch down on someone else who didn't share their viewpoint.

It's all toxic, it's all played out and it's all boring. Like, I understand EP is annoyed that people are jumping on him for pointing out something requiring improvement. But at the same time, do we need to jump on it every time it shows itself as a problem during their development?

Sometimes we gotta learn when to walk away on a debate because there's no progress to come. Did anyone enjoy Expat harping on the same shit for 12 months on Slafkovsky?

Unfortunately I see the same thing happening with whoever we pick this year... everyone has set the bar so high about pick 5...

 

[WeThreeKings]

I kind of feel the same, but from a different angle. I feel like people overvalue kids' achievements in junior by stat watching and/or highlights watching and that only leads to bitter disappointment from fans once they turn pro and their flaws become issues. I feel like this is the reason threads are unreadable and overly negative : because expectations were unrealistic from the start.

Maybe that's why me and EP and some others are trying to bring back a modicum of reality in the coming trainwreck that is the insane hyperbole that is this thread.

When he turns pro, there is a real possibility that the narrative switches and everybody hates this small kid who can't skate or play D, which would be another overreaction the other way.

I agree about the KK, Galchenyuk, Slaf, Farrell etc threads that I also mostly ignore since they turned pro. Farrell was particularly disturbing as it only took one game for a lot of folks to turn on him.

You're right, that's a problem too. It's a powder keg, and it all just leads to me noping out of a discussion most of the times.

Thankfully for us we now have a new staff and regime in place that understands that you deploy players according to their strengths. The fact of the matter is, Hutson is gonna win us a lot of 3 on 3, he might lose us a few. He might end up being the type of defenseman you don't see in the final 10 minutes of the 3rd in the playoffs, but may never leave the ice if we are down a goal in the 3rd in the playoffs.

It's why Reinbacher remains a huge possibility for us.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Wasn't directed at you, you're my Boy, Blue.

OC71's not that old, is he?

 

[74 others]

He plays faster than most, if not all, of his teammates. His pace is so fast that I don't see his skating as a problem really.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

This view?
That’s just outside the opposing team’s blue line. … and he was moving back as the pass was made, not forward.

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Not that it’ll change your opinion of the play. You didn’t like it. I’m not sure anyone liked it.

You are right, I saw the linesman and thought it was Hutson lol. You are also right that it is entirely irrelevant and it doesn't change anything as he still had a ton of time to be in the proper position to defend and still was unwilling to attempt to pivot to a back skate like he was supposed to.

 

[ryan callahan]

People talking smack on Hutson's skating but I didn't see a faster Dman on our dcore this year save for maybe Barron.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

People talking smack on Hutson's skating but I didn't see a faster Dman on our dcore this year save for maybe Barron.

Guhle.

 

[ryan callahan]

Guhle.

Hutson easily has better acceleration and edges. But once Guhle gets going he is extremely fast yes.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Watch the playoffs and tell me that with a straight face.

Who says I have a straight face?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

People talking smack on Hutson's skating but I didn't see a faster Dman on our dcore this year save for maybe Barron.

He's a good skater going forwards but he's not good backskating. He doesn't cross over very well and this observation has nothing to do with the training camp drill.

In fact, he doesn't like skating backwards at all.

 

[yianik]

I don't have an issue with people raising concerns about a prospect, but we do write off kids so early. And we also tag a kid as a potential top whatever too early also.

I just want to see continued development. Sure maybe a kid is going from 1 to 3, but development means there is still possibility and promise. Over the past 2 decades every year or two we would have a house cleaning of prospects , including 1st rounders. Just awful. I'm more hopeful now, taking guys with more skill and higher ceilings. Hitting on just a few can turn us around.

And taking this kid at 62nd. Lol. You kidding ? Sure he has weaknesses, is why taken at 62nd. But look at what hes been doing. Killing it at every level. I'm

 

[BehindTheTimes]

He got cut at the blue line, he was probably too aggressive, and it was too late for him to start skating backward! End of the story.

Pretty much exactly this. Ppl trying to over analyze this. Did he play it well? No, he didn’t. There’s not much more to it.

 

[1909]

Yeah, it makes no sense. Everybody can be questioned. And in the end, we will have our final answer once they reach the NHL. I will never understand people taking a hard stance while players are in juniors....lol. As if it was the final destination. I personnally question the Mesar pick vs Kulich...but in the end, we will know later on. So we can have opinions, that's what a board is. And people should be adult enough to take them.

There is a reason the kid was chosen that late. He has things to work on.

Having said that....there were obviously reactions, not yours, that were over the top. But I guess that's the name of the game.

Right. Hutson had two strikes against him on draft day: his size + his defensive weaknesses.... BUT, it can be fixed enough to bring him at NHL level and have a good career.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

People talking smack on Hutson's skating but I didn't see a faster Dman on our dcore this year save for maybe Barron.

Barron, Matheson, Guhle.

That's half a 6 man unit ..

 

[yianik]

Right. Hutson had two strikes against him on draft day: his size + his defensive weaknesses.... BUT, it can be³( fixed enough to bring him at NHL level and ²‐have a good( career.

And sometimes you need one player to compliment another. Markov and Souray/ Komisarek/ PK, Petry at his best with Edmunson etc. I can't ever see Hutson ever being a stand alone no.1 due to size and defensive ability, but he and a guy like Guhle could make a solid top pairing.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

People talking smack on Hutson's skating but I didn't see a faster Dman on our dcore this year save for maybe Barron.

You weren't looking very hard.


Matheson is an elite skater and both Guhle and Harris are high end skaters who are much faster than Lane. The only dman that Lane is definitively faster than is Savard. This will likely change as Hutson has made some improvements this year and as he gains strength I expect his speed to further improve. He is very good on his edges so when he adds more speed he will be a handful because his hands are so great along with his deception.

 

[1909]

And sometimes you need one player to compliment another. Markov and Souray/ Komisarek/ PK, Petry at his best with Edmunson etc. I can't ever see Hutson ever being a stand alone no.1 due to size and defensive ability, but he and a guy like Guhle could make a solid top pairing.

Guhle will have then to adapt to play on RD for good. Maybe Hutson will end up on a third pairing as a PP specialist mostly with Xhekaj as his partner.