Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

[admiralcadillac]

No need for the ffs there tough guy, I didn't know so I asked a question, Jesus, some of you need to get out

I selected this part of your post because it rings so true to me. People overhype young players and get upset just because someone points out an obvious flaw or tendency in a player's game. You know more about junior players than I ever will and you know how many "can't miss" players we have drafted in the last 10-15 years, players that were overhyped that never made a dent at the NHL level. The same can be said for the promising young players that are already a part of our NHL roster, some are doing well and others need more time and the guy needing more time might end up the better player, who knows?

You guys didn’t point to an obvious flaw on this play though did you.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

No need for the ffs there tough guy, I didn't know so I asked a question, Jesus, some of you need to get out more.

Hell yeah Craig go off

 

[yianik]

Guhle will have then to adapt to play on RD for good. Maybe Hutson will end up on a third pairing as a PP specialist mostly with Xhekaj as his partner.

Who knows how it will unfold. I said a guy like because of the attributes he has, as I'm not happy guys playing wrong side.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Like, I understand EP is annoyed that people are jumping on him for pointing out something requiring improvement. But at the same time, do we need to jump on it every time it shows itself as a problem during their development?

To be fair I would not have said a word if people on here didn't start with the same bag of nonsense pretending that there is not a problem. I absolutely hate having to bring it up. It is the same feeling when I am on a date and the girl wants to analyze me based on astrology instead of what is right in front of her. I just feel compelled to refute opinions that are rooted in nonsense/pseudo science/bias confirmation. There are so many comments on here that are directed at me without naming me by the same group of posters, never mind the horde that I am ignoring lol.

I am not the problem as I am only trying to engage in rational discourse. Should I just not say anything and allow this board to be degraded by ill informed opinions and personal attacks? Both parties are not always at fault and I am not punching down, I am punching in self defence from people who have no interest in engaging in civil discourse and are caught up in tribal mob behaviour.

I only ever hear these terrible takes from fans who are non hockey people in real life and I just ignore it because it is not permanently attached to a message board that I am looking at. I have disagreements with other hockey people but it is never personal and never descends into this tribal nonsense. Outside of this form people who are involved with hockey who know me know that I am a fan of Hutson and the back skating issue is nothing more than a matter of fact and none of us believe that it won't be fixed.

I am wrong often enough to know that my opinion is not exceptional and deserves to be challenged and I have zero issue with that. I do take issue with those who have no interest in the truth and are only interacting to be confrontational and to incite others to join in on the attack. So why are we not more concerned with this aggressive/toxic behaviour than me defending something that is factually true?

 

[ryan callahan]

You weren't looking very hard.


Matheson is an elite skater and both Guhle and Harris are high end skaters who are much faster than Lane. The only dman that Lane is definitively faster than is Savard. This will likely change as Hutson has made some improvements this year and as he gains strength I expect his speed to further improve. He is very good on his edges so when he adds more speed he will be a handful because his hands are so great along with his deception.

lmao. Check your eyes. Guhle is still an awkward skater. Hutson changes directions quicker than almost every defenseman in the league. And Harris is fast, but not dynamic. If you don't think Hutson is a fast skater I don't know what to tell you. He was responsible for nearly every zone entry on the PP when he was on the ice with USA and did so with lightning quick speed.

 

[yianik]

To be fair I would not have said a word if people on here didn't start with the same bag of nonsense pretending that there is not a problem. I absolutely hate having to bring it up. It is the same feeling when I am on a date and the girl wants to analyze me based on astrology instead of what is right in front of her. I just feel compelled to refute opinions that are rooted in nonsense/pseudo science/bias confirmation. There are so many comments on here that are directed at me without naming me by the same group of posters, never mind the horde that I am ignoring lol.

I am not the problem as I am only trying to engage in rational discourse. Should I just not say anything and allow this board to be degraded by ill informed opinions and personal attacks? Both parties are not always at fault and I am not punching down, I am punching in self defence from people who have no interest in engaging in civil discourse and are caught up in tribal mob behaviour.

I only ever hear these terrible takes from fans who are non hockey people in real life and I just ignore it because it is not permanently attached to a message board that I am looking at. I have disagreements with other hockey people but it is never personal and never descends into this tribal nonsense. Outside of this form people who are involved with hockey who know me know that I am a fan of Hutson and the back skating issue is nothing more than a matter of fact and none of us believe that it won't be fixed.

I am wrong often enough to know that my opinion is not exceptional and deserves to be challenged and I have zero issue with that. I do take issue with those who have no interest in the truth and are only interacting to be confrontational and to incite others to join in on the attack. So why are we not more concerned with this aggressive/toxic behaviour than me defending something that is factually true?

Didn't know astrolog and dating was still a thing

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Pretty much exactly this. Ppl trying to over analyze this. Did he play it well? No, he didn’t. There’s not much more to it.

He played it badly but the German was forced outside which would have been successful if DeSmith didn't blow the save.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

lmao. Check your eyes. Guhle is still an awkward skater. Hutson changes directions quicker than almost every defenseman in the league. And Harris is fast, but not dynamic. If you don't think Hutson is a fast skater I don't know what to tell you. He was responsible for nearly every zone entry on the PP when he was on the ice with USA and did so with lightning quick speed.

Here is your original post:

"People talking smack on Hutson's skating but I didn't see a faster Dman on our dcore this year save for maybe Barron."

I am not the one who needs to check my eyes. You were clearly comparing his speed to the other Montreal defenders and you were wrong. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Guhle's skating and calling him an awkward skater is a damning response towards your expertise in assessing skating.

Welcome to my IL

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He played it badly but the German was forced outside which would have been successful if DeSmith didn't blow the save.

He wasn't forced outside, he literally shot the puck right on the faceoff dot with zero impedance. That is considered a very good spot to shoot from and is on part of the home plate that coaches want to keep shooters out of.

That goal is mostly on Lane as the shot was perfect due to the time and space that Lane gave him.

 

[Habnot]

To be fair I would not have said a word if people on here didn't start with the same bag of nonsense pretending that there is not a problem. I absolutely hate having to bring it up. It is the same feeling when I am on a date and the girl wants to analyze me based on astrology instead of what is right in front of her. I just feel compelled to refute opinions that are rooted in nonsense/pseudo science/bias confirmation. There are so many comments on here that are directed at me without naming me by the same group of posters, never mind the horde that I am ignoring lol.

I am not the problem as I am only trying to engage in rational discourse. Should I just not say anything and allow this board to be degraded by ill informed opinions and personal attacks? Both parties are not always at fault and I am not punching down, I am punching in self defence from people who have no interest in engaging in civil discourse and are caught up in tribal mob behaviour.

I only ever hear these terrible takes from fans who are non hockey people in real life and I just ignore it because it is not permanently attached to a message board that I am looking at. I have disagreements with other hockey people but it is never personal and never descends into this tribal nonsense. Outside of this form people who are involved with hockey who know me know that I am a fan of Hutson and the back skating issue is nothing more than a matter of fact and none of us believe that it won't be fixed.

I am wrong often enough to know that my opinion is not exceptional and deserves to be challenged and I have zero issue with that. I do take issue with those who have no interest in the truth and are only interacting to be confrontational and to incite others to join in on the attack. So why are we not more concerned with this aggressive/toxic behaviour than me defending something that is factually true?

That's your problem - it is not THE TRUTH - it is your opinion and you are using a recent play to justify your perception.

Every player has strengths and weaknesses and given his age, his development - his progression - Hutson does not deserve this constant barrage of criticism every time he is on the ice for a goal against. Doesn't matter all the great plays he might make in a game, the minute that he misses a defensive assignment we are subjected to armchair hockey talent evaluators telling us that he can't even skate backward.

The only truth is the usage Hutson. For a small 19 year old D - being chosen and playing a prominent role for the WC speaks volume. Playing nearly 18 minutes in today's bronze medal after yesterday's "disastrous"play tells you the coach has confidence in the player.

Funny no one calls out Cutter Gauthier who completely lost his man 3x3 on the GWG....

 

[Twisted Sinister]

That's your problem - it is not THE TRUTH - it is your opinion and you are using a recent play to justify your perception.

Every player has strengths and weaknesses and given his age, his development - his progression - Hutson does not deserve this constant barrage of criticism every time he is on the ice for a goal against. Doesn't matter all the great plays he might make in a game, the minute that he misses a defensive assignment we are subjected to armchair hockey talent evaluators telling us that he can't even skate backward.

The only truth is the usage Hutson. For a small 19 year old D - being chosen and playing a prominent role for the WC speaks volume. Playing nearly 18 minutes in today's bronze medal after yesterday's "disastrous"play tells you the coach has confidence in the player.

Funny no one calls out Cutter Gauthier who completely lost his man 3x3 on the GWG....

In all fairness, I called out Gauthier for losing his defensive assignment almost immediately.

 

[Team_Spirit]

It is well known Guhle speed goes to 11. Bad argument. Compare him to some Laffs player maybe?

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Hell yeah Craig go off

Craig bein' all like

 

[Vachon23]

It's funny I actually see way more post about complain about haters or person that complain about Hutson mistake then post of person that actually complain about Hutson what I didn't really see in that thread

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

That's your problem - it is not THE TRUTH - it is your opinion and you are using a recent play to justify your perception.

Every player has strengths and weaknesses and given his age, his development - his progression - Hutson does not deserve this constant barrage of criticism every time he is on the ice for a goal against. Doesn't matter all the great plays he might make in a game, the minute that he misses a defensive assignment we are subjected to armchair hockey talent evaluators telling us that he can't even skate backward.

The only truth is the usage Hutson. For a small 19 year old D - being chosen and playing a prominent role for the WC speaks volume. Playing nearly 18 minutes in today's bronze medal after yesterday's "disastrous"play tells you the coach has confidence in the player.

Funny no one calls out Cutter Gauthier who completely lost his man 3x3 on the GWG....

The Hutson back skating issue is truth and there is no rational discussion that can refute that. You should be able to find all sorts of video of Lane Hutson effectively defending while back skating and using crossovers if what I am saying is not true.....reducing my statement to just an "opinion" is akin to saying that me calling McDavid fast is not the truth and is just my opinion. To claim that I am just using this example as my only evidence is laughable as I have called out this exact scenario all season even going as far as step by step detailing that this exact play would happen to him in the pros. I am sure that doesn't interest you though as you are only interested in attacking me because you don't like my opinion irrespective of whether it is true or not.

Everytime Hutson does something great the board is flooded with video clips and praise and rightfully so, but you and others choose to ignore that fact and can only see the one thing that offends you which is so typical of society today.

I have said a million times that he does far more good than bad but you just can't help yourself and only want to acknowledge the bad.

And why would anyone on this board call out Gauthier, this is not the team USA board or the Philadelphia Flyers board? Did you see me blame Lane for anything in today's game?

Gawd this is so tiresome.....

This board seriously needs private lounges

 

[ryan callahan]

That's your problem - it is not THE TRUTH - it is your opinion and you are using a recent play to justify your perception.

Every player has strengths and weaknesses and given his age, his development - his progression - Hutson does not deserve this constant barrage of criticism every time he is on the ice for a goal against. Doesn't matter all the great plays he might make in a game, the minute that he misses a defensive assignment we are subjected to armchair hockey talent evaluators telling us that he can't even skate backward.

The only truth is the usage Hutson. For a small 19 year old D - being chosen and playing a prominent role for the WC speaks volume. Playing nearly 18 minutes in today's bronze medal after yesterday's "disastrous"play tells you the coach has confidence in the player.

Funny no one calls out Cutter Gauthier who completely lost his man 3x3 on the GWG....

Don't worry. This guy's opinions are still stuck in the mid 80s. He probably thinks Savard is the best thing since sliced bread

 

[Habnot]

Everytime Hutson does something great the board is flooded with video clips and praise and rightfully so, but you and others choose to ignore that fact and can only see the one thing that offends you which is so typical of society today.

What's wrong with fans of the Habs getting excited about a prospect?

When I get so adamant about a particular team or player, it because I have some deep rooted biases. I can never praise anything to do with the Leafs - but I understand it's not rational. You should ask yourself what makes you the spokesperson for knocking Hutson down a few pegs....

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Lane Hutson is fun to watch and will be fun to watch him develop. Just a great pickup in the 2nd round. He has a ton of growing and work on elements of his game. No one can expect a finished product at this point.

What's scary is how dominant he is in college hockey yet has a ton of flaws in his game. He will be fun to watch.

 

[DAChampion]

It is the same feeling when I am on a date and the girl wants to analyze me based on astrology instead of what is right in front of her.

OT: I now recall one date, maybe the last date I had on plenty of fish, where I went out with a woman who had an astrology blog. She was visibly proud to tell me that she had an astrology blog. I -- and I think I can be a very pedantic nitpicker at times -- just said "oh that's cool". Or something like it. And never wrote back.

But enough of that. Though there's nothing for me to gain by arguing with an astral chart blogger, I think there is some value in you pointing out concerns with prospects that are not only legitimate but are actually very specific. He needs to work on his skating. It's something for people to remember if he needs two or more years to make the NHL, something for people to notice if they watch him in a pre season game next year.

Though it may seem like no poster is listening, what I think is actually happening is that the people not listening are substantially louder and more verbose.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

What's wrong with fans of the Habs getting excited about a prospect?

When I get so adamant about a particular team or player, it because I have some deep rooted biases. I can never praise anything to do with the Leafs - but I understand it's not rational. You should ask yourself what makes you the spokesperson for knocking Hutson down a few pegs....

There is nothing wrong at all about getting excited but expect to have your opinion criticized when it is coming from your heart and not your head.

I am not knocking Hutson down a few pegs I am sharing both positive and negative feedback when evidence of either is presented. What makes you the spokesperson for biased fans against rational discussion?

Facebook is a great place to share biased opinions within your own echo chamber but this board does not construct algorithms that exclude contradictory opinions/facts so you are going to have to learn to engage in rational/civil discourse. This message board does not cater to your bias and you should embrace the opportunity to explore alternative evidence based opinions and learn to discuss things that make you uncomfortable rather than attack them even when you can't prove them to be inaccurate.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Lane Hutson is fun to watch and will be fun to watch him develop. Just a great pickup in the 2nd round. He has a ton of growing and work on elements of his game. No one can expect a finished product at this point.

What's scary is how dominant he is in college hockey yet has a ton of flaws in his game. He will be fun to watch.

Yes. Looks Quinn Hughes, he takes few years to be at least decent at defensive zone. He have work to do to become good at defensive zone aswell and everyone would like to have Quinn Hughes. Lane Hutson have the same offensive potential than Quinn Hughes, statistic very similar at same age. Hutson can easily become better at defensive zone. He have good positioning, it's normal some mistakes. Every great defensive defenseman can make mistakes aswell.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

OT: I now recall one date, maybe the last date I had on plenty of fish, where I went out with a woman who had an astrology blog. She was visibly proud to tell me that she had an astrology blog. I -- and I think I can be a very pedantic nitpicker at times -- just said "oh that's cool". Or something like it. And never wrote back.

But enough of that. Though there's nothing for me to gain by arguing with an astral chart blogger, I think there is some value in you pointing out concerns with prospects that are not only legitimate but are actually very specific. He needs to work on his skating. It's something for people to remember if he needs two or more years to make the NHL, something for people to notice if they watch him in a pre season game next year.

Though it may seem like no poster is listening, what I think is actually happening is that the people not listening are substantially louder and more verbose.

The Astrology thing is an instant walk away for me along with any dogmatic beliefs or conspiracy theories lol. I know I will despise her shadow within a week if I take it any further.

As for the loudest people in the room.....I am aware but on this board you don't get the silent looks of acknowledgement/agreement that you do in real life.

 

[JadedRandom]

Gawd this is so tiresome.....

This board seriously needs private lounges

Absolutely not, or all you'd get would be echo chambers, where conflicts of opinions would be mild, more measured, but less chaotic, cathartic, and fun.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Hutson was just channeling Ray Bourque. Hall of Fame career confirmed

Once again…



Bourque can’t skate backwards either… lol

Sidenote: there are more than a a couple of clips of Mario embarrassing Ray. It happened in a few occasions.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

It is well known Guhle speed goes to 11. Bad argument. Compare him to some Laffs player maybe?

Poehling with the highest peak speed in the NHL last year, yeah right