Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

[BLONG7]

Subban had the size and physicality that Hudson will never possess. At the start of his NHL career, Subban was a physical, intimidating force who could control opponents along the boards or box them out in front of the net. He rarely lost puck battles and could deliver devastating open ice hits. Who could forget Subban nearly separating Marchand from his soul:



Regrettably Subban made the decision to bulk up his body which robbed him of his quickness, end to end speed and offensive effectiveness. His legacy would have been much more impactful but for that decision. Probably would still be playing today.

One of the best hardest hits ever.
And made even better since the guy getting hit thought he was untouchable.

As for Hutson, Chester do you think he is the real deal, or is the hype a little too much?? Could the kid become our Quinn Hughes?

 

[Rapala]

That's an awful take.
Hutson made the right decisions in that overtime play. First of all, Hutson almost scored the game-winner. Secondly, the shot created a rebound, which got to player #41 from Detroit. Hutson had the choice between poke-checking #41, or turning back toward the dzone. He decided to go for the poke-check, which was the smarter decision considering he was already near the puck, and #41 wasn't even looking at him. Player #41 fell and lost possession of the puck by himself, and Raymond retrieved the loose puck. That was just an unlucky sequence for Hutson. If player #41 had possession of the puck properly, Hutson likely does a successful poke-check, and the habs regain possession of the puck. Thirdly, Raymond passes the puck and races to create a 2 on 1, and despite Raymond being one of the best skaters in the NHL, Hutson almost catches up to him.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1780051767662665752

It's a problem when any defenseman gets caught OUT OF POSITION.
He made a bad decision after making a good play initially.
I take Matheson to task when he does the same thing.

You sure have found a handful of good excuses for him though.
Hutson's shit will stink on occasion get used to it.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Subban had the size and physicality that Hudson will never possess. At the start of his NHL career, Subban was a physical, intimidating force who could control opponents along the boards or box them out in front of the net. He rarely lost puck battles and could deliver devastating open ice hits. Who could forget Subban nearly separating Marchand from his soul:



Regrettably, Subban made the decision to bulk up his body which robbed him of his quickness, end to end speed and offensive effectiveness. His legacy would have been much more impactful but for that decision. Probably would still be playing today.

He overdid it on the bulking. He was a pretty solid defensive blueliner and doesn’t great credit for it.

When he made a mistake it was often spectacular. And a lot of his mistakes came from showboating which only made it worse.

But he could clear the crease well and most of the time was was really solid in his own end. His best skill though was transitioning from defense to offense. Highly underrated skill.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

One of the best hardest hits ever.
And made even better since the guy getting hit thought he was untouchable.

As for Hutson, Chester do you think he is the real deal, or is the hype a little too much?? Could the kid become our Quinn Hughes?

The real deal? You're asking the million dollar question.

Other than their roughly similar size and their resulting limitations in physical play, Hutson and Hughes are not the same. Hughes is an elite, fluid skater who we foolishly passed on to select Kotkaniemi in the 2018 draft. Hutson is an awkward skater who relies on feints and elusiveness to create time and space for him to make those high end offensive plays which he has become noted for.

His limitations in skating made me somewhat skeptical as to whether Hutson’s style of play would translate well at the NHL level. I am however, somewhat encouraged by what Hutson was able to do in his short stint with the Canadiens at the end of last season. Neither Hughes nor Hutson will ever be defensive stalwarts. Hutson will never have the ability to control play with his skating the way Hughes currently does. But Hutson has an elite level of offensive skills and vision that will allow him to be an important contributor on Montreal's power play and in overtime (3 on 3 situations) in the future.

No, Hutson will never become our Hughes. He will become our Hutson. Which should be more than good enough.

 

[KevSkillz4]

No, Hutson will never become our Hughes. He will become our Hutson. Which should be more than good enough.

Hutson will become Hutson, but I believe that he can produce like Hughes for Habs.

He have the talent to put really high production. 50-60a, even more is a realistic projection. Hutson can score a lot of goals aswell.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Hutson will become Hutson, but I believe that he can produce like Hughes for Habs.

He have the talent to put really high production. 50-60a, even more is a realistic projection. Hutson can score a lot of goals aswell.

I suspect in 4 to 5 years fans of other teams will be asking and hoping that their undersized defensive prospect may become their team's Hutson.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

It's a problem when any defenseman gets caught OUT OF POSITION.
He made a bad decision after making a good play initially.
I take Matheson to task when he does the same thing.

You sure have found a handful of good excuses for him though.
Hutson's shit will stink on occasion get used to it.

You should prepare yourself for disappointment if you expect offensive dmen to not take risks, especially at 3 on 3.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Hutson played two dominant games against a full Detroit squad fighting for their playoff lives.

Poehling had a couple lucky goals against a AHL version of a Toronto roster who had nothing to play for.

People were hoping for something from Poehling based on a couple games in a WJC. Hutson has been the best defenseman in college hockey two years in a row.

They aren't the same type of prospect at all and trying to reduce what Hutson did because Poehling had one exciting game is classic Habs fans not believing we can have anything good.

You're being just as silly as that article with the baseless accusation and histrionics about "belief". It's not faith-based, you know.

No one is trying to "reduce what Hutson did" by simply pointing out that it's premature to read too much into a microscopic NHL sample. It would be just as premature to go into an in-depth analysis of his performance if he had struggled.

 

[salbutera]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1824446766084739301

 

[Rob Sense]

Subban had the size and physicality that Hudson will never possess. At the start of his NHL career, Subban was a physical, intimidating force who could control opponents along the boards or box them out in front of the net. He rarely lost puck battles and could deliver devastating open ice hits. Who could forget Subban nearly separating Marchand from his soul:



Regrettably, Subban made the decision to bulk up his body which robbed him of his quickness, end to end speed and offensive effectiveness. His legacy would have been much more impactful but for that decision. Probably would still be playing today.

Marchand never had a soul but Subban made him wish he did!

 

[WeThreeKings]

You're being just as silly as that article with the baseless accusation and histrionics about "belief". It's not faith-based, you know.

No one is trying to "reduce what Hutson did" by simply pointing out that it's premature to read too much into a microscopic NHL sample. It would be just as premature to go into an in-depth analysis of his performance if he had struggled.

You can easily say it's a small sample size and that would be a fair point. That point doesn't hold up so well when you use Poehling as the anchor for that point.

They aren't remotely comparable so it's an irrelevant way to try to argue that.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

It would be a waste of Savard's remaining time here not to pair him with Hutson.

It would be a waste Hutson’s skill to pair him with Savard. Savard was a good soldier, he’s no longer needed.

 

[Rapala]

You should prepare yourself for disappointment if you expect offensive dmen to not take risks, especially at 3 on 3.

Okay then.
Like I said I called out Matheson for the same type of shit.
If that was Barron there would have been a State of Siege on the GDT.
Move the puck on the net fine hope that your team mate finds the rebound fine.
However that play is going to result in a turnover 8 out of 10 times which means he has to take a defensive posture as soon as he lets go of the puck.
Particularly since he has a muffin of a shot and that was not a clear cut 2v1 scoring opportunity.
If he does it again I'll call him out on it again and I can already see Marty's burying his head in his hands.

 

[salbutera]

It would be a waste Hutson’s skill to pair him with Savard. Savard was a good soldier, he’s no longer needed.

Savard’s role as calming / stay at home vet presence will be key to Hutson’s transition into NHL in his rookie season

 

[PhysicX]

Keeper league with lots of stats (no +/-), will try to trade Morgan Rielly for Lane Hutson.
Your thoughts?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Savard’s role as calming / stay at home vet presence will be key to Hutson’s transition into NHL in his rookie season

I’m not sure who else we can put there with him on the right side. Our three RDs are likely to be Guhle, Savard and Barron.

 

[Rapala]

3 years in a row, Arizona passed us in like the last game or two of the season.

I'm not expecting the same treatment from Utah if we find ourselves in that same position.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'm not expecting the same treatment from Utah if we find ourselves in that same position.

We should hopefully not find ourselves in that position again this year.. pick late top ten or just outside of it, we can still get a good piece like Spence to add to our team but take that step forward.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

We should hopefully not find ourselves in that position again this year.. pick late top ten or just outside of it, we can still get a good piece like Spence to add to our team but take that step forward.

We also have a ton of picks/prospects to trade with. We might be able to move up or alternatively, trade for good prospects. More Kirby Dach type moves.

I'd still really like to have a big power winger to add him in the top six. That would move Roy and Newhook to Beck on the third and we'd have what I think could have the potential to be one of the best third lines in the league. At that point we'd be a pretty formidable club.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Savard’s role as calming / stay at home vet presence will be key to Hutson’s transition into NHL in his rookie season

Let’s agree to disagree, I think Lane having to cover for a slow footed, aging dman only makes his transition to the NHL more challenging, not less.

 

[WeThreeKings]

We also have a ton of picks/prospects to trade with. We might be able to move up or alternatively, trade for good prospects. More Kirby Dach type moves.

I'd still really like to have a big power winger to add him in the top six. That would move Roy and Newhook to Beck on the third and we'd have what I think could have the potential to be one of the best third lines in the league. At that point we'd be a pretty formidable club.

Spence or McQueen

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Let’s agree to disagree, I think Lane having to cover for a slow footed, aging dman only makes his transition to the NHL more challenging, not less.

So who do we put there? Barron? Guhle?

We're in that transition phase where everyone is either coming up or has little experience. We only have two natural RDs in the lineup this season (and that's assuming Barron is getting regular shifts.) Savard isn't the ideal partner but he's at least steady and a natural on the position. I don't see them swapping out Guhle to go there although that might be another way to do it.

Sidenote: I hope that this is the last season we see Guhle on the right side.

 

[Redux91]

So who do we put there? Barron? Guhle?

We're in that transition phase where everyone is either coming up or has little experience. We only have two natural RDs in the lineup this season (and that's assuming Barron is getting regular shifts.) Savard isn't the ideal partner but he's at least steady and a natural on the position. I don't see them swapping out Guhle to go there although that might be another way to do it.

Sidenote: I hope that this is the last season we see Guhle on the right side.

IF Hutson is indeed starting the year in the NHL
Then Savard 'will' be the partner

Only reason Guhle is playing RD is because Mailloux/Reinbacher aren't ready yet and because Matheson is de-facto LD1 still and kind of 'in the way' (which is the main reason a lot of us want to trade him at all) and Savard is not an RD1 at this juncture of his career

But the plan is not to keep Guhle as an RD permanently

I'm still not 100% convinced Hutson starts the season in the NHL, but not because he's not ready or anything but again just because of the luxury of all this D still right now
I'm on record that I want Hutson-Reinbacher to be our Top AHL D pair and see what they got for 30-40 games

I think we start the year
Matheson - Guhle
Harris/Struble/Xhekaj - Savard
Harris/Struble/Xhekaj - Barron
7th D : One of Harris/Struble/Xhekaj on any given night

Depending on injuries to whichever LD or RD, Hutson or Mailloux gets called up
(Keeping Reinbacher In AHL for the brunt, which I think will be instrumental for his development)

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

IF Hutson is indeed starting the year in the NHL
Then Savard 'will' be the partner

Only reason Guhle is playing RD is because Mailloux/Reinbacher aren't ready yet and because Matheson is de-facto LD1 still and kind of 'in the way' (which is the main reason a lot of us want to trade him at all) and Savard is not an RD1 at this juncture of his career

But the plan is not to keep Guhle as an RD permanently

I'm still not 100% convinced Hutson starts the season in the NHL, but not because he's not ready or anything but again just because of the luxury of all this D still right now
I'm on record that I want Hutson-Reinbacher to be our Top AHL D pair and see what they got for 30-40 games

I think we start the year
Matheson - Guhle
Harris/Struble/Xhekaj - Savard
Harris/Struble/Xhekaj - Barron
7th D : One of Harris/Struble/Xhekaj on any given night

Depending on injuries to whichever LD or RD, Hutson or Mailloux gets called up
(Keeping Reinbacher In AHL for the brunt, which I think will be instrumental for his development)

Assuming Hutson plays from game one onward, I don’t see how Savard isn’t the guy. We have nobody else right now.

Now, maybe they put him in the AHL to start. That’s possible but I think he’s shown that he’s just too good to go there. We’ll see.

 

[Tyson]

Assuming Hutson plays from game one onward, I don’t see how Savard isn’t the guy. We have nobody else right now.

Now, maybe they put him in the AHL to start. That’s possible but I think he’s shown that he’s just too good to go there. We’ll see.

I think he starts in Montreal under the close eye of management similar to how they developed Slafkovsky.