Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

[WeThreeKings]

Ideally we do not want them all in laval this year and then graduate all at the same time in the NHL the following year and have 3 rookie in the lineup at the same time. Also if you have both Mailloux and Reinbacher in the AHL one of them will play less. Ideally we want one of Mailoux or Reinbacher in the NHL this year. If both are clearly not ready fine it is what it is but ideally in a perfect world we would have one of them in the NHL this year.

They won't have trouble getting Reinbacher and Mailloux minutes - Reinbacher will be PK1 while Mailloux is PP1. Mailloux will get most of the offensive minutes while Reinbacher will get more defensive starts. It's really RD3 who will suffer but I don't think it will matter as it's likely an AHL lifer.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Subban had tremendous edgework and was fine defensively for a while.

If hutson ends up having a subban level of impact, we should be delighted.



This is why Brett Hull claims he didn't make it in Calgary. They got all caught up in fitness and being cutting edge in conditioning that they were overlooking the hockey part.

Brett Hull only won when he decided to finally play a team game and do the things that Calgary originally expected from him. Throughout his prime years he was as lazy a back checker as you were going to find. This doesn't mean that he was not a great player because he obviously was but him and Ovie are similar in this sense as they both did not win until they played a more complete game. Ovie of course went right back to dogging it on the back check as soon as Trotz left.

 

[BLONG7]

Considering how little hockey Logan Mailloux has played over the past 3-4 years I think another full season in Laval would be a good thing.

Absolutely........................there is no reason to rush anyone anymore............those days are gone.
All of these kids have to earn those spots....just not get given one. Bergevin and Therrien are gone.

 

[LaP]

Absolutely........................there is no reason to rush anyone anymore............those days are gone.
All of these kids have to earn those spots....just not get given one. Bergevin and Therrien are gone.

What is earning a spot though?

Do we revert back to the Houle era where a kid without nhl experience had to be significantly better than a 10 years vet to have a chance? Or earning a spot is simply being ready for the NHL and showing sign of growth from month to month (while having the potential to be a NHL regular)?

Cause if you expect a kid without experience to be better than vets day 1 then you'll simply never graduate anyone and you'll eventually lose players like Beauchemin and Craig Conroy without testing them.

Good players more often than not needs about 100ish AHL games max to be ready.

 

[calder candidate]

I have no issue if he start in the AHL if it to but more time to make a more and to lose anyone on waivers. That being said if he clearly beat out the rest, that move will have to come quickly…

 

[BLONG7]

What is earning a spot though?

Do we revert back to the Houle era where a kid without nhl experience had to be significantly better than a 10 years vet to have a chance? Or earning a spot is simply being ready for the NHL and showing sign of growth from month to month?

Cause if you expect a kid without experience to be better than vets day 1 then you'll simply never graduate anyone and you'll eventually lose players like Beauchemin and Craig Conroy without testing them.

Good players more often than not needs about 100ish AHL games max to be ready.

Earning a spot............is on MSL and HuGo to decide as to who and when. I always say, trust the process.
There is NO reason to rush anyone. A season in the AHl? Half season? Who knows, but wehave to trust the process.

 

[JianYang]

Brett Hull only won when he decided to finally play a team game and do the things that Calgary originally expected from him. Throughout his prime years he was as lazy a back checker as you were going to find. This doesn't mean that he was not a great player because he obviously was but him and Ovie are similar in this sense as they both did not win until they played a more complete game. Ovie of course went right back to dogging it on the back check as soon as Trotz left.

Well, yeah. There's a reason why Sutter never called his number in empty net situations or shorthanded situations.... but 86 goals is 86 goals.

He got left behind the 91 US team for similar reasons.

 

[LaP]

Earning a spot............is on MSL and HuGo to decide as to who and when. I always say, trust the process.
There is NO reason to rush anyone. A season in the AHl? Half season? Who knows, but wehave to trust the process.

Never said we should rush. Said if they are ready they should be in the NHL.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Great report on Hutson's first 2 nhl games

A New Era For NHL Defensemen? A Deep Dive On 5'9" Defender Lane Hutson

How the diminutive Montreal Canadien defenseman may expand how we think about defensive hockey in the NHL

hockeysarsenal.substack.com

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Great report on Hutson's first 2 nhl games

A New Era For NHL Defensemen? A Deep Dive On 5'9" Defender Lane Hutson

How the diminutive Montreal Canadien defenseman may expand how we think about defensive hockey in the NHL

hockeysarsenal.substack.com

I wonder what this guy's report on Ryan Poehling's first NHL game would have looked like.

 

[Rapala]

I wonder what this guy's report on Ryan Poehling's first NHL game would have looked like.

I wonder if he watched Detroit's game winning goal in Lane's debut.
The lad got caught deep in the Ozone and it cost us the game.
There is plenty of room for improvement.

 

[Kojo]

Lane Hutson is not going to play in the AHL.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I wonder if he watched Detroit's game winning goal in Lane's debut.
The lad got caught deep in the Ozone and it cost us the game.
There is plenty of room for improvement.

That's an awful take.
Hutson made the right decisions in that overtime play. First of all, Hutson almost scored the game-winner. Secondly, the shot created a rebound, which got to player #41 from Detroit. Hutson had the choice between poke-checking #41, or turning back toward the dzone. He decided to go for the poke-check, which was the smarter decision considering he was already near the puck, and #41 wasn't even looking at him. Player #41 fell and lost possession of the puck by himself, and Raymond retrieved the loose puck. That was just an unlucky sequence for Hutson. If player #41 had possession of the puck properly, Hutson likely does a successful poke-check, and the habs regain possession of the puck. Thirdly, Raymond passes the puck and races to create a 2 on 1, and despite Raymond being one of the best skaters in the NHL, Hutson almost catches up to him.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1780051767662665752

 

[tnq]

That's an awful take.
Hutson made the right decisions in that overtime play. First of all, Hutson almost scored the game-winner. Secondly, the shot created a rebound, which got to player #41 from Detroit. Hutson had the choice between poke-checking #41, or turning back toward the dzone. He decided to go for the poke-check, which was the smarter decision considering he was already near the puck, and #41 wasn't even looking at him. Player #41 fell and lost possession of the puck by himself, and Raymond retrieved the loose puck. That was just an unlucky sequence for Hutson. If player #41 had possession of the puck properly, Hutson likely does a successful poke-check, and the habs regain possession of the puck. Thirdly, Raymond passes the puck and races to create a 2 on 1, and despite Raymond being one of the best skaters in the NHL, Hutson almost catches up to him.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1780051767662665752

If Hutson scored, we did not have Damidov, don't we ?

 

[WeThreeKings]

I wonder what this guy's report on Ryan Poehling's first NHL game would have looked like.

Hutson played two dominant games against a full Detroit squad fighting for their playoff lives.

Poehling had a couple lucky goals against a AHL version of a Toronto roster who had nothing to play for.

People were hoping for something from Poehling based on a couple games in a WJC. Hutson has been the best defenseman in college hockey two years in a row.

They aren't the same type of prospect at all and trying to reduce what Hutson did because Poehling had one exciting game is classic Habs fans not believing we can have anything good.

 

[Zilo44]

If Hutson scored, we did not have Damidov, don't we ?

This. Awesome outcome

 

[WeThreeKings]

This. Awesome outcome

3 years in a row, Arizona passed us in like the last game or two of the season.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Hutson played two dominant games against a full Detroit squad fighting for their playoff lives.

Poehling had a couple lucky goals against a AHL version of a Toronto roster who had nothing to play for.

People were hoping for something from Poehling based on a couple games in a WJC. Hutson has been the best defenseman in college hockey two years in a row.

They aren't the same type of prospect at all and trying to reduce what Hutson did because Poehling had one exciting game is classic Habs fans not believing we can have anything good.

Well I liked Poehling because of his NCAA career and WJC tournament. The NHL game meant nothing to me. He did pretty well in the NCAA rarely playing with good linemates. In his last season i believe he mostly was on a line with his brothers who were not that good.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Well I liked Poehling because of his NCAA career and WJC tournament. The NHL game meant nothing to me. He did pretty well in the NCAA rarely playing with good linemates. In his last season i believe he mostly was on a line with his brothers who were not that good.

He showed pretty clearly that at best he was going to be a 3C and he ended up being a rotational 4th liner. Pretty median outcome for a guy like that. The one game gave people hope there was top 6 offense in there but there never really was, none of his offensive tools were all that good.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

He showed pretty clearly that at best he was going to be a 3C and he ended up being a rotational 4th liner. Pretty median outcome for a guy like that. The one game gave people hope there was top 6 offense in there but there never really was, none of his offensive tools were all that good.

Maybe some fans got over the top hype from that game, but I think plenty of more rational fans saw it for what it was even at that very moment: an awesome game and a great moment for the kid.

What he could become, I hoped he would become a regular sooner and with us. It is a little bit disappointing to see what Norris has become while he looked worse than Poehling at various points in time while Poehling couldn't achieve anywhere close to that level of success.

Aside from over the top fans, which we will always have in healthy numbers, I don't think everyone was going insane with Poehling.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

He showed pretty clearly that at best he was going to be a 3C and he ended up being a rotational 4th liner. Pretty median outcome for a guy like that. The one game gave people hope there was top 6 offense in there but there never really was, none of his offensive tools were all that good.

I think there was potential to be a low end 2nd liner but by the end of his 1st season it was looking more and more unlikely.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Maybe some fans got over the top hype from that game, but I think plenty of more rational fans saw it for what it was even at that very moment: an awesome game and a great moment for the kid.

What he could become, I hoped he would become a regular sooner and with us. It is a little bit disappointing to see what Norris has become while he looked worse than Poehling at various points in time while Poehling couldn't achieve anywhere close to that level of success.

Aside from over the top fans, which we will always have in healthy numbers, I don't think everyone was going insane with Poehling.

Well, he got voted over Suzuki in our prospect pool polls, so there was some insane hype on him for a time.

I think there was potential to be a low end 2nd liner but by the end of his 1st season it was looking more and more unlikely.

We all know how I felt about Poehling at the draft - I know some people felt that way. I wish MB would have moved him in that ROR proposal in hindsight.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Well, he got voted over Suzuki in our prospect pool polls, so there was some insane hype on him for a time.



We all know how I felt about Poehling at the draft - I know some people felt that way. I wish MB would have moved him in that ROR proposal in hindsight.

Suzuki was not expected to be all that good at that time either. Probably should have been ahead of Poehling but not significantly.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Suzuki was not expected to be all that good at that time either. Probably should have been ahead of Poehling but not significantly.

13th overall pick who was legitimately torching the OHL - yeah he should have been an easy win over Poehling. He just had a tepid WJC while Poehling had a couple big games. Unless its Mesar, this board has a tendency to put way more value in the WJCs than league play and larger sample sizes.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Considering Subban was never good defensively I still think Hutson will have a better career.

Subban had the size and physicality that Hutson will never possess. At the start of his NHL career, Subban was a physical, intimidating force who could control opponents along the boards or box them out in front of the net. He rarely lost puck battles and could deliver devastating open ice hits. Who could forget Subban nearly separating Marchand from his soul:



Regrettably, Subban made the decision to bulk up his body which robbed him of his quickness, end to end speed and offensive effectiveness. His legacy would have been much more impactful but for that decision. Probably would still be playing today.