Confirmed Trade: [LAK/WPG] Pierre-Luc Dubois (signs 8 years, $8.5M AAV) for Gabe Vilardi, Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kupari, 2024 2nd round pick

[funky]

I think valardi has the potential to be better than PLD long term. And Iafaliol, you win with guys like him in the playoffs. Unless Helleybuck is included, the king's get hosed.

You have to know a cup situation on our roster before you comment. We have another player like Iafallo that just got signed for the same type of contract who is a bit younger with way better wheels with more scoring upside in Trevor Moore. He makes Iafallo redundant.

I can easily say that PLD was on pace for 90 points before his injury last year, and I believe he has higher upside than Vilardi.

We won’t know for a couple years on how this trade turns out so at this point nobody loses.

PLD provides a 60 to 80 point player with size, speed, and has been proven track record. He just turned 25 and bridges the gap between Kopitar and Byfield

Vilardi was used as a winger and we have another winner named Kaliyev that needs the minutes. Just like trading Durzi to open room for Clarke. The trade of Vilardi and Iafallo should open up space for Kaliyev.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

He's 26 years old. What do you think is more indicative of the player he is, the past 3 seasons or his first 2 seasons?

Whole body of work. and yes he is 26 which is the peak for most forwards. Before this thread when you thought 1C be honest he was not in your to 15 names easy. probably 25.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Not just Caufield. 8 contracts are thrown around like crazy to everyone coming off an ELC. Hard to argue someone with over 400 games experience isn't worth what guys with not even two full NHL seasons are getting.

Cap is also supposed to move up. Escrow will be paid off. Even with economic trends not looking good, inflation should carry things higher.

As soon as Horvat got $8.5m, that was PLD's target. Caufield's contract is fine too. It's below $8m and below players like Thomas, Stutzle, Kyrou, who are all making $8m+.

We'll see what Zegras signs for. He's RFA this year too.

RFA contracts are different, as you are paying through the players best years and somewhat paying for potential. By UFA that potential has generally been realized.

In PLD's case, he just turned 25. You're getting him though his prime of 25-32. There shouldn't be any kind of significant drop off in play.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Too bad, I wanted PLD on the Habs, but that price paid by Los Angeles is insane

Contrats Winnipeg

 

[Boonk]

Context spins. Habs leverage faded away when Brisson/Dubois opened up their list of teams to 5 or 6. Don't be so salty with your belittle narrative that is basically a spin on things. Different context before and after the news of Dubois being open to 5 or 6 teams.

Lets see how it plays out over the long haul. What you got vs the many different futures packages the Habs offered. Remember Caufield and 1st for Laine? You going to tell me Vilardi is better than Caufield now? Lets see how guys like Beck, Kidney, Barron, Mesar, Panthers 1st ends up

Not so fun when you have to deal with the shitpost behaviour now is it? Lol

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Bullet dodged from Habs POV as well. Cheers.

I think PLD is going to play to his full Lindros-lite potential in LA, and probably the next thing we'll hear from Montreal on the subject will be laughing at us for giving him away so cheap.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Alright so if a top 5 center in the entire league isn't a true 1C in your opinion then talking to you is an complete and utter waste of time

who is a top 5 c in your arguement? Zib? Come on. Oh yea you were the guy that was trying to tell me that the snow and cold in Toronto was far worst than Calgary.

 

[Atoyot]

Whole body of work. and yes he is 26 which is the peak for most forwards. Before this thread when you thought 1C be honest he was not in your to 15 names easy. probably 25.

A top 32 center in the league would be considered a 1C, no? I absolutely have him in my top 15 prior to the playoffs.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I think PLD is going to play to his full Lindros-lite potential in LA, and probably the next thing we'll hear from Montreal on the subject will be laughing at us for giving him away so cheap.

oh wow Lindros lite.

If that happens then yes we'll be laughing at you

 

[CorgisPer60]

Context spins. Habs leverage faded away when Brisson/Dubois opened up their list of teams to 5 or 6. Don't be so salty with your belittle narrative that is basically a spin on things. Different context before and after the news of Dubois being open to 5 or 6 teams.

Boy, sure sounds like the Habs didn't have as much leverage over a player they didn't have in their system as Habs fans thought they did. Who knew that a player could change their terms when they feel like they get a better deal in a more desirable situation.

I'm not salty at all about the fact that Habs fans thought they could get PLD for free if they just waited until he signed with them in free agency. Dvorak and Anderson? lol

 

[ole ole]

Not bad for a team that had no leverage, eh Habs fans?

There's always that one GM who is willing to overpay. I guess his name is Blake.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

who is a to 5 c in your arguement? Zib? Come on. Oh yea you were the guy that was trying to tell me that the snow and cold in Toronto was far worst than Calgary.

Huh? Im talking about Draisaitl. Zibanejad isn't a top 10 center

I don't live in Calgary and never have so I have no idea what you are talking about

 

[LemonSauceD]

personally, I think Dubois will be great in LA. Him and Fiala have the makings to be a nasty duo.

 

[MNRube]

Kopitar, Danault, Dubois, Byfield, Turcotte - am I forgetting any other LAK Cs?

 

[spot]

Good to hear it from person who really knows about cancers throughout their team.
How many of those you have in Edmonton?
Just asking.

You think you guys just for got better?

 

[FSL KINGS]

As soon as Horvat got $8.5m, that was PLD's target. Caufield's contract is fine too. It's below $8m and below players like Thomas, Stutzle, Kyrou, who are all making $8m+.

We'll see what Zegras signs for. He's RFA this year too.

RFA contracts are different, as you are paying through the players best years and somewhat paying for potential. By UFA that potential has generally been realized.

In PLD's case, he just turned 25. You're getting him though his prime of 25-32. There shouldn't be any kind of significant drop off in play.

Caufield is in line with what others are getting, just can't see giving these kids these contracts after 130 games.

Also think this is why Vilardi was moved. Have to see where his cap number comes in.

At some point you're better off with the more established player than prospects with these contracts.

Edit: I've gone full grouchy old dude.

 

[Bandit]

But that is not what people are saying.

“Vilardi is a ppg player”
“Vilardi has elite offensive skills”
“Vilardi has out produced PLD”

I’m saying it. Pretty sure you know I’m not a bot.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not so fun when you have to deal with the shitpost behaviour now is it? Lol

I'm good. I'm very comfortable with what I said all along. I was consistent. Jets fans are just going to be salty about it. It's clear and the character shows.

Good luck with the return. Hope it works out

 

[kinghock]

You think you guys just for got better?

I do

 

[MardyBum]

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I was hoping for the Habs to have that leverage but once Dubois opened up to 5 or 6 teams, it went away. Our message was consistent, we were interested but not desperate.

For the Kings and Jets. Hope it works out for both sides. All I will say is I will evaluate the futures packages towards what the Jets got but we can only do that in 3+ years when guys like Beck, Barron, Mesar, Kidney, and Panthers 1st is older. I guess we will see how bad or good the Habs offer was then.

Vilardi to me is like Newhook. Middle 6F types who do have room to grow. Vilardi vs Caufield? I think most take Caufield's goal scoring power

You don't know what or who was offered though if anyone outside likely the 1st traded for Newhook. Barron? Beck? Mesar? No one knows.

 

[ole ole]

Could the Kings win a SC with Kopitar-Danault-Lizotte- Kupari as the teams 4 centers this season?

Yes or no.

PLD won’t be asked to kill penalties, he will be asked to win exploitable matchups (likely with Fiala and Kaliyev) while Danault is now in a position where he is best suited (3C) checking the other teams top centers.

Kupari will be going the other way.
Must admit if this is the deal Jet fans will walk away laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[Schmooley]

Kopitar, Danault, Dubois, Byfield, Turcotte - am I forgetting any other LAK Cs?

Maclellan moved all those guys to wing. The only center left is Lizotte. Maclellan will quadruple shift him.

 

[McFly2544]

Am I missing something? Why does Dubois need to sign before getting traded? Once LA has him, could they not sign him to the 8 year deal?

 

[EK392000]

His father is really involved in the negotiations, so it will be a lot to sign him.

Yeah. If his father was so concerned about money, he could have just been better at hockey and made more during his career. Clearly lacks problem solving skills.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Boy, sure sounds like the Habs didn't have as much leverage over a player they didn't have in their system as Habs fans thought they did. Who knew that a player could change their terms when they feel like they get a better deal in a more desirable situation.

I'm not salty at all about the fact that Habs fans thought they could get PLD for free if they just waited until he signed with them in free agency. Dvorak and Anderson? lol

Already explained it in a previous post. Not repeating things because then posters get upset and it spins on and on.

Most Habs fans were consistent. We were interested but not desperate. It's a business and if there was leverage, we would have used it. Once Dubois opened up to 5 or 6 teams, the leverage was not there anymore. Reality. Trying to spin that is being salty IMO.