Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

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He's the president there, tho, not the GM. Coming here would be a downgrade.
If MLSE and Larry has any competence they’d have canned Shanny first and foremost and then there’d be zero roadblock. If there is any shot he’d come, pack Shannys bags now and hand the keys to McPhee
 
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If the video of Shanny's reacting to Dubas trading a first for Foligno is any indication...he probably stopped him from making really bad trades. Again, here we are with the "Muh..but...but he wasn't allowed to make the trades he wanted to" stuff with Dubas' vision. It's kind of like Communism...the current crop of Commies keep saying that "True Communism hasn't been tried yet...don't count China, Cuba and The Soviet Union...they didn't do it the correct way" they say.

If Dubas is pulling the "Expected Trades Won" card....I don't know what to say. The only caveat is if Dubas wanted to make the team tougher and Shanny was resistant to it...I am unsure on that one.
LOL that example of communism is perfect.
Probably the most amateurish thread on this forum, which says a lot. You'd think this guy touched you while you slept. Everyone from the owners down to the players failed. No one is exempt from blame. Meanwhile, you literally hate a guy and wish him hell in his life. Everyone got exactly what they wanted and you're still pissy children. Dubas and Keefe and Spezza will land somewhere and be fine. This team won't, and it'll be the same core next year failing again. You all enjoy misery and apparently drafting high more than actually winning anyway
Go take a hike bud.
 
Here is some information from The Athletic's James Mirtle regarding former Toronto Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas' future:

Given how complex the Leafs roster decisions are going to be this offseason, getting that GM hire right will be imperative. Without Dubas, the Leafs front office is low on experienced hands, and with so many currently in place contemplating their futures, the exodus could create even more uncertainty as the draft and free agency approach at the end of next month.

As for Dubas’ future, while he stated on Monday that he didn’t anticipate quickly relocating to a new role, the thinking around the league right now is that his views may change if he receives a significant offer in a role with full autonomy in the coming months. The situation in Ottawa, in particular, could be intriguing, with new, deep-pocketed ownership and a young roster on the rise.

A front office with the rival Senators that included Dubas as president and Spezza and Daniel Alfredsson in supporting roles would certainly make things interesting in the Atlantic Division.


Not that the Maple Leafs will need any help creating headlines at this point given the organizational upheaval that is going to continue to unfold this offseason.
James Mirtle, Kyle Dubas' other contract agent.............
 
Dubas and Matthews with same agent? I find it is interesting why media didn't report this before. It's like the Toronto media was working for Dubas
Having the same agency is a major difference than having the same agent, this really isn't anything to be concerned with.

If MLSE and Larry has any competence they’d have canned Shanny first and foremost and then there’d be zero roadblock. If there is any shot he’d come, pack Shannys bags now and hand the keys to McPhee
Not sure I really care for McPhee as a president. He was basically gifted a contender.
 
It's about commitment, communication and betrayal. If you're planning a wedding and your partner suddenly declares indirectly and publicly that they have serious doubts, then say everything is actually ok but here are some prenuptials maybe that would fundamentally alter the relationship.

Shanahan isn't blameless in this era of non success. You could argue that he should be on thin ice. I don't think he's on trial here for how he handled his situation. For me, he's the closest advocate for the organization itself in this crisis.

In this context Shanny as President should have done a better job imo getting a read on Dubas much earlier.

His statement about being caught off guard by what Dubas' had said I think is pretty telling that the two had pretty severe two way communication issues

It's Shannys job to make sure the front office was running smoothly - which clearly wasn't the case
 
In this context Shanny as President should have done a better job imo getting a read on Dubas much earlier.

His statement about being caught off guard by what Dubas' had said I think is pretty telling that the two had pretty severe two way communication issues

It's Shannys job to make sure the front office was running smoothly - which clearly wasn't the case
Or Dubas hid his true feelings till that "necessary" press conference. Shanny mentioned having multiple hour long convos about the team with Dubas. I think what happened here is Dubas got slighted by going into this year without an extension. And then when they came to him wanting to extend him he thought now I'm desired now I can play my hand. This whole thing was an elaborate play and Dubie was playing two sides of the coin. Two faced rat.
 
I mean think about it. If you wanted to take a break to work on family then you do that. You don't counter that pay me more money because all of a sudden the same family stress is going to magically go away

everyone has stress in their life 1) bills to pay, 2) some family members are not doing well (health), 3) your siblings' or their own marriage didn't last, 4) someone's kid is having issue, 5) someone lost their job, 6) mortgage payments just went up but income didn't, etc....

thats part of life. And I do sympathize with things that are out of our control and when unfortunate things happen I really do sympathize.

I mean everyone manages stress and relationships to the best of their ability. Although I can appreciate that your demanding job would make your own life a bit more tiring/stressful as you have to navigate personal and professional life. But if am not wrong, if it became too demanding then may be you will take a break from one i suppose you would be willing to take less pay to keep your family together and manage your own stress levels. I mean eventually we all go and all we have left are memories and life well lived; not how much money we made b/c 90% of the popualtion on the planet is never going to be filthy rich because we make the other 10% filthy rich as we collectively buy the stuff that thet other 10% sell always ;).

You wouldn't counter that hey give me more money because the stress that comes with your job isn't going away, it will still be there. Chances are that if you are getting paid more you are given more responsibility and you would spend even less time with your family.

Dubas' action of demanding more money IMO just shows that he was just using media to negotiate better deal for himself.

At least that is my 2 cents

Yeah, that is certainly a possibility, and it could have been something that left a bad taste in Shanahan's mouth as well.
 
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Or Dubas hid his true feelings till that "necessary" press conference. Shanny mentioned having multiple hour long convos about the team with Dubas. I think what happened here is Dubas got slighted by going into this year without an extension. And then when they came to him wanting to extend him he thought now I'm desired now I can play my hand. This whole thing was an elaborate play and Dubie was playing two sides of the coin. Two faced rat.

Id agree Dubas' definitely had a bigger chip on his shoulder about the extension than most assume.

But I'm not giving Shanny or ownership a pass here..there was always a major risk of something going wrong with no contract in place heading into May. Nothing is ever settled until a contract is signed with ink on paper.
 
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Or Dubas hid his true feelings till that "necessary" press conference. Shanny mentioned having multiple hour long convos about the team with Dubas. I think what happened here is Dubas got slighted by going into this year without an extension. And then when they came to him wanting to extend him he thought now I'm desired now I can play my hand. This whole thing was an elaborate play and Dubie was playing two sides of the coin. Two faced rat.
It doesn't really add up though, theres a better play to put him more in demand. Just say you love it here, your contract is expiring and may need to see your options, but this is home. Speculations will drive up dollars over night.

The whole "leveraging family for money" logic doesnt make any sense to me unless it was genuine.
 
It doesn't really add up though, theres a better play to put him more in demand. Just say you love it here, your contract is expiring and may need to see your options, but this is home. Speculations will drive up dollars over night.

The whole "leveraging family for money" logic doesnt make any sense to me unless it was genuine.
OK then you can say Dubas was wearing his heart on his sleeve if you want. I don't believe that for a second, but even if you do that shows a gross lack of professionalism while you're in the midst of a near completed contract negotiation. Dubas has always been tight with the media that's why so many of his soldiers are now writing fluff pieces.
 
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To be honest I think this is hockey gods finally having mercy on the Leafs Nation. Step 1 was always to get rid of dubas to have any sustained success and progress in the Leafs land.

Hockey gods finally intervened on Leafs Nation's behalf to right the ship.

seems like a cosmic hand came in to finally provide balance and give the conspirators theirs and pave path for the Leafs to move in the right direction FINALLY
yup, the worm has turned my friends..........
 
Id agree Dubas' definitely had a bigger chip on his shoulder about the extension than most assume.

But I'm not giving Shanny or ownership a pass here..there was always a major risk of something going wrong with no contract in place heading into May. Nothing is ever settled until a contract is signed with ink on paper.
That's fair. I'm just glad shanny had his eureka moment and envisioned this team under a different GM. Sometimes life can be serendipitous.
 
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Having the same agency is a major difference than having the same agent, this really isn't anything to be concerned with.


Not sure I really care for McPhee as a president. He was basically gifted a contender.
When was he gifted a contender?
 
Is Cassidy a future legend though ?
when you've been eating bugs, Kraft Dinner looks pretty good...........

When dubas' agent (Wasserman) presented Shanny with a new financial

Shanny would have thought, WTF. So it was always about money not about family.

And then....
wait for it....

Realized hey... Matthews is also represented by Wasserman.

We need to f***ing win in the playoffs and win the Cup. Somebody in this organization has to have a backbone and stand up to the STUPIDITY.

Good on Shanny for holding firm to his beliefs and showing balls that an executive should have if the goal is to win the cup here
was this Shanahan's aha moment...........
 
OK then you can say Dubas was wearing his heart on his sleeve if you want. I don't believe that for a second, but even if you do that shows a gross lack of professionalism while you're in the midst of a near completed contract negotiation. Dubas has always been tight with the media that's why so many of his soldiers are now writing fluff pieces.
We need to Dubas comment on the process to really know if it was unprofessional. Becaue being honest and transparent doesnt show a lack of professionalism.

Media and the GM have had good relationships throughout Shannys tenure. Whether it was Lou, Nonis, Hunter or Dubas, didnt seem to matter. The "fluff" pieces seem more about the general confusions of a firing off the most successful season in the past 15-20 years with an in demand GM.
 
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Brendan Shanahan just established himself as the Alpha male in the Leafs' organization.

He just gave Kyle Dubas and the whole World this message: "Don't screw around with me."

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