Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[57 Years No Cup]

I agree with the point and the excerpts. When someone sees something they find interesting, they will sometimes share it elsewhere on the internet in like minded discussions. Really weird response from you tbh

Share it but don't pretend that her opinion holds any more value than anyone else's because it doesn't.

 

[The Shrike]

It would be interesting to see the deals Dubas wanted to make that Shanahan blocked over the last several years. It appears autonomy was the deal breaker after all.

 

[Mess]

At the beginning of the year it was almost unanimous among Leaf fans when Shanny put Dubas on alert with a "prove it contract" and into a lame duck position that he would need playoff success to stay.

Then we saw in horror as Dubas hitched his future and Keefe's on a washed up and injury prone Matt Murray as being their answer to save their jobs.

While the Leafs did mercifully finally win a playoff round, going from 3 playoff wins to 5 in a single season, after nearly getting swept in round #2, that was a low bar of achievement and the Matt Murray decision blew up in his face (and still a problem on the books) as he was suppose to be the hero with Stanley Cup experience to save the day. When push came to shove he called on a rookie goalie to save the year.

So on merit and accountability and job performance Dubas should have been sent packing along with Keefe and very few fans would have disagreed with that decision from Shanny. Now we might have ended up at the same place and needed some last minute career sabotaging help from Dubas himself to help get Shanny over the firing line but to the very same spot, but were here now nonetheless. The end justifies the means, only the path taken a little less logical then one would have preferred.

Hopefully Shanahan has a contingency plan going forward and if he doesn't perhaps MLSE should ask him to pack his bags also & show him the door. Perhaps MLSE needs to witness a little chaos before cutting those ties but Shanny has certainly tossed himself into the fire, with all the mission critical and franchise direction changing potential decisions that need addressing in the near future.

 

[rumman]

probably wetting his pants waiting to be fired, oh the irony............

 

[TheDoldrums]

Share it but don't pretend that her opinion holds any more value than anyone else's because it doesn't.

you'll have to point to where I did that

 

[TorMapleJays]

Dubas and Matthews with same agent? I find it is interesting why media didn't report this before. It's like the Toronto media was working for Dubas

They would take away their press credentials if they challeneged the narrative.... they took a playbook from someone whos office is north from here.

 

[Racer88]

I applaud him for doing so
But really they should have extended him or moved on last summer

I wish they had moved on from him last year. At least we wouldn’t have wasted another year.
An entire off season and another trade deadline a the win a total of 2 more playoff games. That should be reason enough to fire him straight up now

 

[TorMapleJays]

A bunch of GMs just said Dubas was a great GM and a great hockey mind.

Lots of respect in the handshake line

 

[PromisedLand]

Turns out Dubas’ culture of entitlement started with himself.

Yup!!!!

An absolutely pathetic culture that ensued here it was obvious from the get go IMO

 

[Kaladin]

Here is some information from The Athletic's James Mirtle regarding former Toronto Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas' future:

Given how complex the Leafs roster decisions are going to be this offseason, getting that GM hire right will be imperative. Without Dubas, the Leafs front office is low on experienced hands, and with so many currently in place contemplating their futures, the exodus could create even more uncertainty as the draft and free agency approach at the end of next month.

I mean arguably even with Dubas the Leafs front office was low on experienced hands...

 

[ToneDog]

Lots of respect in the handshake line

GMs probably voted Dubas best GM to fleece like the player agents did.

 

[PromisedLand]

Boy, I appreciate Shannahan for providing detailed information and the timeline of the events. There seems to be feelings hurt both ways but if what Shannahan is saying is true, I think he handled this just find.

Kyle Dubas was brought from the Soo by Shanny and was given all the resources to develop under one of the best GMs to ever have managed. He was given his dream job and was given all the resources needed to do well. Despite a severe lack of playoff success, upon conclusion of the season the the organization still intended to bring him back. Kyle planted a seed of doubt on his commitment by playing the family card, and then when he did decide that he wants to continue on (which I believe he always wanted to do), he asked for more money to continue on.

I have no sources to back this up, but if I am to guess, Kyle knew that the free agency of Matthews and Nylander upcoming are enough to instill some panic within the organization with the need to show stability, and could be taken advantage off in order to negotiate a more attractive deal for himself, as I'm sure he's developed a strong relationship with these guys.

If anything, this doesn't paint a very classy exit for Dubas, but that's just my opinion.

Dubas' entire professional career can be summed up in two worlds 1) Nepotism and 2) Entitlement

don't believe me? just look at how dubas got the start at the soo to begin with

 

[7even]

It's about commitment, communication and betrayal. If you're planning a wedding and your partner suddenly declares indirectly and publicly that they have serious doubts, then say everything is actually ok but here are some prenuptials maybe that would fundamentally alter the relationship.

Shanahan isn't blameless in this era of non success. You could argue that he should be on thin ice. I don't think he's on trial here for how he handled his situation. For me, he's the closest advocate for the organization itself in this crisis.

But it's not a wedding, it's a business, and your partner isn't chosen based on whether they'll love you forever and ever amen, but on their ability to do a job. Was Kyle Dubas fired because he wasn't the right guy for the job, or because he was tactless in his contract negotiation, or the combination, or something else?

It just seems like there's a lot of soap opera-ing going on here, hubris, coup, power play, betrayal, too big for his britches, it's all very Days of Our Lives. To care about how Dubas treated Shanahan you first have to care about the internal backroom politics of a suit organization and then say this suited millionaire was wronged by that suited millionaire and it's so unfair of this suit to do this to that suit that there's nothing to do about it other than to fire him out of a cannon and find another suit who understands the importance of kissing the ring. I'm here for the hockey, boys. The proper fellating of Brendan Shanahan is relevant to Brendan Shanahan and exactly nobody else.

 

[Killswitch]

Probably the most amateurish thread on this forum, which says a lot. You'd think this guy touched you while you slept. Everyone from the owners down to the players failed. No one is exempt from blame. Meanwhile, you literally hate a guy and wish him hell in his life. Everyone got exactly what they wanted and you're still pissy children. Dubas and Keefe and Spezza will land somewhere and be fine. This team won't, and it'll be the same core next year failing again. You all enjoy misery and apparently drafting high more than actually winning anyway

 

[Trapper]

probably wetting his pants waiting to be fired, oh the irony............

Well to be fair, if I’m Keefe I’m asking Shanahan to make the decision asap so you can find another job.

 

[Racer88]

Who is "katie" and why would her opinion hold any value?

What Katie ignored was the bug ask from Dubas at the last minute when Shanny bit on his fake proclamation during his strange presser and still wanted to keep Dubas. That was a slap in the face that could not be ignored.
im no fan of Shanny but this whole fiasco is all Dubas’s doing

 

[57 Years No Cup]

But it's not a wedding, it's a business, and your partner isn't chosen based on whether they'll love you forever and ever amen, but on their ability to do a job. Was Kyle Dubas fired because he wasn't the right guy for the job, or because he was tactless in his contract negotiation, or the combination, or something else?

It just seems like there's a lot of soap opera-ing going on here, hubris, coup, power play, betrayal, too big for his britches, it's all very Days of Our Lives. To care about how Dubas treated Shanahan you first have to care about the internal backroom politics of a suit organization and then say this suited millionaire was wronged by that suited millionaire and it's so unfair of this suit to do this to that suit that there's nothing to do about it other than to fire him out of a cannon and find another suit who understands the importance of kissing the ring. I'm here for the hockey, boys. The proper fellating of Brendan Shanahan is relevant to Brendan Shanahan and exactly nobody else.

It's more like Daze of Our Leafs.

 

[nuck]

How does every other GM get 6% of the votes each when there was only 25 agents polled?

1/25 = 4%
2/25 = 8%

Don’t trust those results at all. Extremely small sample size and they can’t math.

Also, 29% of Dubas equals 7.25 agents.

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For years, fans could receive insight into the hockey world through reading various polls and surveys of players, coaches, management and media. However, it is rare to see the perspective of another key group whose thoughts and ideas have historically been less available – the Agents.

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That 29% just looks like a typo and should have been 28% but Puckpedia is lazy. Also it appears all 25 did not respond to every question hence the 6%

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Probably the most amateurish thread on this forum, which says a lot. You'd think this guy touched you while you slept. Everyone from the owners down to the players failed. No one is exempt from blame. Meanwhile, you literally hate a guy and wish him hell in his life. Everyone got exactly what they wanted and you're still pissy children. Dubas and Keefe and Spezza will land somewhere and be fine. This team won't, and it'll be the same core next year failing again. You all enjoy misery and apparently drafting high more than actually winning anyway

Signed,

Kyle's Mom.

 

[rumman]

Well to be fair, if I’m Keefe I’m asking Shanahan to make the decision asap so you can find another job.

'yeah, Sheldon, I'm deferring that to the new GM, it's probably on his to do list somewhere........

 

[Stephen]

But it's not a wedding, it's a business, and your partner isn't chosen based on whether they'll love you forever and ever amen, but on their ability to do a job. Was Kyle Dubas fired because he wasn't the right guy for the job, or because he was tactless in his contract negotiation, or the combination, or something else?

It just seems like there's a lot of soap opera-ing going on here, hubris, coup, power play, betrayal, too big for his britches, it's all very Days of Our Lives. To care about how Dubas treated Shanahan you first have to care about the internal backroom politics of a suit organization and then say this suited millionaire was wronged by that suited millionaire and it's so unfair of this suit to do this to that suit that there's nothing to do about it other than to fire him out of a cannon and find another suit who understands the importance of kissing the ring. I'm here for the hockey, boys. The proper fellating of Brendan Shanahan is relevant to Brendan Shanahan and exactly nobody else.

In the end, Shanahan gave the shive to Dubas. No doubt he was political, but also the closest advocate for the Leafs as an organization in the middle of all this.

To use a Godfather reference to summarize how we got here, Dubas was Fredo making power moves to climb the family ladder to Shanahan's Michael. Never go against the family and you know the rest.

 

[PromisedLand]

It sounds like Shannahan did not like what he heard from Kyle Dubas at the press conference.

I sympathize with a lot of what Kyle said, but Shannahan does have something of a point in that you probably can't have a guy at the helm of a ship who doesn't appear to really want to be there. I like that Kyle is open about the pressures of the job, but you ultimately need someone to steward the team who won't be encumbered by a public bout of burnout.

This strikes me as a story where we may never have the complete details, at least not so long as Shannahan and Dubas continue to pursue executive positions in professional sports. Both guys are savvy enough to keep it clean.

Not sure what to think beyond that.

if you want to sympathize then sympathize with the people lining up outside the foodbanks b/c they can't afford normal groceries.

sympathizing with dubas? for what? did someone put a gun to dubas' head and said take the job or we'll end your life? or did dubas chose it of his own volition

NOBODY is forced to take the job (athletes, celebs, etc.) that is in the public eye. they are also well compensated for it too.

Dubas got what he deserved.

but more importantly, the Leafs Nation gets what they deserve. Accountability, Fresh Start and FINALLY taking steps towards doing the right things

 

[Trapper]

'yeah, Sheldon, I'm deferring that to the new GM, it's probably on his to do list somewhere........

KYYYYYLE!!!!!

 

[ToneDog]

'yeah, Sheldon, I'm deferring that to the new GM, it's probably on his to do list somewhere........

Could have turfed him for Cassidy last year, now we probably turf him for somebody not a good. Thanks Kyle.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Could have turfed him for Cassidy last year, now we probably turf him for somebody not a good. Thanks Kyle.

Is Cassidy a future legend though ?